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Black Myth: Wukong General Discussion

Golden_Void said:
You might have to read the actual book lol

Much background information is in the books or based on mythology. There are no character files for the four heavenly kings, and one can interpret their abilities to crazy extents. For example, two of the kings controlling all rain and wind, respectively, can make someone interpret it as they can manipulate the entire planet's worth of air and atmospheric water. Who knows if that's the case?
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But to what extent can we use the original book? we should check that
 
I think if we get an imgur album of all the relevant journal entries, we can get started. There's hardly any on-screen feats besides those that involve Erlang and the 4HKs.
 
Chritin said:
I sadly won’t be able to play the game on release, but I’ll keep an eye open and help out with calcs and things if need be.

Hopefully a lot of the original Journey to the West can be applied to the new story, considering the fact that it’s heavily implied that EVERYTHING that happened in the story happened in the game (except for the end, where it seems that Wukong achieved Buddahood, but turned it down for a like with his monkeys). I guess you could argue that’s sufficient enough evidence to say the book doesn’t apply, but also that’s kinda dumb with how much else is ripped from the story.
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On the contrary, what he rejected was a position in the heavens. He is still a Buddha. I don't think the title of Buddha is something you just reject.
 
Hopefully I'll be able to help out more after Christmas if I can play it over winter break.

Also we should seriously come to a consensus on if we can use TJTTW in scaling the came. I get there's the whole concern of using the book lore even if it isn't specified in the game, but I think the events of the book are as heavily implied that they can be.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
As already mentioned, unless the game has literally the entire original story to read, it is not usable.
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Frankly that’s kind of the dumb considering how literally EVERYTHING from the book is implied to have happened or literally said. Like I get we don’t like to take logical leaps but COME ON, the writing is on the wall for everything about this game. The entire point of it is to be a sequel of sorts
 
The game does take a number of liberties with the lore. Wukong rejecting his buddha position is a big one, as is the Demon Bull King helping Wukong invade heaven, and Red Boy not really being his son. It's not a clear one-to-one by any stretch.
 
WCMM said:
The game does take a number of liberties with the lore. Wukong rejecting his buddha position is a big one, as is the Demon Bull King helping Wukong invade heaven, and Red Boy not really being his son. It's not a clear one-to-one by any stretch.
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None of those events really contradict the original story though. Wukong rejecting buddahood clearly takes place after the story, and it’s logical that his disdain for the position would come after he obtains it. Red Boy being the not being the bull demon king’s son either isn’t really a contradiction either since we no one besides princess iron fan and the mountain keeper I believe know about it. I even think there’s a point where it says the Bull demon kings son did try and accept him and treat him as his own.

Finally with the invasion of heaven, I don’t think we are expressly told in the novel that the bull demon king helps wukong, but he did have people help him with his invasion iirc. It’s not far fetched imo is all I’m saying
 
Chritin said:
Finally with the invasion of heaven, I don’t think we are expressly told in the novel that the bull demon king helps wukong, but he did have people help him with his invasion iirc. It’s not far fetched imo is all I’m saying
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Wukong never invaded heaven in the book. He throws a couple deva tantrums there, but that's all him. Heaven attacks him and his demons on Earth.

Plus, all this is pretty much irrelevant anyways. This game is an interpretation of the book. We can't just assume that everything is the same. That's bad powerscaling.
 
WCMM said:
Wukong never invaded heaven in the book. He throws a couple deva tantrums there, but that's all him. Heaven attacks him and his demons on Earth.

Plus, all this is pretty much irrelevant anyways. This game is an interpretation of the book. We can't just assume that everything is the same. That's bad powerscaling.
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Actually, do we even see Wukong invade heaven specifically? Cause if not, the visuals of him fighting heaven's forces on earth with the bull demon king. As you said they fight his other demons on earth.

Also, I get it. I know its not regular practice, but its honestly pretty dense to not consider the book in what is the most obvious and likely assumptions of all time. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if there are even creator statements where they say "this story takes place after the book" period
 
Chritin said:
Fair, but I'm sure other JTTW wouldn't mind helping to work on the game if we ratify this.
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It would be best to do a CRT based on the game then if people agree, add JTTW information. That's going to be a much longer CRT, plus the mythology would need to be referenced anyway.
 
Golden_Void said:
It would be best to do a CRT based on the game then if people agree, add JTTW information. That's going to be a much longer CRT, plus the mythology would need to be referenced anyway.
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Yeah its a far ways out, but a dedicated conversation should be held once things are up.
 
Excuse me, why are a few of us against using the Lore story to scale the Game? Why does it need to be available for you to read in the game to apply?
 
Mori said:
Excuse me, why are a few of us against using the Lore story to scale the Game? Why does it need to be available for you to read in the game to apply?
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you mean the old novel?
 
Mori said:
Excuse me, why are a few of us against using the Lore story to scale the Game? Why does it need to be available for you to read in the game to apply?
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Golden_Void said:
It would be best to do a CRT based on the game then if people agree, add JTTW information. That's going to be a much longer CRT, plus the mythology would need to be referenced anyway.
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As one of the supporters of original JJTW alongside @ActuallySpaceMan42 .

No, we tried this in the original JJTW itself using the Buddhist sutra and Taoist manuscript that are referenced within the story itself. And it was rejected.

We can only use it if its actually appear within the original novel, not the sutras or manuscript.
 
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