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Bugs Bunny at its peak vs Kratos

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Planck69 said:
Kratos has layered time magic, he's fine on that end. And Kratos can kill him because Bugs can't come back from conceptual destruction so any regeneration negation or resistance to it isn't relevant.

Why wouldn't he? He can power null outright reality warpers. Olympians themselves have passive limited reality warping.
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Probably cause it's toon force? I mean sure Kratos probably has text manip or smth but on a fundamental part I'm pretty sure these two things are different. You know, when it stems off like toon force in the first place that we're talking about here and plot, if Kratos could counter immersion and dimensional manip which is what I'd be interested in then I'd like to see those as that'd generally be the deciding factor
 
Voidnether said:
Probably cause it's toon force? I mean sure Kratos probably has text manip or smth but on a fundamental part I'm pretty sure these two things are different. You know, when it stems off like toon force in the first place that we're talking about here and plot, if Kratos could counter immersion and dimensional manip which is what I'd be interested in then I'd like to see those as that'd generally be the deciding factor
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Just because a power stems from something doesn't mean that it would automatically be unaffected or supersede anything without that property. By that logic, Bugs can't do anything to Kratos because a concept permeates his entire being and Bugs can't affect those.

Toon Force has its showcases and abilities, and just having it doesn't mean you're functionally unbeatable. The plot manipulation itself also depends on how Bugs actually uses it, hence me asking for his opening move, cause he actually can perma-kill Kratos with it.
 
Planck69 said:
Just because a power stems from something doesn't mean that it would automatically be unaffected or supersede anything without that property. By that logic, Bugs can't do anything to Kratos because a concept permeates his entire being and Bugs can't affect those.

Toon Force has its showcases and abilities, and just having it doesn't mean you're functionally unbeatable. The plot manipulation itself also depends on how Bugs actually uses it, hence me asking for his opening move, cause he actually can perma-kill Kratos with it.
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Yeah that makes a lot more sense then, Bugs opening move is immersion anyway and the offensive move is just whatever ability he feels like using instead of being limited to like his standard tactics. If it's really about Kratos conceptual invul and Kratos itself can't affect Bugs whilst Bugs has immersion + dimensional manip that prevents Kratos from killing him in the first place I feel like I'd lean towards incon at best here
 
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Voidnether said:
Yeah that makes a lot more sense then, Bugs opening move is immersion anyway and the offensive move is just whatever ability he feels like using instead of being limited to like his standard tactics. If it's really about Kratos conceptual invul and Kratos itself can't affect Bugs whilst Bugs has immersion + dimensional manip that prevents Kratos from killing him in the first place I feel like I'd lean towards incon at best here
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Kratos's concept invul is becoming resistance soon, but it's functional the exact same anyways, since he has several new means and will scale to 10 layers once a CRT is applied tomorrow.

That changes functionally nothing here since both have moves that can insta kill each other though.

Voting incon for now.
 
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Most of Kratos's match relevant additions have been made. He currently has Type 2 information and Type 1 concept manipulation and resistance of up to 10 layers. My vote is unchanged though.
 
I suppose. It's basically an incon. Both have moves that instantly kill the other.
 
Planck69 said:
And Kratos has Type 1 concept manipulation, something Bugs also doesn't resist. And several ways to win immediately like power nullification.
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As far as I remember, High-Tier Toon has powernull resistance. But regarding Concept Manipulation Type 1... (hmm... also the problem is Bugs doesn't use plot manipulation at the beginning.)
 
Thanganimator said:
As far as I remember, High-Tier Toon has powernull resistance. But regarding Concept Manipulation Type 1... (hmm... also the problem is Bugs doesn't use plot manipulation at the beginning.)
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Kratos has 10 layers of power nullification.
 
hmmm ..I wonder if, when Wabbit is in the animator’s world, Kratos can still affect him or not.
 
Tank1418 said:
hmmm ..I wonder if, when Wabbit is in the animator’s world, Kratos can still affect him or not.
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Why not? Kratos has greater than baseline Low 1-C range with the power of the Fates. And this assumes he goes there before Kratos uses any of his hax.
 
Planck69 said:
Why not? Kratos has greater than baseline Low 1-C range with the power of the Fates. And this assumes he goes there before Kratos uses any of his hax.
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If explained simply, the Animator’s World is a realm that exists beyond the normal 5D time of Looney Tunes, and it appears that one needs some kind of meta-related ability to perceive and access it.
 
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Tank1418 said:
If explained simply, the Animator’s World is a realm that exists beyond the normal 5D space of Looney Tunes, and it appears that one needs some kind of meta-related ability to perceive and access it.
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I mean, again. Kratos can jump between 5-D timelines at will. That's also above baseline significantly.

And even then, Kratos can just kill Bugs before this happens.
 
Planck69 said:
I mean, again. Kratos can jump between 5-D timelines at will. That's also above baseline significantly.

And even then, Kratos can just kill Bugs before this happens.
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Dude, Bugs can read the script to see what’s going to happen in that episode, and he can even end the show whenever he wants.
 
Tank1418 said:
Dude, Bugs can read the script to see what’s going to happen in that episode, and he can even end the show whenever he wants.
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And he's doing this before Kratos power nulls on a whim, or just stops time and then oneshots or anything else? Does he even open with that?
 
If it’s a normal opponent, he’ll just mess around with them and wait for the episode to end at its usual time. But if he faces an opponent who can actually harm him and has power comparable to the animator, he’ll use those abilities. However, the thread specifies “Bugs Bunny at its peak vs Kratos,” so I think it would go something like that.
 
Tank1418 said:
If it’s a normal opponent, he’ll just mess around with them and wait for the episode to end at its usual time. But if he faces an opponent who can actually harm him and has power comparable to the animator, he’ll use those abilities. However, the thread specifies “Bugs Bunny at its peak vs Kratos,” so I think it would go something like that.
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He doesn't know who Kratos is initially though. And even if he did, that just means they both take each other out at the same time.
 
Thanganimator said:
I thought Bugs would stomp on Kratos, but well, I overestimated the cartoons.
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Kratos inconned a character with passive plot hax before he got the oceans of upgrades he has rn.

It's moreso that people just overhype plot hax a lot.
 
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