Black Clover speed upgrade

[Ryuga21]

Gauche being FTL when Yami can't hit SoL being sounds like an outiler.

 

[Jasperking]

In the sweep you provided says absolutely nothing about Yami increasing the speed of Black Magic, your biased interpretation will not update again.

What?

"Dark Magic is extremely slow."

"That's why you used darkness to cloak your weapon, and created a combat style that used reinforcement magic to compensate!"

In what way is that biased interpretation? Clear as day, Yami overcomes his magic's innate weakness by using tools.

 

[Jasperking]

Gauche being FTL when Yami can't hit SoL being sounds like an outiler.

Yami hit an FTL much later on in the series.

 

[Ryuga21]

who?

 

[Jasperking]

who?

The Word Devil.

 

[USklaverei]

"Dark Magic is extremely slow."

"That's why you used darkness to cloak your weapon, and created a combat style that used reinforcement magic to compensate!"

In what way is that biased interpretation? Clear as day, Yami overcomes his magic's innate weakness by using tools.

He created a way to handle the speed of Light Magic, what does that have to do with speed?

 

[Jasperking]

Also I forgot to add: Asta and Yuno in their improved forms Pre TS hit back a stronger and faster version of the same spell USK claims Yami couldn't avoid in Chapter 50. That would put them on the same speed ballpark as Base Nozel.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Gauche being FTL when Yami can't hit SoL being sounds like an outiler.

https://v1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Black-Clover/0047-015.png

Also I never said gauche would be FTL in everything, only in reaction speed. And even if, it's not like Yami was the fastest character in the series, even at that time. Yami isn't even the fastest among the black bulls since there's Noelle

 

[USklaverei]

Remembering that, the fastest and strongest attack of the Divine Punishment Ray, which is referred to as the speed of light, why would light constructions also be? Being clearly placed below the radius?

 

[Epsilon_R]

Patry's Divine Punishment was never stated to be the speed of light but just to be his fastest spell. If you think so you gonna have to give us a panel

 

[USklaverei]

Gauche was referring to what then when he said it was lightspeed?

 

[Epsilon_R]

>Yami not being able to dodge and attack stated to be SoL nor hit LS characters

1/ That would only mean Yami doesn't have SoL travel speed

2/ Yeah..... Sure...

If we go with Gauche's statement saying that attack was only SoL and Yami's statement saying that he can't dodge it, then we must also go with Yami's statement saying both are moving at lightspeed and Yami's feat hitting both of them. So if anything, Yami is at the very least LS in combat speed

 

[USklaverei]

In case it would be attack speed though, this contradicts the Dark Magic quote being mt less than Light Magic.

 

[Ryuga21]

Gauche and Noelle being faster than Yami makes no sense, really. Yami is far skilled in combat and have better experience than both together. Gauche reacting to a SoL attack while Yami claims he can't handle this speed just sounds like outlier.

 

[Epsilon_R]

First, skill =/= Speed so idk what's the point to mention Yami's skill.

Second, he can handle this speed and I gave the feats for that. Feats > Statements therefore Yami hitting Patry > Yami saying he can't dodge the attack (I also want to point out that Yami can be very ironic: https://v1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Black-Clover/0005-013.png)


Lastly, Noelle is indeed faster than Yami since she was able to keep up with Reincarnated Fana: https://v93.**********.com/manga/Black-Clover/0193-001.png

Even Nozel mentions her speed: https://v93.**********.com/manga/Black-Clover/0203-010.png

Heck, even Luck did better against Vetto: https://v1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Black-Clover/0064-002.png

https://v1.mangabeast01.com/manga/Black-Clover/0064-003.png

So Idk where you got that because Yami couldn't dodge Patry's spell means Gauche can't too

If Pre-EI Asta can outran Mereoleona's attacks (Who can blitz Raia and has the same reaction speed as Vetto according to Raia), VD Noelle is faster than Fana and Luck can dodge Vetto's attacks at Point-blank range, I don't see why Gauche reflecting Patry's attack would be an outlier.

 

[Ryuga21]

I wasn't referring to Noelle with Valkyria Dress. But yes BoS.

Luck could only dodge Vetto's attacks because he was using speed boost techniques. Gauche certainly doesn't scale to that.

I'm not considering any character as SoL, just Patry's strongest spell. Gauche himself is inferior to Yami in everything, even he knows that, lol.

Yami at this point of the series was one of the strongest characters in the entire series, Gauche was one of the weakest. No way that he showing better speed feats could be consistent.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Luck used speed boost techniques but so did Vetto. And Luck was still able to react to him and block his attack

And no, Yami isn't the stronger in everything. Gauche is the smartest Black Bulls including Yami so it's a proof that Yami isn't above the Black Bulls in everything. Therefore, if Gauche was able to block an attack from Patry and Yami couldn't, that just means Gauche's reaction speed is above Yami (against Gauche's feat is only a reaction speed feat, his Travel Speed and Attack Speed won't scale).

 

[USklaverei]

boring

 

[Epsilon_R]

Feel free to quit the thread

 

[USklaverei]

you boring

 

[Epsilon_R]

So don't waste your time replying to me. Unless you like to be bored

 

[Sheogorath3]

Gauche being smarter than Yami, doesn't make him faster.

This is a bad justification

 

[Epsilon_R]

....


So Yami being Faster because he's more skilled is a good one???

And Gauche litteraly did a feat putting him above Yami in reaction speed so if that's a bad justification for you...

 

[USklaverei]

Gauche could not react to the light constructs, as Yami with Ki could, Yami could not react to the Lightning, but Gauche yes, very consistent.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Which leads to what I previously said, he couldn't see it because of the brightness. So consistent it is.

Btw I thought you were bored

 

[Sheogorath3]

....

So Yami being Faster because he's more skilled is a good one???

And Gauche litteraly did a feat putting him above Yami in reaction speed so if that's a bad justification for you...

To claim that he is smarter than Yami, and therefore faster? Yes it's bad

 

[Epsilon_R]

So Yami being Faster because he's more skilled is a good one???

 

[Sheogorath3]

Gauche could not react to the light constructs, as Yami with Ki could, Yami could not react to the Lightning, but Gauche yes, very consistent.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Which leads to what I previously said, he couldn't see it because of the brightness. So consistent it is.

 

[Sheogorath3]

Gauche was referring to what then when he said it was lightspeed?

 

[Epsilon_R]

Lol, just because his fastest spell is "lightspeed" doesn't mean Gauche couldn't react to the other ones. That doesn't show any inconsistency at all

 

[USklaverei]

But he was unable to react to an attack that was less than that, his logic is totally misrepresented.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Which leads to what I previously said, he couldn't see it because of the brightness. So consistent it is.

 

[Jasperking]

In case it would be attack speed though, this contradicts the Dark Magic quote being mt less than Light Magic.

He uses a TOOL to get over that deficiency. Please read more carefully.

 

[Duedate8898]

Since this still exist, I'm just gonna put this link here:

https://imgur.com/a/vg3bwLR.

This is a catalogue of everytime Yami reacted and deflected one of Patri's attacks and also explains of how he did each one. This is the offical scans is that makes anyone feel better. While one could argue just Relativistic for Yami, a few of the times he deflected would care to disagree.

Oh, and Bump!

 

[MindControl116]

BUMP

Anyway, I agree with OP, for the most part.

However, I'm not sure anyone scales to MFTL quite yet, except for Julius.