Boruto (Two Blue Vortex) Versus Mira Yoo

[Shadowbokunohero]

Boruto has to pick up the slack because Code is a failure

• Speed is equalized
• Two Blue Vortex Boruto is being used.
• Ragnarok Mira is being used
• Boruto scales above 10.14 Zettatons and 642 zettatons with uzuhiko
• Mira scales above 7.25 Zettatons
• SBA otherwise

 

[DavidTPPM]

So here are my initial thoughts:
Boruto has:

• a one shot opportunity with Uzuhiko. A charged Uzuhiko can easily one shot Mira with an almost 100x AP difference, same way it basically erased Hidari despite not being fully charged
• a large mobility advantage as he can not only fly but also teleport with his pseudo-FTG
• far larger moveset with several lightning, wind, and water techniques, which include omnidirectional options as well as paralysis and limited dura neg
• much better long range options with shurikens, vanishing rasengan, etc

Mira on the other hand has:

• a very notable skill advantage as well as superior weapons that can be summoned at will
• a really fast reactive evolution allowing her to instantly bridge any gap between their physicals and eventually even grant her higher stats
• far better reaction speed, instinctive reactions, and analytical prediction, allowing her to keep up with teleportation and intercept MFTL+ characters while she's only MHS+
• superior durability negation options which she uses in tandem with her intelligence and skill to land surprising last moment one shots

I find it unlikely that Mira would let Boruto charge up Uzuhiko and even if he did charge it up, unlike a sword a rasengan has a much smaller range meaning hitting Mira would be nigh impossible. He'd need to distract her which is also super difficult given Mira can keep up with teleportation using smell alone.

On the other hand, even when Mira does outskill Boruto he can potentially blast her away same way he did with Mamushi. Miras only option would be to predict the attack and sacrifice her offensive advantage to either block or dodge.

This makes it unlikely either of them are going to end the right quickly. And the fight being prolonged would allow Miras AD to outgrow Borutos stats.
So I'm not going to vote yet but I'm leaning more towards Mira unless someone makes arguments for Boruto

 

[karo_senpaii]

Boruto and his chakra has resistance to ESP so I don't think she can use smell to sense his teleportation and all. Also boruto doesn't need to charge. Uzuhiko here. Just wrap himself with it and it would be a repeat of code fight. Unless Mira internals are as strong as her the energy entering her is turning her to paste. If her internals are that strong she's still going to be down and out of commission like code considering she's weaker. Boruto can simply finish her off or wait. So like her only strategy which is to dodge continuously just ends the moment she even blocks or tries to hit boruto

 

[DavidTPPM]

Boruto and his chakra has resistance to ESP so I don't think she can use smell to sense his teleportation and all.

Boruto resisting ESP doesn't change the fact that he didn't have a proper shower in 3 years.

Also boruto doesn't need to charge. Uzuhiko here. Just wrap himself with it and it would be a repeat of code fight. Unless Mira internals are as strong as her the energy entering her is turning her to paste. If her internals are that strong she's still going to be down and out of commission like code considering she's weaker.

The part of Uzuhiko that just wraps around you doesn't do damage, it just causes vertigo which a far less skilled Mira could already fight with.

And it certainly doesn't cause internal damage because it's canonically impossible to strengthen your organs in Naruto which would make Code instantly die.

Boruto can simply finish her off or wait. So like her only strategy which is to dodge continuously just ends the moment she even blocks or tries to hit boruto

It's not that simple. Boruto has only been shown to be able to put the pre-effect of Uzuhiko on people through prolonged physical contact such as Code holding his arm for several seconds. This is probably why he hasn't even thought of using it on actual comparable foes like the shinju

Miras fighting style hard counters this. She mainly focuses on dodging and quick sword strokes into the opponents weak points so there won't be physical contact for Boruto to coil Uzuhiko on her. She's also insanely smart so if she saw Boruto surrounded by an aura that tries to travel through her sword during contact she'll avoid touching Boruto for too long. So not only can she still fight efficiently with the coil but even getting it on her would be insanely difficult

 

[karo_senpaii]

Boruto resisting ESP doesn't change the fact that he didn't have a proper shower in 3 years.

