Black Clover : Good bye Mftl speed

[AstaDragon123]

Other than that, Ichika was also able to perform a visually FTL feat.

Bro like this Nozel Elf Arc or Base Asta Elf Arc and many other characters can do it…..

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

Dang... BC ain't soloing the HST via speedblitzing anymore.

Anyway, the cap looks logical. I agree.

We can still step with hax, starting with non-duality and CM1 for Morgen , by manipulating the primordial forces of the world of light and darkness

 

[Xinsignia1]

This didn't look any different from Yami's. Blocks Patry's light magic, which does not increase his speed.

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. can you clarify?

I didn't say Pimyami, he actually used his arms to block attacks. Further, this is no different from point 1.

Ima need you to clarify this sentence.

 

[ResoNate2036]

This didn't look any different from Yami's. Blocks Patry's light magic, which does not increase his speed.

I didn't say Pimyami, he actually used his arms to block attacks. Further, this is no different from point 1.

the sfx in that panel (Brrzap) doesn't look like the sfx used for sword slash (Skash and Shree), and it didn't look like it managed to touch both attacks

 

[CloverDragon03]

@Xinsignia1 The recent points you brought up are a whole lotta nothing tbh. My major responses to them are:

• Yes it's very possible that they didn't get as much faster as you think. The whole "unless you think they didn't get much faster" thing is just arguing from incredulity and not much else
• You're extrapolating too much from the Black Moon point. In context, Yami's self-evidently referring to how in the face of such speed, using Black Moon was the best he could do. He can't properly keep up with light speed
• You can react to and block something while still being slower than it, especially if you're further away from it and moving less distance than it does in the same moment. In these cases, the lasers are being fired from much further away from Yami, so of course he can react to and dodge them
• Morgen literally is moving at light speed when Yami says he's too fast. We know Light Magic users can do this and Jack even identifies that Light Magic is being used when Morgen blitzes him

And as a side note, you can't say that this downgrade goes against the series when the statement comes from the series itself and you're simply twisting what is meant into some caricature of itself to avoid a downgrade

In about 10 hours the CRT will be considered accepted since 3 admins have agreed to it

 

[AstaDragon123]

@Xinsignia1 The recent points you brought up are a whole lotta nothing tbh. My major responses to them are:

• Yes it's very possible that they didn't get as much faster as you think. The whole "unless you think they didn't get much faster" thing is just arguing from incredulity and not much else
• You're extrapolating too much from the Black Moon point. In context, Yami's self-evidently referring to how in the face of such speed, using Black Moon was the best he could do. He can't properly keep up with light speed
• You can react to and block something while still being slower than it, especially if you're further away from it and moving less distance than it does in the same moment. In these cases, the lasers are being fired from much further away from Yami, so of course he can react to and dodge them
• Morgen literally is moving at light speed when Yami says he's too fast. We know Light Magic users can do this and Jack even identifies that Light Magic is being used when Morgen blitzes him

And as a side note, you can't say that this downgrade goes against the series when the statement comes from the series itself and you're simply twisting what is meant into some caricature of itself to avoid a downgrade

Ya you're absolutely right on point, Clover.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Are they the same rays of divine punishment and if they weren't, what would that attack be based on? Lucius' arsenal only includes light manipulation as a laser attack.

Other than that, Ichika was also able to perform a visually FTL feat.

No they're not. They were assumed to be lasers but they're evidently not with hindsight

Also, that feat is not "visually FTL," it could just as easily be Relativistic

Yes, he called Morgen fast, not light speed, and how can we ignore that damanku panel? The OP's proposal for demotion is about those specific attacks

Morgen was moving at light speed

We can still step with hax, starting with non-duality and CM1 for Morgen , by manipulating the primordial forces of the world of light and darkness

Smells like turbo wank

 

[Worthless]

Dang... BC ain't soloing the HST via speedblitzing anymore.

Anyway, the cap looks logical. I agree.

I'm quite confident that Lucius will claim he can move or make enemy attacks [insert number] times faster than before through time acceleration, just like what Julius did to light magic (which was confirmed to be 2x in the databook). Since Lucius time control is superior to Julius, I'm expecting the acceleration to be more than just two. There’s also Astaroth who, for all we know, could accelerate his own ass close to infinity (delusion). So it's not the end of the world.

