Cairne Bloodhoof vs Grommash Hellscream (3/3/0)

[DaReaperMan]

Oh boy

Start 5 meters away on the very top of Onigashima

Both 7-A

Cairne Bloodhoof: 3

Grommash Hellscream: 3

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Dragonstitch]

how strong is Cata era Garrosh compared to WC3 Grommash?

 

[DaReaperMan]

how strong is Cata era Garrosh compared to WC3 Grommash?

Pretty much even, if there's a big difference in their scaling, I'm unaware of it.

And you'd hope I'd be aware if there was cause I made the dang files, though Grommash is easy to argue being stronger admittedly

 

[Dragonstitch]

I think this is a hard choice. since they are both close in skill, Cairne has more experience, Grommash might have a slight AP Advantage, and should be immune to war stomp's stunning effect. To be honestly i could see this going either way,

 

[DaReaperMan]

I think this is a hard choice. since they are both close in skill, Cairne has more experience, Grommash might have a slight AP Advantage, and should be immune to war stomp's stunning effect. To be honestly i could see this going either way,

Change that slight AP advantage into a major one, cause it depends on how you take Mannoroth knocking Thrall out in one hit

Mannoroth did so by hitting the ground which split, which knocked Thrall into a rock wall which knocked him out, so might not scale to him

 

[Dragonstitch]

Okay if there is a major AP advantage than i am voting for Grommash. since with every other stat being pretty even that AP advantage would push it in Grommash's favor.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Okay if there is a major AP advantage than i am voting for Grommash. since with every other stat being pretty even that AP advantage would push it in Grommash's favor.

Thing is, like I said, it's iffy

But yeah if Grommash even 1% of the time scales above Cairne he pretty much wins

 

[Dragonstitch]

Thinking on it i might vote inconclusive, since if Grommosh is equal to cata Garrosh I could see Cairne taking it since from what i remember garrosh's poisoned weapon was one of main the reasons he even managed to beat Cairne in the first place. But if Grommosh is stronger than Cata Garrosh he would take it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Thinking on it i might vote inconclusive, since if Grommosh is equal to cata Garrosh I could see Cairne taking it since from what i remember garrosh's poisoned weapon was one of main the reasons he even managed to beat Cairne in the first place. But if Grommosh is stronger than Cata Garrosh he would take it.

The main issue with Garrosh vs Cairne is that Garrosh had pretty much JUST gotten Gorehowl, so he's going from two one-handed to a single two-handed axe when fighting someone who's been using his weapon in combat for the better part of a century

 

[noisyPitta]

Man this is tough. I'd love to be able to vote Cairne based just on personal bias, but it's not that easy. I'll have to think about this one.

 

[Dragonstitch]

Also i forgot Garrosh was underestimating Cairne for the first few attacks as well.

 

[Soulgizmo]

It may just come down to who has better reach

 

[DaReaperMan]

It may just come down to who has better reach

If so... Cairne is 10 feet tall. He has better reach by quite a bit

 

[Peppersalt43]

So uh, why is Kaido listed on the tags?

 

[noisyPitta]

After thinking about this for a while, I think that Cairne takes it. As mentioned earlier, he is 10ft tall and his weapon of choice is a spear/halberd, so he comfortably out-ranges Grommash, who really needs to get in close to get any substantial hits in. Cairne is also twice Grom's age, having far more combat experience and (what I believe to be) a better battle IQ, as well as being accustomed to the wild, beserking fighting style Grommash fights with considering his war/s with the centaur who, despite being physically very different than orcs, have a similar aggressive approach to melee combat.

I do think it would be a good fight though, Cairne would definitely be pushed by this but I think he wins this.

 

[DaReaperMan]

After thinking about this for a while, I think that Cairne takes it. As mentioned earlier, he is 10ft tall and his weapon of choice is a spear/halberd, so he comfortably out-ranges Grommash, who really needs to get in close to get any substantial hits in. Cairne is also twice Grom's age, having far more combat experience and (what I believe to be) a better battle IQ, as well as being accustomed to the wild, beserking fighting style Grommash fights with considering his war/s with the centaur who, despite being physically very different than orcs, have a similar aggressive approach to melee combat.