The part of Uzuhiko that just wraps around you doesn't do damage, it just causes vertigo which a far less skilled Mira could already fight with.

And it certainly doesn't cause internal damage because it's canonically impossible to strengthen your organs in Naruto which would make Code instantly die.

It's not that simple. Boruto has only been shown to be able to put the pre-effect of Uzuhiko on people through prolonged physical contact such as Code holding his arm for several seconds. This is probably why he hasn't even thought of using it on actual comparable foes like the shinju

Miras fighting style hard counters this. She mainly focuses on dodging and quick sword strokes into the opponents weak points so there won't be physical contact for Boruto to coil Uzuhiko on her. She's also insanely smart so if she saw Boruto surrounded by an aura that tries to travel through her sword during contact she'll avoid touching Boruto for too long. So not only can she still fight efficiently with the coil but even getting it on her would be insanely difficult

1. Bro common.. KK got acess to hideouts, he got showers.
2. I didn't say it does damage. Though my memory of Goh is not 100% but where did mira overcome vertigo effect that disturbs your sense of balance based on planetary rotation. And the effect itself works on boruto , making him very hard to touch.
3. Kakashi statement? He's not even close to the most knowledgeable character, not to mention you can streghten them with chakra. He's talking about actual training of your organs. Kn6 Naruto already tanked internal damage, not to mention code is a cyborg and not a shinobi. I can go on and on. Boruto was even suprised code was still standing. I can also remind you a standard rasengan does internal damage , the only reason it's not duraneg is because it needs to bypass your durability at least a little to inflict the internal damage, which is a given considered boruto ap is a bit higher.

4. For too long doesn't work here. Any contact and uzuhiko wraps, just like code. Thing is uzuhiko is wrapped around boruto. So for Mira to attack boruto weak points she has to bypass uzuhiko , I don't see how she avoid contact. Heck I don't see how she breaks through

 

[DavidTPPM]

1. Bro common.. KK got acess to hideouts, he got showers.

My point was that resisting chakra sensory has nothing to do with resisting whether or not someone can smell you
Also I doubt Boruto wasted precious training time showering

2. I didn't say it does damage.

You said it'd turn her into paste. Idk how else to interpret that ngl.

Though my memory of Goh is not 100% but where did mira overcome vertigo effect that disturbs your sense of balance based on planetary rotation. And the effect itself works on boruto , making him very hard to touch.

It's mentioned in Miras profile in the anapre section. When Mira fought the swimmer guy in part 2 his teammate was using sound waves to give her vertigo
And the method (planetary rotation) doesn't really matter here. The end result is what Mira has to manage.

3. Kakashi statement? He's not even close to the most knowledgeable character, not to mention you can streghten them with chakra.

It's never said you can strengthen them with chakra, and the statement is made in reference to gentle fist bypassing durability.
This concept is kept consistent in Boruto where god tiers like fused Momoshiki still use gentle fist style organ strikes, and when a 3 year old kid KOes adult Naruto.

My point is that your organs being an extra weak spot is the fundamental building block of an entire fighting style which is considered the strongest in the village and even used by Otsutsukis, with no actual evidence that Code strengthens his organs or that Uzuhiko even damages organs in some unorthodox way.

Kn6 Naruto already tanked internal damage,

? I not only don't remember that but kn6 has OP regen sooo

not to mention code is a cyborg and not a shinobi.

And how does that strengthen his organs exactly?

I can go on and on. Boruto was even suprised code was still standing.

Yeah standing, not alive. Boruto was purposely keeping him alive so he can take him to the Juubi.

I can also remind you a standard rasengan does internal damage,

Yeah very minor internal damage, and even then nobody has ever really tanked a hit from it.

the only reason it's not duraneg is because it needs to bypass your durability at least a little to inflict the internal damage, which is a given considered boruto ap is a bit higher.

Yeah I don't doubt Boruto could do serious harm with a direct rasengan blow.
But I already addressed this in the Uzuhiko section. A rasengans range is ridiculously short compared to a sword. So if Boruto puts away the sword and tries to go in with a rasengan, Mira cuts him half before the rasengan could come even close to her body.