 

[Xinsignia1]

• Yes it's very possible that they didn't get as much faster as you think. The whole "unless you think they didn't get much faster" thing is just arguing from incredulity and not much else

Lucifero doubled his speed when he punched Zora which would already put him over LS based on our current scaling. But narratively, Yuno even pointed out that dark elf Patry's black light was faster. Narratively, Demon light divine ray of punishment is ftl.

• You're extrapolating too much from the Black Moon point. In context, Yami's self-evidently referring to how in the face of such speed, using Black Moon was the best he could do. He can't properly keep up with light speed

How am I extrapolating when they created a whole combo spell that focused on an alternate method from absorption? The power output is a pretty substantial factor. Morgen went from being unable to pierce black moon with his light, to blowing through it like butter.

• You can react to and block something while still being slower than it, especially if you're further away from it and moving less distance than it does in the same moment. In these cases, the lasers are being fired from much further away from Yami, so of course he can react to and dodge them

Morgen was less than 3 meters from Yami and those lights were also ahead of him.

• Morgen literally is moving at light speed when Yami says he's too fast. We know Light Magic users can do this and Jack even identifies that Light Magic is being used when Morgen blitzes him

Jack was referring to base Morgen after he used light magic to beam him and Lucius is after observing and mistaking him from Nacht he Said "wait no that's". then gets blitzed and says "Light magic"

Morgen engulfs himself in his attribute to move at LS, just like other light magic users such as Patry, and Lumiere. And from my recollection Morgen is the only light magic user with wings, and those wings only appear when he transforms.

Paladin Morgen also uses his wings to move as well, so him being FTL is not inconsistent. He wasn't even engulfed in light when he blitzed Yami, nor was the sfx for light speed movement used. Instead four wings were also open propeling him forward. The sfx used for ftl movement wasn't even used in that scan. So him using his light + his wings to move even faster should not be out of the realm of possibility. Especially since Lilith and Namaah nearly outsped DU Asta with their 4 wings, so its pretty evident they can also boost the speed of the user.

And as a side note, you can't say that this downgrade goes against the series when the statement comes from the series itself and you're simply twisting what is meant into some caricature of itself to avoid a downgrade

In about 10 hours the CRT will be considered accepted since 3 admins have agreed to it

From my perspective, it does go against the series. In addition, there are plenty statements from that series that some conveniently choose to ignore, but that's another discussion for another time.

I don't see how providing additional context means im trying to twist things to avoid a downgrade especially since this a space to present arguments, like wdym? If you perceive my disagreement as some type of "contortion" then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Epsilon_R]

Also, that feat is not "visually FTL," it could just as easily be Relativistic

Morgen was moving at light speed

Smells like turbo wank

His attacks were stated to move at lightspeed, not his movements, so it very well can still be faster.

 

[CloverDragon03]

His attacks were stated to move at lightspeed, not his movements, so it very well can still be faster.

It makes no sense for Yami to hype up that specific attack if Morgen himself is actually just faster

And Morgen moving at light speed is consistent with Jack identifying his magic as Light Magic when he got blitzed

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

EVerything looks solid, I agree with the CRT.

 

[King_Gorilla4002-8922]

No they're not. They were assumed to be lasers but they're evidently not with hindsight

Because it is consistent with the other rays of light in the verse

Also, that feat is not "visually FTL," it could just as easily be Relativistic

No way, Morgen was at hand to hand distance from Yami and Ichika was out of frame , and then we have demonic light magic which is declared FTL

Morgen was moving at light speed

Movement/travel speed yes, but in combat probably not it should be FTL since purified magic > corrupted magic which includes demonic light magic

Smells like turbo wank

That's because you didn't see my 1-A BC theory with the Glamour world

 

[AstaDragon123]

Yehhh now CRT will be considered accepted.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

Yehhh now CRT will be considered accepted.

You know, for a Black Clover fan, you're way too excited about this downgrade being accepted.

 

[AstaDragon123]

You know, for a Black Clover fan, you're way too excited about this downgrade being accepted.

Well, it's better to get it right. If the speed was high but it was fake, I wouldn't be too happy.

 

[JohnHendrix212]

Welp, it's been more than 10 hours. This should be accepted and applied now.

Y'all should probably decide how to go about the new scaling and rating, since you still have a lot of work to do.