Blazblue vs Passives

[Moritzva]

She should resist transmutation. That's something literally every character in the series has.

Also his highest feat for attack reflection is reflecting mindhax?

Emrakul's (likely) 5-D mindhax comes to mind, yes. Though literally every spell he can throw could be reflected by him, aside from Split Second spells.

Also, yea, I kinda imagined Transmutation would be resisted.

Might be Inconclusive. Neither can really land a proper hit on each other, and AP seems completely irrelevant.

 

[Theglassman12]

Then I don't really see how he can reflect PI when Master Unit can conceptually seal him away if she so desires.

 

[Moritzva]

Then I don't really see how he can reflect PI when Master Unit can conceptually seal him away if she so desires.

Aren't they both 5-D? Sealing isn't anything new, though Conceptual is a strong tag, it doesn't seem like enough to completely no-sell. Worst comes to worst, more potent nulls such as Summary Dismissal can be tossed out.

(After all, reflecting it matters little when they resist it anyways.)

I'm leaning on Inconclusive.

 

[Theglassman12]

Doesn't matter if it's 5-D when it's on a conceptual level. Not to mention unless you have any scans or statements that the reflection can reflect conceptual hax, it's a bit of a NLF to assume it can reflect concept hax when it's highest feat is reflecting mindhax.

 

[Moritzva]

Doesn't matter if it's 5-D when it's on a conceptual level. Not to mention unless you have any scans or statements that the reflection can reflect conceptual hax, it's a bit of a NLF to assume it can reflect concept hax when it's highest feat is reflecting mindhax.

Conceptual is nice, but it's not an entire metaphysical tiering number above. While the conceptuality and strength of Theros gods are (very slowly) being discussed by MTG supporters, the end point is that the redirection works on every last MTG spell and ability with few exceptions - Emrakul's mindhax simply has the best factual raw potency than most sealing spells The Planeswalker could toss out, because those spells would be scaling from himself anyways.

As I said, Inconclusive. Lots of power null spells that aren't resisted and lots of variants of them, and there isn't enough evidence to say any MU:A spell will no-sell them, especially without the applicable resistance. Meanwhile, I doubt any resistance negation from The Planeswalker will be overly applicable and I assume MU resists that, too.

 

[Moritzva]

I'm assuming any sort of Life Manip/Draining is also resisted?

 

[Theglassman12]

Except when Conceptual hax is undoubtably superior to virtually any hax in the list, saying that he can reflect it just because, wit no proof he can reflect hax in that level, is the equivalent of saying that someone with power mimicry that works on energy attacks can mimic full on hax with no proof that it works like that.

I literally listed off the different resistances that the characters have for the power null. And with the whole argument of power and body based power null, Master Unit resists both thanks to Kushinada's Lynchpin and Phenomena Intervention respectively.

The BlazBlue characters will get resistance negation soon. And some of them is scaled infinitely higher so it won't be an issue for them.

 

[Theglassman12]

Yes life Manipulation is resisted as well

 

[Moritzva]

(I figured those would be resisted.)

Since it seems I chose to make the thread at a poor time, pray tell, what else is getting added in the near future? If they are going to Low 1-C absolutely, as you said, among other things, then it probably doesn't work as a match.

 

[Theglassman12]

There's a reason people meme the fact that BlazBlue resists "Powers and Abilities".

Aside from Low 1-C upgrade, even more hax for the characters, Resistance negation, and a wishful thinking that I can find a line that could make every character that exists outside of logic Type 5 Acausals. That's all that I can think of that's being added for the characters unless you count the Regenerationn changes.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Yikes, Type 5. Crazy. BB vs SMT is gonna be a mudflow when the revisions finish for both.

 

[Moritzva]

tfw The Planeswalker has Powers & Abilities, but BB resists Powers & Abilities.

Well, I suppose it's best we wait until then, but I imagine we'll be unable to make this again.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

So Master Unit stomps?

 

[Moritzva]

So Master Unit stomps?

After revisions? Probably? I dunno, but Low 1-C doesn't exactly say good things. Plus, they'll be off Wiki's Strongest anyways.

 

[Theglassman12]

Considering Planeswalker isn't Low 1-C. It'll most likely be a stomp. But yeah if you want I can close this match.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Why doesn't it say good things?

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Considering Planeswalker isn't Low 1-C. It'll most likely be a stomp. But yeah if you want I can close this match.

Ahh. Okay.

 

[Theglassman12]

How exactly is it not a good thing when you get a MTG character on the strongest list?