Bleach invulnerability revision

[HST_Master]

Damage Negation is just another form of Power Null, idk what you mean by any other ability unless you mean Attack Potency Negation as it's simply an alternate name for invulnerablility that was proposed in the Invulnerablility CRT. And it's not just for characters who are extremely durable, but for revising anything that doesn't match up with the conditions.

Immortality is supernatural itself as well.

 

[BakiHanma18]

To clarify, there's nothing to even remotely suggest Sajin is invulnerable as far as I can see. The most logical choice seems to be Type 5, as he literally says he can't die.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

His body literally can't be damaged, and ofc he can't die his body doesn't have a life in it anymore.

 

[Amasnesotdrol]

Wait why this become Damage Negation and Power Null?

 

[HST_Master]

Wait why this become Damage Negation and Power Null?

I was answering Sigurds point about another character with Invulnerablility. Nothing to do with Sajin.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

don't know who you're talking about tbh.

 

[BakiHanma18]

His arm is seen smoking from the attack on Tengen on page 123, he is seen with scuffs in his face above his left eyebrow on page 124, he is seen with scratches and burns on his chest on page 126, and a scratch on his chin at the bottom of 126, scuffs on the side of his face on 127, and many possible burns and scratches on the final page of the chapter

 

[HST_Master]

Let me introduce you to The Warpriest.

Aura of Immortality: The Warpriest is completely invulnerable to harm, be it physical or magical. This allows him to shrug off all the effects of anything Guardians can do under normal circumstances, as well as the Taken he summons and the power of his own Occulus.

There isn't simply 1 form of invulerability, and you can be invulnerable to hax.

^ @Sigurd

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

He has that via Law Manipulation.

@Baki

I don't know bout those burns since I don't see any. I don't see how you consider this actual damage conisdering the nature of her ability.

1 and 2

If he were actually damaged he'd be in pieces.

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I'm pretty sure he does get damaged. We see next to his hole some bruises.

 

[HST_Master]

And Wok said he needs to revise it anyway. But that's beside the point.

Immortality Type 2 takes way less assumptions and generally fits far better than invulnerablility. Plus there's clear damage on him with visible blood on his face and poring out of his wounds after he beats Bambi.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Dude he literally tore his heart out lol, ofc he's bleeding from there. It's how to use the technique.

 

[BakiHanma18]

He has that via Law Manipulation.
@Baki

I don't know bout those burns since I don't see any. I don't see how you consider this actual damage conisdering the nature of her ability.

1 and 2

If he were actually damaged he'd be in pieces.

Considering we not only see Tengen regen from her blasts but we literally see damage on all the pages I listed, I don't know what to tell you

 

[Amasnesotdrol]

It will be funny if sajin can be defeated with higher AP but bambi cant do it with durability neg hax.

 

[BakiHanma18]

And Wok said he needs to revise it anyway. But that's beside the point.
Immortality Type 2 takes way less assumptions and generally fits far better than invulnerablility. Plus there's clear damage on him with visible blood on his face and poring out of his wounds after he beats Bambi.

Possibly Type 5 as well? By virtue of his statement, or is that too weak?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Tengen is made of out energy dude, he's raw spiritual pressure in that form.

 

[HST_Master]

Dude he literally tore his heart out lol, ofc he's bleeding from there. It's how to use the technique.

And that explains how the blood ended up on his face?

 

[Amasnesotdrol]

Considering we not only see Tengen regen from her blasts but we literally see damage on all the pages I listed, I don't know what to tell you

His bankai and him are connected, damage and healing with work on both of them

 

[BakiHanma18]

His arm is seen smoking from the attack on Tengen on page 123, he is seen with scuffs in his face above his left eyebrow on page 124, he is seen with scratches and burns on his chest on page 126, and a scratch on his chin at the bottom of 126, scuffs on the side of his face on 127, and many possible burns and scratches on the final page of the chapter

^

 

[Amasnesotdrol]

I can go with type 5 via his statement

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

The Bankai itself has pretty much Low-Godly Regenerationn. It's raw Reiatsu and stems from Komamura's Reiatsu which stems from his heart... his heart that no longer exists.

As for Komamura himself, I would agree with invulernable since Bambi's attacks couldn't do anything to him.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Alright, 2 votes for type 2 (myself and Hst) and 2 for type 5 (Amas and myself)

 

[AKM sama]

Looks like a case of statistics (durability) amplification and resistance to whatever causes the explosion.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Looks like a case of statistics (durability) amplification and resistance to whatever causes the explosion.

