Blast's speed scaling fix

[ZillertheBucko]

Currently, Blast has mftl+ for reacting to garou and saitama's serious punches
however, the problem with this is that the sp^2 is not even mftl+ to begin with
the value for mftl+ currently comes from garou being completely blitzed on IO, and he only scales AFTER this occurs due to copying him
but this is contradicting the fact that a slower garou is completely able to react to Saitama's punch, and matches the speed when their fists clash
in summary, for this to be consistent, saitama would have to get mftl+ for blitzing garou, and a slower garou would have to be mftl+ for not getting blitzed by saitama, and blast would scale to them. Yeah... that doesn't work
The proposition is that Blast would only scale to Garou's ftl value (for now...) as that has the more solid scaling

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Yeah, using a speed value that blitzed Garou doesn't work as far as I can tell even if you want to think that they haven't gotten that much faster compared to how fast they were in that scene.

 

[EliminatorVenom]

You are right. I agree with the proposition.

 

[Kin201]

I agree.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

the changes seem pretty uncontroversial for now
iirc Phoenks was the one who agreed on the mftl+ the value, so we should probably call them before making any changes

 

[Quangotjokes]

To be fair, the Garou Blast reacted to could still barely react to Saitama.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

To be fair, the Garou Blast reacted to could still barely react to Saitama.

he seemed to react perfectly fine to the serious punch, and that still wouldn't make up for blitzing him over the entirety of IO
it's the equivalent of me carrying you like to the other side of the planet before you could process it, that's not just a speed blitz, he got completely statued
so "barely reacting" would still be far beyond impossible if it was anywhere near mftl+ during the sp^2

 

[Quangotjokes]

Garou was still deflecting some blows. Blast saw Garou in slow motion seemingly. He should still downscale at the very least

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Garou was still deflecting some blows. Blast saw Garou in slow motion seemingly. He should still downscale at the very least

downscale from what? the mftl+ value that garou doesn't scale to?

 

[Aachintya31]

Blast is hell no mftl+ could be possibly FTL

 

[Quangotjokes]

downscale from what? the mftl+ value that garou doesn't scale to?

Why wouldn't he scale when he could react to Saitama?

What really needs to be changed is the wording.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Why wouldn't he scale when he could react to Saitama?

What really needs to be changed is the wording.

but he can't react to saitama's full speed
the mftl+ rating from the IO feat is accepted on the basis that garou's reaction time was blitzed like a trillion times over by it, so why would it make any sense for a SLOWER Garou to react to Saitama in the sp^2
Garou is rated as ftl before copying saitama after that feat, the profile itself doesn't accept garou is mftl+ before then. If a ftl garou reacted to the serious punch then blast reacting to it means nothing

 

[Aachintya31]

Why wouldn't he scale when he could react to Saitama?

What really needs to be changed is the wording.

What makes their clash mftl+?

 

[Quangotjokes]

but he can't react to saitama's full speed
the mftl+ rating from the IO feat is accepted on the basis that garou's reaction time was blitzed like a trillion times over by it, so why would it make any sense for a SLOWER Garou to react to Saitama in the sp^2
Garou is rated as ftl before copying saitama after that feat, the profile itself doesn't accept garou is mftl+ before then. If a ftl garou reacted to the serious punch then blast reacting to it means nothing

He did react prior to copying him. He deflected his punches multiple times. Even reacted and copying his full power before their punch collided for serious punch²

Saitama's growth didn't spike again until after Garou entered Saitama mode again.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

He did react prior to copying him. He deflected his punches multiple times. Even reacted and copying his full power before their punch collided for serious punch²

Saitama's growth didn't spike again until after Garou entered Saitama mode again.

he reacted to a saitama who wasn't going full speed, otherwise you're saying that the mftl+ feat is completely worthless since it wouldn't have been a speed blitz to begin with

 

[Quangotjokes]

he reacted to a saitama who wasn't going full speed, otherwise you're saying that the mftl+ feat is completely worthless since it wouldn't have been a speed blitz to begin with

He was going full speed the whole time. The speed feats isn't worthless it's still a feat just Garou would scale to it.

 

[Kin201]

I think Garou wasn't able to keep up with Post SP^2 Saitama until he copied him the third time. And when he finally matched him, Saitama pulled off his gag powers (growing exponentially) and just bodied Garou.

Basically, the Garou that fought Blast and matched Saitama's SP shouldn't scale to the Io's feat.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Another thing worth noting. Blast and his friends reacted to them being sent to I.O before they even arrived there.

Saitama didn't even react to that and didn't understand how he got there.

 

[Kin201]

Blast and his friends reacted to them being sent to I.O before they even arrived there.

