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Chaos Control doesn't come from the special zonethe special zones are bfr not sealing
i know, i was just saying that chaos control should not help him get out of sealing cause from what i remembered the special stages were the closest feat i can remember that would be counted as sealingChaos Control doesn't come from the special zone
In Rivals 2 Shadow could teleport out of a closed dimension, teleporting out of a painting should be easy then, there's different types of sealing, but in this case since it doesn't null them he should be finei know, i was just saying that chaos control should not help him get out of sealing cause from what i remembered the special stages were the closest feat i can remember that would be counted as sealing
How so? Does Bowser's null it? You aren't providing evidence to your claims, unlike usking boo just innately has sealing that is yes different than bowsers own cause bowers is power star based
You're confusing two completely different instances. Sonic going out of special stages isn't sealing, but rather just pesudo resistance to BFR, as the special stages are seperate universes. And two, the emeralds are what got Sonic out of the special stages, so Super Sonic, who is powered by all seven of them, should be just as capable of replicating said feats.i know, i was just saying that chaos control should not help him get out of sealing cause from what i remembered the special stages were the closest feat i can remember that would be counted as sealing
because in mario the toads that have power stars and know how to use them, the same power stars that can break seals he placed on doors and should be able to break the ones they have, they cant they just straight up cannotHow so? Does Bowser's null it? You aren't providing evidence to your claims, unlike us
If you suggest that Sonic escapes BFR by breaking the thing sealing him then you're sadly mistaken.because in mario the toads that have power stars and know how to use them, the same power stars that can break seals he placed on doors and should be able to break the ones they have, they cant they just straight up cannot
This point doesn't work because Mario himself doesn't free them after getting their stars, but only after beating Bowser, even though he can break the other seals, it seems more like PIS then.who should be able to once again unseal himself and others, but they cant even though they should be able to, and this is not the only media where we see toads are able to use power stars
If you suggest that Sonic escapes BFR by breaking the thing sealing him then you're sadly mistaken.
Sonic isn't breaking anything. He's teleporting out of the thing sealing him
i will once the guy concedesOP, I feel like you should remove the FRA unless more reasoning comes, since they were based on "seal" gg even though that is being proved to not work by itself, it seems like insuficient reasoning
1.Yeah the stars arent nulled because they were given to mario, because the toads themselves could not use them due to the sealingThis is just points I talked about in my last post, nothing on what you posted would even imply they are nulled when:
1: The stars they give are perfectly fine and not nulled
2: They can move and talk
From what you showed me in order to break the seal Mario has to use the stars on the door, which the Toads can't, meanwhile Sonic can use chaos control without moving
Except there is no proof that the star gained it's power back after being given to Mario, it's far more likely it didn't lose it's power ever, since your only proof is "they didn't use them" even though Mario didn't free them either, or they didn't use them because they couldn't move to the doors, your argument relies on "what if" without evidence, like, I could just say the Toads simply don't know how to use the stars, which is why they would wait for Mario, afterall there are plenty of fodder Toads1.Yeah the stars arent nulled because they were given to mario, because the toads themselves could not use them due to the sealing
Yes it does, people who are nulled usually can't move or act, and especially not give items to others2. that means nothing
You didn't read half of my post, Mario didn't even break their seals, someone who could actually do it, this isn't a point, just a oversightYes, they cant cause they cant use the power stars to break out of their own seal, then they could go and do that, that doesnt mean anything in this case sonic just up and cant use his powers
counted, been waiting for ur response.Ugh, you aren't pulling a fast one, User.
First I would like to bring up ap. Bowser at the very least has his Jumbo Star, meaning that starry sky ap is one-shot level, as he's 80x above starry sky level. Bowser flicks Sonic and it's over.
Second, sealing. While Sonic has dimensional travel, Bowser bypasses this. Power Stars have this same ability (displayed anytime you exit a level, as there's no portal to leave). In order to bypass said sealing, you'd need much much better resistance negation. This is displayed anytime Mario is forced to gain more Power Stars for more stages. Otherwise he laughs at you for having a lack of Power Stars. Sonic cannot bypass this. While the sealing itself is off-screen, Bowser has easy methods to bring this up-close, due to items in MP.
Sonic's bigger abilities such as time stop are nulled here due to his resistance via the Star Rod, his "resistance negation" won't due much since Mario's Stop Watch bypasses his own resistance to it via Superguard. He's resisting Ring Time. He's resisting Void Manipulation.
Bowser can also steal items forcefully, from yet again MP. In-fact, his wish granting is done thought based, so he can wish stuff like making Sonic go away, seal him again. Perception manipulation slows down Sonic a lot, allowing Bowser to just dig in and easily hit Sonic. Doesn't help that Bowser can also duplicate himself, and they won't be going away due to the invulnerability.
There's also his transmutation which is done with "a blink of an eye".
Bowser FRA.
Don't expect me to respond often, I dislike this wiki as is, I'll made few exceptions at best.counted, been waiting for ur response.
i can understand that tbh.Don't expect me to respond often, I dislike this wiki as is, I'll made few exceptions at best.
According to Blaze in the post above Bowser has dimensional travel, so that isn't a wincon if he is right, probability manip only makes his attacks more likely to hit their enemy, which wouldn't help if he has no wincons, only life force is a wincon there, that is if what he argued is on the pagealso i still dont think this is a stomp cuz bowser doesn't seem to resist bfr which sonic has, sonic also has probability manip which bowser doesn't resist as well
sonic also has life force absorption so that's a wincon aswell since bowser doesn't resist
;-;Anybody else here consistently hate Spood's matches?
The 80x amp is legit (I don't think anyone realized this prior), although iirc, didn't someone say it actually takes 300+ times above starry sky to even be 4-A+ in the blog itself?I am just going to reply tommorow, except for one question, is this on his page? Because as Ned said 80x starry skies is 3-C.
life force absorption is on sonics pageAccording to Blaze in the post above Bowser has dimensional travel, so that isn't a wincon if he is right, probability manip only makes his attacks more likely to hit their enemy, which wouldn't help if he has no wincons, only life force is a wincon there, that is if what he argued is on the page
Faultiest logic I've ever read and doesn't change that this is a stomp.i mean its still a wincon
If it's a wincon that people say is not in character for Sonic then does that really matter?i mean its still a wincon