4. For too long doesn't work here. Any contact and uzuhiko wraps, just like code. Thing is uzuhiko is wrapped around boruto. So for Mira to attack boruto weak points she has to bypass uzuhiko , I don't see how she avoid contact.

That's a weird headcanon. The only time we see the coiling wrap around someone it's when Code holds Boruto for long enough to have an entire conversation.

So not only is there not only no evidence that something like a sword slice is enough contact to wrap around the sword, but unlike a hand, if she noticed Borutos aura wrapping around her sword she would just drop it. Which is something she can afford given she carries like 20 swords around and can fight effectively without it using air manip.

Heck I don't see how she breaks through

Why? Not only is the AP gap basically nonexistent (and would instantly be closed by AD) but Uzuhikos coiling effect was never shown to have some tangible defensive capabilities.

 

[karo_senpaii]

My point was that resisting chakra sensory has nothing to do with resisting whether or not someone can smell you
Also I doubt Boruto wasted precious training time showering

You said it'd turn her into paste. Idk how else to interpret that ngl.

It's mentioned in Miras profile in the anapre section. When Mira fought the swimmer guy in part 2 his teammate was using sound waves to give her vertigo
And the method (planetary rotation) doesn't really matter here. The end result is what Mira has to manage.

It's never said you can strengthen them with chakra, and the statement is made in reference to gentle fist bypassing durability.
This concept is kept consistent in Boruto where god tiers like fused Momoshiki still use gentle fist style organ strikes, and when a 3 year old kid KOes adult Naruto.

My point is that your organs being an extra weak spot is the fundamental building block of an entire fighting style which is considered the strongest in the village and even used by Otsutsukis, with no actual evidence that Code strengthens his organs or that Uzuhiko even damages organs in some unorthodox way.

? I not only don't remember that but kn6 has OP regen sooo

And how does that strengthen his organs exactly?

Yeah standing, not alive. Boruto was purposely keeping him alive so he can take him to the Juubi.

Yeah very minor internal damage, and even then nobody has ever really tanked a hit from it.

Yeah I don't doubt Boruto could do serious harm with a direct rasengan blow.
But I already addressed this in the Uzuhiko section. A rasengans range is ridiculously short compared to a sword. So if Boruto puts away the sword and tries to go in with a rasengan, Mira cuts him half before the rasengan could come even close to her body.

That's a weird headcanon. The only time we see the coiling wrap around someone it's when Code holds Boruto for long enough to have an entire conversation.

So not only is there not only no evidence that something like a sword slice is enough contact to wrap around the sword, but unlike a hand, if she noticed Borutos aura wrapping around her sword she would just drop it. Which is something she can afford given she carries like 20 swords around and can fight effectively without it using air manip.

Why? Not only is the AP gap basically nonexistent (and would instantly be closed by AD) but Uzuhikos coiling effect was never shown to have some tangible defensive capabilities.

1. Isn't it still characterised as ESp or do you mean her nose is pretty good so wherever you go she'll smell you immediately?
2. Yeah I said the energy entering her as in a repeat of code slammed to oblivion?
3. The method matters. Sound waves causing you to loose balance is definitely not the same. That's like what happened to kid Rock Lee.
4. In the description for internals you can see numerous chakra pathways gatheres around organs protecting them. It's specifically why gentle fist is so deadly as it cuts through the chakra and then attacks the organs.
Also the gentle fist inherently carries the users chakra. So tier 5 otsusuki using it obviously is a big deal. Bro I can't believe you're using a gag scene. You're completely wrong about gentle fist. The most deadly thing about it is it makes you unable to use chakra.

Also I go by feats. Code for a 5b energy pushed directly into him, and he didn't turn to paste.
5. That's some god speed Regen considering his entire internals should be vaporized.
6. His physiology is different from shinobi so even if we agree with kakashi statement it has nothing to do with code..
7.. He was still pumped full of energy above low5b. He should be paste if his internals were not durable.
8. It's not minor, the internal damage is showcased as far greater than the exterior. The only reason it's not duraneg is coz you still have to go through the person's dura a bit. Also someone has tanked it, his name is code.
9. The cut still has to go through his uzuhiko aura. That's if she can even tag him.
10. Errm no. Boruto attacks code and code holds his arm and immediately the uzuhiko transfers. Like literally the same page. Well mira is gonna drop 20 swords then .
11. It's not about it having defensive properties, it's an energy around him that could go as high as 60x their ap plus, you'd have to explain how she can cut through the energy

 

[DavidTPPM]

1. Isn't it still characterised as ESp or do you mean her nose is pretty good so wherever you go she'll smell you immediately?