Wait, when did this happen? I thought they were just questioning where they were sent to.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Wait, when did this happen? I thought they were just questioning where they were sent to.

Saitama said "where are we, what happened?"

He threw a punch then next thing he knew he was on the moon.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

He was going full speed the whole time. The speed feats isn't worthless it's still a feat just Garou would scale to it.

You’re still completely dodging the entire point
Are you claiming that garou was mftl+ before he got blitzed on IO? If not, then all your points are completely worthless unfortunately. Garou reacted to Saitama during the sp^2, so you’re telling me that he got blitzed by the same speed that he would be scaling to in this scenario? Yeah no
if you think you’re right about this then make a scaling chain for blast and then you’ll see that slower garou being faster than the faster garou makes no sense

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Another thing worth noting. Blast and his friends reacted to them being sent to I.O before they even arrived there.

Saitama didn't even react to that and didn't understand how he got there.

We’re not shown anything from blast after they arrive on the moon, this is just blatantly false

 

[Quangotjokes]

We’re not shown anything from blast after they arrive on the moon, this is just blatantly false

We literally see them talking about where how they went flying. Read the chapter again.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

We literally see them talking about where how they went flying. Read the chapter again.

“They went flying?” “What happened to those two?”
Ah yes, scaling statements
And besides, the speed at which they went flying is like millions of times faster than the current mftl+ value lol. Although that’s a thing for a different crt

 

[Quangotjokes]

“They went flying?” “What happened to those two?”
Ah yes, scaling statements
And besides, the speed at which they went flying is like millions of times faster than the current mftl+ value lol. Although that’s a thing for a different crt

They reacted to it, Saitama and Garou didn't realize what had happened.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

They reacted to it, Saitama and Garou didn't realize what had happened.

Dude did you not literally read what I just said
Blast team quite literally didn’t know what happened. You are trying to wank them to being faster than Saitama and Garou’s mftl+ value when that just isn’t even possible based on what they literally say in the panel

 

[Nehz_XZX]

I'm pretty sure that they had no idea how far exactly Saitama and Garou went flying which would probably not be the case if they had been able to perceive the entire thing well.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Dude did you not literally read what I just said
Blast team quite literally didn’t know what happened. You are trying to wank them to being faster than Saitama and Garou’s mftl+ value when that just isn’t even possible based on what they literally say in the panel

This has nothing to do with them being able to see how far they flew. They reacted before they landed on jupiter.

Saitama didn't even perceive the traveling to begin with. Simple stuff.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

This has nothing to do with them being able to see how far they flew. They reacted before they landed on jupiter.

Saitama didn't even perceive the traveling to begin with. Simple stuff.

They didn’t react to it at all my brother in Christ, they literally state that they don’t know what happened
stop blatantly ignoring the things people are saying, gott dam

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Would he, at the very least, downscale from sending Saitama and Garou to Io with Space Manipulation?

This has nothing to do with them being able to see how far they flew. They reacted before they landed on jupiter.

Saitama didn't even perceive the traveling to begin with. Simple stuff.

Neither of the two were certain of what had happened in the aftermath of the redirection. Their statements are literally identical.

 

[TauanVictor]

Agreed.

 

[Aachintya31]

I agree with ziller for the downgrade

 

[CiscoTheSoto]

I agree with this new speed scaling for Blast, since it's based on Saitama's speed feat which Garou could only match after copying Saitama for an extended period of time.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

wouldnt the serious punch^2 be MFTL+ for destroying millions of stars in an instant

 

[Nehz_XZX]

wouldnt the serious punch^2 be MFTL+ for destroying millions of stars in an instant

The problem is that the vectors of the force behind that clash was changed from being omnidirectional to going into one direction only and that has very likely affected the speed.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

The problem is that the vector of the force behind that clash was changed from being omnidirectional to going into one direction only and that has very likely affected the speed.

That seems like a thing the calc group could handle even tho I disagree with the blast being sped up by that, since the force would remain the same
This crt is probably gonna be temporary regardless tho, since even if that changed the speed then the calc group would be able to calculate the change in speed probably

 

[ZillertheBucko]

So how long until the changes are safe to apply? Will we be receiving more input?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

bump

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Doesn't this mean that saitama doesn't scale to the MFTL+ feat until after he actually performs it? Since garou cooied his stats during the serious punch and later got blitzed.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Doesn't this mean that saitama doesn't scale to the MFTL+ feat until after he actually performs it? Since garou cooied his stats during the serious punch and later got blitzed.

Garou can only copy the amount of energy that saitama is using at that moment
before he goes full power garou can't copy his full power, so his full speed would have needed to be used at the time for it to get copied