I do think it would be a good fight though, Cairne would definitely be pushed by this but I think he wins this.

To argue for Grommash, he's arguably more skilled, is faster on foot, and could likely pull a Garrosh and Shatter the Runespear, leaving Cairne without his primary weapon facing someone who's far more brutal and ruthless then he

 

[Soulgizmo]

This sounds more and more like either a double ko. Whoever gets the w is probably going down shortly after. I think the points favor cairne for the initial win in this case. His overall greater bulk allowing him to survive a mortal wound if only to finish gromm off.

 

[noisyPitta]

he's arguably more skilled

I already set out my argument and am voting Cairne

 

[DaReaperMan]

I already set out my argument and am voting Cairne

I mean it's easy to argue why

Cairne's best skill feat is beating the **** out of a Garrosh who got Gorehowl days earlier.

Grommash's best skill feat is making armies look like they're no issue repeatedly and being a general badass in 1 on 1s

 

[Soulgizmo]

Gromm should be comparable to garrosh still?

 

[noisyPitta]

Cairne's best skill feat is beating the **** out of a Garrosh who got Gorehowl days earlier.

So we're just ignoring the fact that Cairne has been leading his people in a war against the centaur for ~70 years, in which the centaur outnumber them and hold more lands and yet he keeps his people alive? Surely he must have been in hundreds of battles both as a leader/strategist and a warrior on the field.

Also

being a general badass

is pretty subjective and is not at all proof of anything

 

[DaReaperMan]

So we're just ignoring the fact that Cairne has been leading his people in a war against the centaur for ~70 years, in which the centaur outnumber them and hold more lands and yet he keeps his people alive? Surely he must have been in hundreds of battles both as a leader/strategist and a warrior on the field.

Also

is pretty subjective and is not at all proof of anything

And he probably out-APs them too. Plus Tactics and strategy being good is common among legends like Cairne. That's not pure skill-*******.

I know it isn't,

 

[Soulgizmo]

Bump

 

[Soulgizmo]

Bump

 

[DaReaperMan]

Gromm should be comparable to garrosh still?

Grom like, straight up has better feats.

Garrosh lost to Varian who has army solos where Grom just has army solos

 

[Peppersalt43]

So just in case, have you all come into a conclusion yet or are you still discussing it?

 

[Soulgizmo]

Gromm should win high dif

 

[noisyPitta]

So just in case, have you all come into a conclusion yet or are you still discussing it?

So far its 1 vote Cairne 1 vote Grom

 

[Peppersalt43]

Oh well, I guess I'll break the tie

Grom FRA

 

[Peppersalt43]

Anyway, bump

 

[SomaKing13]

Honestly, I think the biggest thing in Grom's favour in this fight that will turn the tide compared to Garrosh, is his mirror image ability, they can't actually do anything obviously but they can provide just enough breathing room and distraction for Grom to get the win.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Honestly, I think the biggest thing in Grom's favour in this fight that will turn the tide compared to Garrosh, is his mirror image ability, they can't actually do anything obviously but they can provide just enough breathing room and distraction for Grom to get the win.

That a vote for Grom?

 

[SomaKing13]

That a vote for Grom?

yessir

 

[DaReaperMan]

Kk, counted

Reaper when he makes WC3 folks choose between 2 Warcraft 3 fan favorites in a versus thread

 

[SomaKing13]

Kk, counted

Reaper when he makes WC3 folks choose between 2 Warcraft 3 fan favorites in a versus thread

You have no idea how much that was explicitly why I looked in on this match

 

[DaReaperMan]

LMFAO

Now if only Uther had a page and wasn't stalled to hell and back because Cosmology lol

 

[DaReaperMan]

Bump

 

[noninho]

Poor Cairne
Grommash FRA

 

[Peppersalt43]

Cool

 

[Peppersalt43]

Pretty sure we just need 3 more votes to grace now