Yeah? She doesn't have like, a 6th sense that tells her the location of the enemy or power or whatnot, just a strong nose.

2. Yeah I said the energy entering her as in a repeat of code slammed to oblivion?

What? I mean I agree she'd get hurt by a rasengan a erased by a charged Uzuhiko, what I'm saying is that the coiling effect on its own wouldn't do damage as that's never shown or said.

3. The method matters. Sound waves causing you to loose balance is definitely not the same. That's like what happened to kid Rock Lee.

The method matters if you're trying to stop it altogether. But if you're simply trying to fight under the effects of said vertigo, the cause doesn't really matter.

4. In the description for internals you can see numerous chakra pathways gatheres around organs protecting them. It's specifically why gentle fist is so deadly as it cuts through the chakra and then attacks the organs.

Yeah, the gentle fist is OP because it targets the pathways around organs but unlike the outer body, you can't strengthen your inner organs.

Also the gentle fist inherently carries the users chakra. So tier 5 otsusuki using it obviously is a big deal.

No, what's a big deal is that if you can actually strengthen your organs then gentle fist style attacks lose any actual advantages they had over regular strikes

Bro I can't believe you're using a gag scene.

Why not? It perfectly follows the rules set by Kakashis statement.

You're completely wrong about gentle fist. The most deadly thing about it is it makes you unable to use chakra.

No, that's specifically 64 palms and other derived techniques, not generally gentle fist attacks.
Gentle fist in general is specifically described to be the strongest taijutsu school in konoha as it targets organs which are impossible to strengthen. This explanation is given long before 64 palms

Also I go by feats. Code for a 5b energy pushed directly into him, and he didn't turn to paste.

No. We don't accept the Uzuhiko used on Code to be 5-B because it was not charged.

5. That's some god speed Regen considering his entire internals should be vaporized.

I mean sure? Are you referring to v2 Naruto swallowing a TBB and it exploding inside?

6. His physiology is different from shinobi so even if we agree with kakashi statement it has nothing to do with code..

Is there any evidence that this specific aspect of his physiology changed? Because you're yet to show that Uzuhiko does internal damage or that Code can strengthen his internal organs.

Which makes the possibility of Kakashi being wrong irrelevant.

7. He was still pumped full of energy above low5b. He should be paste if his internals were not durable.

Bro any regular punch in the body affects your organs with relative energy. Liver shots can lead to major organ damage even without any supernatural hax, and Code getting hit by Uzuhiko is no different. What we consider durability negation is not just hitting the entire body, but specifically targeting the organs. Otherwise any attack to the body would be dura neg.
And again idk why are we even talking about this. I already said Uzuhiko and even a normal rasengan could do serious damage to Mira. The issue is within the attack not hitting in the first place.

8. It's not minor, the internal damage is showcased as far greater than the exterior. The only reason it's not duraneg is coz you still have to go through the person's dura a bit.

Not just "a bit". You essentially have to make a hole inside the opponent for full effect.

Also someone has tanked it, his name is code.

Code was purposely kept alive. So him tanking it is not really a good argument here.

9. The cut still has to go through his uzuhiko aura.

Can you show me anything even remotely implying the Uzuhiko coiling aura has any sort of defensive or offensive power? I really don't remember even the slightest implications of that being the case.

That's if she can even tag him.

Why wouldn't she?

10. Errm no. Boruto attacks code and code holds his arm and immediately the uzuhiko transfers. Like literally the same page.

No. Code holds his arm for a pretty long period of time before it starts coiling around him, and even after it does he can say "What? What is this thing coiling around my arm? What's the big deal?" before it even reaches to his shoulder.

Well mira is gonna drop 20 swords then.

That's assuming Boruto can survive 20 individual sword strikes aimed at his pressure points. Which I heavily doubt.

