Bleach: Abilities Addition (Espadas)

[EldemadeDityjon]

Example 01: Tosen directly is moving from one point to another in a single step and neglecting two blades from each side without the room to evade it with speed and appearing in another point immediately



Example 02 : VL Ichigo directly passes thru Ulquiora



Example 03 : Another Sonido feat. Ichigo moves through the orihime shield. He used sonido at this time. Even orihime confirms it



Sonīdo has characteristics specialised to launching surprise attacks against an opponent through evading Reatsu perception.

However, the Reatsu itself fades for an instant, one is caught in an illusion as if the moving entity is like a mirage or hologram.

… Can’t Fear Your Own World.



It erases the reatsu itself. Also all feats shown are done in straight forward. If they can't teleport they would crash right to whatever is in front of them.

It's pretty much shown souls are intangible in bleach.

https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Bleach/0004-009.png

https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Bleach/0004-014.png

When using Sonido, erasing Reatsu may be the secret for teleportation. By erasing the Reatsu they would probably move through objects.

Anyway feats done by Sonido are more of a short range teleportation than mere speed.

Ichigo directly moves straight forward and gets behind Ulquiora.

Tosen escaped Hisagi blades. It legit shows he couldn't evade that without teleportation.

Also the orihime statement. We know her perception was able to keep up the Ichigo vs yhwach fight. She couldn't be mistaken for a mere speed and that moment of Ichigo was straight forward.

Conclusion:

Sonido should be considered as short range teleportation. Also it should be given Resistance to Extrasensory Perception.

 

[skippy]

Nice the only counter point i see is that it is classified as high speed movement and that Zommari does create Speed clones using Sonido, like Soi fon would so with Shunpo.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Nice the only counter point i see is that it is classified as high speed movement and that Zommari does create Speed clones using Sonido, like Soi fon would so with Shunpo.

But that doesn't explain Tosen and Ichigo moments. Unless they can bypass those blades and orihime causality manipulation shield.

 

[Damage3245]

Sonido should be considered as short range teleportation

No. It's just high speed movement.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Yeah all of those instances can just be FTE movement. Just because characters can’t see other characters move doesn’t make it teleportation. And obviously slipping thru spiritual perception is EP resistance.

 

[LordGinSama]

This ain't teleportation it's literally just high speed movement and resistance to ESP.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

No. It's just high speed movement.

Can you explain how Ichigo moved thru orihime shield which has causality resistance.

 

[Damage3245]

Can you explain how Ichigo moved thru orihime shield which has causality resistance.

He went around it.

 

[LordGinSama]

Also using the anime is iffy at best so I really wouldn't use a clip from the anime to justify teleportation.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Databook verbatim tells us that it’s high-speed movement. I’d bring up the manga but the Olympic Gold levels of mental gymnastics people will go through to remain ignorant is too much hassle for me to bother.

 

[Naeblis495]

Sonido is just high speed movement just like any other speed techniques in bleach.

It just messes with the energy sensing of the opponent , making it more difficult to track.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Sonido is just high speed movement just like any other speed techniques in bleach.

It just messes with the energy sensing of the opponent , making it more difficult to track.

Databook verbatim tells us that it’s high-speed movement. I’d bring up the manga but the Olympic Gold levels of mental gymnastics people will go through to remain ignorant is too much hassle for me to bother.

Example 01: Tosen directly is moving from one point to another in a single step and neglecting two blades from each side without the room to evade it with speed and appearing in another point immediately

Can you explain this. How he got out of there.

 

[Naeblis495]

He ******* jumped...omg.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He ******* jumped...omg.

Sorry? Bro seriously does that looks like jumping.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He went around it.

He didn't went around it. It was just a one step and he was suddenly in front of the shield. Let me find and send you the scan.

 

[Damage3245]

He didn't went around it. It was just a one step and he was suddenly in front of the shield. Let me find and send you the scan.

Have you considered the fact that Ichigo is moving faster than eyesight, AKA too fast for you to tell what is properly happening?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Her shield was covered so that yhwach Reatsu couldn't effect Ichigo.

 

[T2KBaka]

Sorry? Bro seriously does that looks like jumping.

You do realize they can walk and jump on air right? Like they can make platforms and walk on them as well, so he just moved too fast to notice

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Have you considered the fact that Ichigo is moving faster than eyesight, AKA too fast for you to tell what is properly happening?

I already answered that question above. Orihime had the speed to keep up with Ichigo vs yhwach fight. She has no reason to not knowing ichigo making two turns.

According to you Ichigo should have moved like this
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But if he could move like this he should use Sonido two times.

He uses it only once check the scan.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

You do realize they can walk and jump on air right? Like they can make platforms and walk on them as well, so he just moved too fast to notice

But he just moved thru blades. Can you re-check the video. Also by your logic even everyspeed technique can bypass situation like that which is false.

 

[LordGinSama]

The video is irrelevant, it isn't even canon. I'm like 99% sure it also happens differently in the manga.

 

[Naeblis495]

While we are here talking about absolute crazy talk : we should give Reality warping to both Byakuya and Yoruichi via the shunpo technique Utsusemi.

No they didn't created afterimages/optical illusion to make the opponent think they were hit by their attack, they in fact , rewritten reality itself so that the attack never hit them in the first place , duh it's so obvious , why can't you guys see it ?!