Considering the implications of the Humanification process and the statements given, is more consistent that he has some kind of immortality, what with his Bankai gaining regen, he himself having ripped his own heart out and still being alive, and of course Sajin's statements themselves

 

[BakiHanma18]

Also, that brings up a good point: Sajin may need regen added as well. Not only are him and Tengen connected, but we see Tengen's hand get turned into a bomb, blown up, and regen, and a panel of Sajin shows his arm smoking after the fact, indicating something similar happened to him as well

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

That would give Komamura Regenerationn similar to Low-Godly since the Bankai is essentially a walking immortal with Low-Godly regen.

 

[BakiHanma18]

That would give Komamura Regenerationn similar to Low-Godly since the Bankai is essentially a walking immortal with Low-Godly regen.

So instead of Type 2 and 5, should we just go with Type 3 because of Tengen? The support being that he was clearly affected by the explosions from Bambi but his body is still whole, meaning he likely regen'd?

 

[IMadeThisOn8-1-2017]

If we come to the conclusion that he regenerates like his Bankai since they share Regenerationn and status then Komamura would get Low-Godly.

 

[Wokistan]

Changed the title to make it easier to keep track of for myself. I can try and look at this later tonight, but no guarantees.

 

[BakiHanma18]

Changed the title to make it easier to keep track of for myself. I can try and look at this later tonight, but no guarantees.

Understood

 

[BakiHanma18]

If we come to the conclusion that he regenerates like his Bankai since they share Regenerationn and status then Komamura would get Low-Godly.

I guess Low-Godly isn't unheard of considering the parallels between his statements and Aizen's

 

[AKM sama]

Considering the implications of the Humanification process and the statements given, is more consistent that he has some kind of immortality, what with his Bankai gaining regen, he himself having ripped his own heart out and still being alive, and of course Sajin's statements themselves

Him ripping out his heart or whatever he does to achieve this state was never the concern for my statement and it doesn't have anything to do with his invulnerability rating. The rating is based on what happens after he rips his heart out.

"He sacrifices his heart for an immortal body devoid of life so that he can't be damaged for some time. Once the technique ends he loses everything and reverts to a mere fox."

I was referring to this, where he supposedly does not take damage and even resists being turned into a bomb.

 

[BakiHanma18]

We've come to the conclusion based on the panels, statements, and his relationship with Tengen that Type 3 is the most likely

Edit: as of right now, this conclusion could change

 

[Zoro21043]

i found something intresting in chapter 65 ichigo thought he wouldnt be cut by uraharas sword as he thought it wasnt a zanpakuto and he said i shouldnt be cut by it as only zanpakutos can cut shinigamis and hollows

i dont know what to think of it tho

maybe reiatsu based attacks can only damage them?

 

[BakiHanma18]

If this is true, Bleach could be looking at something like how Fate servants can't be harmed by modern weapons, but as to Sajin's Invulnerability, I see no reason it shouldn't be changed to Low-Godly regen and Type 3 immortality

 

[ExSENNA]

i found something intresting in chapter 65 ichigo thought he wouldnt be cut by uraharas sword as he thought it wasnt a zanpakuto and he said i shouldnt be cut by it as only zanpakutos can cut shinigamis and hollows

i dont know what to think of it tho

maybe reiatsu based attacks can only damage them?

I think that's just requiring NPI. Most Bleach characters are intangible and invisible souls and only people with spititual powers (aka NPI and EP) can see and interact with them

 

[Zoro21043]

im not familiar with the term npi but if i understood u correctly

i think u are wrong as urahara could still interact with ichigo and ichigo thought he couldnt hurt him with a normal sword

i believe there is some support for this in the lost agent arc ill try finding it when i can

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Not sure how that works out considering Shinigsmi aren't intangible.

 

[Zoro21043]

i think this will work like how soul crush works ,like how only people with resistance to soul manipulation can survive

so spiritual based attacks can damage them or tools made of reiatsu , this would make sense as we already have seen that people with higher reiatsu wont be damaged by lower reiatsu

an argument for this could be "why was chad could to damage the hollow at the first arc"

im thinking that chad already had some spiritual energy or the hogyoku inside rukia allowed that to happen , and that is possible as aizen said the hogyoku is the reason why orihime and chad awakened/got their powers and the hogoku can change the probability of sth happening it was stated when aizen told ichigo that his whole life was part of his plan iirc

 

[ExSENNA]

Not sure how that works out considering Shinigsmi aren't intangible.

Why do characters in bleach have NPI for hitting souls (Shinigami, arrancar, hollows and bunch of others are just souls/spiritual beings) then if they aren't even intangible? Regular humans can't harm them at all that's what i meant with intangibility

Chad was able to attack Shrieker because he had spiritual power and NPI but lacked Extrasensory Perception