11. It's not about it having defensive properties, it's an energy around him that could go as high as 60x their ap plus,

Do we have any evidence the coiling around Boruto actually holds energy that could deflect attacks? Because when it went over Code he was not only completely uninjured but straight up unimpressed.

And even if it did, the energy would be spread around Borutos entire body while Miras attacks are concentrated on the edge of a sword. Meaning Boruto would defensively have:
642 Zettatons / 1800 cm² = 0.356 Zettatons per cm². A regular katanas edge has area of 0.1875 cm² meaning the aura of a fully charged Uzuhiko would block about 0.06675 Zettatons of durability.

And that's lowballing the sharpness of national treasures to the sharpness of normal katanas.

you'd have to explain how she can cut through the energy

What? What's stopping her?

 

[Foriaa]

Leaning towards Boruto due to better utility and higher output. I don't know if her blade can resist the effects of his Shiden amped Kusanagi, or whether or not she can perceive things like Vanishing Rasengan. He also has AOE shit like Chidori Current which would likely paralyze her allowing him to finish her off. Like David said above, too much mobility and a deep ass bag that includes FTG and Vanishing Rasengan.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I don't know if her blade can resist the effects of his Shiden amped Kusanagi,

Miras blades scale above her own stats as they channel her power, and could withstand force capable of harming 3-B characters later in the story. So it would be fine

or whether or not she can perceive things like Vanishing Rasengan.

She probably aim dodges it before it even disappears due to her analytical prediction.

He also has AOE shit like Chidori Current which would likely paralyze her allowing him to finish her off. Like David said above, too much mobility and a deep ass bag that includes FTG and Vanishing Rasengan.

Yeah I'd also lean towards Boruto, if it wasn't so insanely difficult to land a hit on Mira without getting killed in process. And he has to do so before Mira outgrows him through AD which only increases as she gets pushed into a corner. Worst thing is that Miras insane battle tactics only make her more dangerous the stronger the opponent is, meanwhile Borutos strongest technique significantly limits his range and mobility, essentially removing half of his advantages and giving Mira a range advantage.

Basically the reason I'm personally leaning towards Mira is mainly that Boruto can't finish her off quickly enough due to the skill gap and her resilience, and the longer the fight goes the stronger and more skilled Mira gets.

 

[Nierre]

She seems to really have a strong skill advantage and sense advantage here. She can also predict teleportation with smelling alone and Boruto's teleportation isn't hard to grasp for someone as skilled as Mira. I'll vote Mira here FRA

 

[Foriaa]

and the longer the fight goes the stronger and more skilled Mira gets.

What's the likelihood that he can paralyze her with his Lightning Release by streaming it through his sword?

 

[DavidTPPM]

What's the likelihood that he can paralyze her with his Lightning Release by streaming it through his sword?

Low. This is actually similar to a discussion that was held in Mira vs Maki about how Mira isn't the type of person to unnecessarily clash swords with the opponent, instead focusing on dodging.

And even when she's forced to go into a clash, if Boruto tried using lightning style she would sacrifice her sword to land dura neg OHKO, meaning it's very unlikely Boruto could both force her to block while also perfectly timing handsigns for lightning release to paralyze her without Mira avoiding it. Not impossible, but unlikely

 

[M2u12]

Vote Mira FRA

 

[M2u12]

What's the likelihood that he can paralyze her with his Lightning Release by streaming it through his sword?

She just drop her sword then.

 

[karo_senpaii]

I actually lost interest in this mid way ngl. Voting boruto I guess

 

[Yeolban]

I agree with David's arguments, I don't see how Boruto's winning against Mira's clearly superior skills and senses. I vote for Mira.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Well if there are no more arguments for Boruto I think I'll definitively vote.

Seems like if Boruto fights via swordsmanship and ninjutsu he'll either get outskilled and killed with a sneaky one shot, or he'll keep up until Mira outgrows and surpasses him.
And if he tries to whip out Uzuhiko he'll nerf his mobility (as he needs to be standing on the ground so no jumping, flying, or teleporting in the air) and his range (sword vs fist sized rasengan) meaning he has no chance of landing a hit before Mira slices him apart.

So overall I vote Mira high diff

 

[DavidTPPM]

Sneaky bump
(currently the votes are 4:1)