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Big Speed Revisions
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It is argued that moving in absence of time is above moving infinite distance in finite time. If this is accurate, the distinction could be mentioned in the definition of infinite speed. If it is accurate, once again.
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=> X = K*0 => X*0 = K*0*0 <=> X*0 = K * (0*0) <=> X*0 = K*0 => 0=X*0 = X for X > 0. So all finite numbers are equal to 0. Nice. With that follows (aleph_0)/X = (aleph_0) <=> (aleph_0)/0=(aleph_0). Assuming (aleph_0)/0  X/0, for monotonicity reasons, we get K  (aleph_0)/0 = (aleph_0) < K => K < KTestAcer said:
So not only is K not greater than (aleph_0), but it is also smaller than itself.
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Fun aside, I am currently at uni and have work later. But I'm going to have a more serious look at this once I have time.
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So as I already demonstrated in my prior comment the mathematical part of the argumentation certainly doesn't hold.
For the general case the question is: Why is moving in a timeless void even considered a feat for infinite (read: more than finite) speed?
For example in cases such a Gold Experience Requiem I would argue that it is, because King Crimson erases the time between events A and B, making it so that they are instantly after each other. Meaning moving in this erased time (between event A and B) is performing movement between two instants.
In this case we can reason infinite speed as a simple limes process. That is to say, we conclude that for any finite speed the timeframe for said movement would take a longer timeframe, hence the speed has to be infinite.
But limes to infinite are all the same. Moving infinite distance in finite time is also a limes process and so is moving infinite distance in 0 time.
So all those things are the same speed. Hence infinite speed doesn't need separate levels, as it's all the same speed.
For the general case the question is: Why is moving in a timeless void even considered a feat for infinite (read: more than finite) speed?
For example in cases such a Gold Experience Requiem I would argue that it is, because King Crimson erases the time between events A and B, making it so that they are instantly after each other. Meaning moving in this erased time (between event A and B) is performing movement between two instants.
In this case we can reason infinite speed as a simple limes process. That is to say, we conclude that for any finite speed the timeframe for said movement would take a longer timeframe, hence the speed has to be infinite.
But limes to infinite are all the same. Moving infinite distance in finite time is also a limes process and so is moving infinite distance in 0 time.
So all those things are the same speed. Hence infinite speed doesn't need separate levels, as it's all the same speed.
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@DontTalkDT
Do you think that the Timeless Voids Standards page needs to be adjusted, and if so, in what manner?
Do you think that the Timeless Voids Standards page needs to be adjusted, and if so, in what manner?
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I agree that making a new Tier speed between infinite and immeasurable seems really wonky and unnecessary. And DonTalk makes sense as usual.
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If necessary, it could just be clarified on the Speed page under Note 4 that moving infinite distance in finite time would qualify as infinite speed. But this is just my suggestion so feel free to take it with a grain of salt.
"Note 4:
Characters who showcase the ability to move freely and naturally in a timeless void may or may not qualify for an infinite speed rating.
For specific information, see our Timeless Voids Standards explanation page.
Additionally, characters who can travel an infinite distance in a finite period of time would qualify for infinite speed. The formula for speed is Speed = D/T, if the value of "D" is infinite, the distance travelled would equal infinity. Infinity divided by any finite value of "T", the amount of time that passes, would still remain infinity, thus the character must have at some point moved instanteously, as this cannot be achieved with finite speeds."
"Note 4:
Characters who showcase the ability to move freely and naturally in a timeless void may or may not qualify for an infinite speed rating.
For specific information, see our Timeless Voids Standards explanation page.
Additionally, characters who can travel an infinite distance in a finite period of time would qualify for infinite speed. The formula for speed is Speed = D/T, if the value of "D" is infinite, the distance travelled would equal infinity. Infinity divided by any finite value of "T", the amount of time that passes, would still remain infinity, thus the character must have at some point moved instanteously, as this cannot be achieved with finite speeds."
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@ShadowWarrior1999
I have made a small adjustment, as it was a self-evident requirement: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/index.php?title=Speed&diff=4487233&oldid=4462598
I have made a small adjustment, as it was a self-evident requirement: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/index.php?title=Speed&diff=4487233&oldid=4462598
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Alright that's good.
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Wouldn't this be better?
"Able to move indefinitely while time literally stands still, travel anywhere instantly or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time"
"Able to move indefinitely while time literally stands still, travel anywhere instantly or move an infinite distance within a finite amount of time"
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Well, I asked DontTalkDT if he wants to adjust our Timeless Voids Standards page.
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@Ant Is it okay if I make my minor adjustments to the infinite speed description?
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I think the Timeless Void(s?) Standards are fine.
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Since it has been resolved, yes.
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Sure.
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