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Yeah, I have to agree with the others. This looks like straightforward high speed movement to me.
I couldn't tell you the amount of examples there are of "anime high speed movements" looking exactly like teleportation. You've got Sonido, Shunpo, Shuunshin, Soru, basic movement in DBZ, and the list goes on, really.

 

[Damage3245]

I already answered that question above. Orihime had the speed to keep up with Ichigo vs yhwach fight. She has no reason to not knowing ichigo making two turns.

According to you Ichigo should have moved like this
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↓

But if he could move like this he should use Sonido two times.

He uses it only once check the scan.

Again, you only see him use it once but if he is moving faster than you can see, how can you claim to see it accurately at all?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

While we are here talking about absolute crazy talk : we should give Reality warping to both Byakuya and Yoruichi via the shunpo technique Utsusemi.

No they didn't created afterimages/optical illusion to make the opponent think they were hit by their attack, they in fact , rewritten reality itself so that the attack never hit them in the first place , duh it's so obvious , why can't you guys see it ?!

No one talking about those things why are you derailing.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

NB the entire point of FTE movement is that it is faster than the eye can track, thus we have no idea how they moved, because it's too fast to see.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Again, you only see him use it once but if he is moving faster than you can see, how can you claim to see it accurately at all?

But Orihime was able to keep up throughout yhwach vs Ichigo fight she has zero reasons not seeing two step Sonido.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Yeah, I have to agree with the others. This looks like straightforward high speed movement to me.
I couldn't tell you the amount of examples there are of "anime high speed movements" looking exactly like teleportation. You've got Sonido, Shunpo, Shuunshin, Soru, basic movement in DBZ, and the list goes on, really.

But all those things are different.

It's pretty much shown souls are intangible in bleach.

https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Bleach/0004-009.png

https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Bleach/0004-014.png

When using Sonido, erasing Reatsu may be the secret for teleportation. By erasing the Reatsu they would probably move through objects.

Did you checked this ?

 

[Damage3245]

But Orihime was able to keep up throughout yhwach vs Ichigo fight she has zero reasons not seeing two step Sonido.

Ichigo got faster in that moment then.

 

[T2KBaka]

But he just moved thru blades. Can you re-check the video. Also by your logic even everyspeed technique can bypass situation like that which is false.

Ok? He jumped in the air faster than we can see. Also my logic isn't what you said, I said they can make platforms to run and jump in the air, which wouldn't be false.

Also as Damage said, he was just faster than her. Maybe she was keeping up when they weren't going sweaty mode, Yhwach was toying around most of the arc after he got his Almighty, so you can't even say she's able to keep up with him.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Ok? He jumped in the air faster than we can see. Also my logic isn't what you said, I said they can make platforms to run and jump in the air, which wouldn't be false.

Actually I was saying he jumped is false. But i know they can make a platform in air otherwise they couldn't fly.

 

[T2KBaka]

Actually I was saying he jumped is false. But i know they can make a platform in air otherwise they couldn't fly.

Again how would it be false? He disappeared so fast that we couldn't see him, but he ended up going upwards. If it was teleportation he could've just moved backwards and behind the blades while staying in the same position in the air and yet he's in a higher position after he's done the sonido.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Ichigo got faster in that moment then.

She kept up with Ichigo vs yhwach later also. She was able to react and put shield to save Ichigo.

If it's not considered as teleportation. Atleast it should be considered as Limited instability. As they are seen to move thru objects.

It's pretty much shown souls are intangible in bleach.

https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Bleach/0004-009.png

https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Bleach/0004-014.png

When using Sonido, erasing Reatsu may be the secret for teleportation. By erasing the Reatsu they would probably move through objects.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Again how would it be false? He disappeared so fast that we couldn't see him, but he ended up going upwards. If it was teleportation he could've just moved backwards and behind the blades while staying in the same position in the air and yet he's in a higher position after he's done the sonido.

He moved backwards didn't jumped higher. Look at the scene.

 

[Damage3245]

She kept up with Ichigo vs yhwach later also.

Then that just means Ichigo was faster in this moment than he was later on.

If it's not considered as teleportation. Atleast it should be considered as Limited instability. As they are seen to move thru objects.

No.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Then that just means Ichigo was faster in this moment than he was later on.

That just doesn't make sense.

No.

But they moved through objects didn't affected by them.

 

[T2KBaka]

He moved backwards didn't jumped higher. Look at the scene.

He jumped backwards, but he's in a higher position in the air. If it was teleportation, he could've just essentially phased through the blades and remain in the same position in the air. Maybe I'm just blind or am misunderstanding teleportation if someone else can clear it up for me

 

[Damage3245]

That just doesn't make sense.

Sonido being teleportation or intangibility just doesn't make sense.

But they moved through objects didn't affected by them.

They didn't.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He jumped backwards, but he's in a higher position in the air. If it was teleportation, he could've just essentially phased through the blades and remain in the same position in the air. Maybe I'm just blind or am misunderstanding teleportation if someone else can clear it up for me

Ok. But it should give limited intangibility then. When using Sonido it erases reastu so that they move thru objects.

Pretty much Tosen escaping & Ichigo example backs it up.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Sonido being teleportation or intangibility just doesn't make sense.

If it's not teleportation then it should get limited intangibility when using Sonido only like that

They didn't.

They did phase thru look at all 3 scans and hollows moving thru objects.