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Big Mom vs Kaidou: The Rematch
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Lmao what? That's clearly a perspective shot. We've looking at Onigashima from likely kilometers away, and thats why Bolo breath seems as big as Onigashima. The next page we literally see that same blast being around the size of Luffy, which is consistent with the size it's been at other instances.
This is how big Bolo breath looks every time he uses it:
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This is no different to someone saying "Luffy's fire trail is as big as Onigashima!"
It's a clear perspective shot.
It's a clear perspective shot.
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Btw, the discussion about energy beams is void. Both Big Mom and Kaido would have their beams nullified by each other due to the clash; it would be like clashing sword blows. This has even been shown before in the series between Kaido and Yamato, and we know that neither Kaido nor Big Mom has the ability to overcome the other so simply.
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He just has it varying in size. The BB that destroyed Oden's castle and the one that he shot at giant Luffy were huge.
Gigant Luffy is nearly a kilometer tall and Boro Breath was bigger than him from head to toe
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@Kachon123 Boro Breath moved away from the island horizontally and not towards the PoV to create an illusion by perspective.
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Learning.
I'm always correct so just pick my side
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Giant Luffy was smaller than Kaido. Kaido has only shot huge Bolo Breaths like that when he's in his Full Zoan mode.
If he turns to that, what's stopping Bigger Mom to doing Kaido how she did to Queen, and how Gear 5 Luffy did to Kaido?
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What's stopping her is the very mf she's fighting
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LOL
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I'm sorry but BM body bagging Queen vs Luffy catching Kaido off guard, rubberizing him outta' the blue and Kaido not even knowing what hit him because he thought Luffy was dead are two VERY different situations
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Kaido canonically wins.
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Mmmm
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Honestly I hated how Big Mom was treated on Onigashima.
I have no issue with Kaido portrayed as stronger than her nor Kidd + Law taking her down AT ALL.
But why was her finally move so pathetic omg?? Not to mention why didn't Oda let her use ACoC attacks even ONCE when fighting Kidd and Law on panel?
At least let Misery be 70% the power/size of Flame Drum Dragon man, the gap between two Yonko shouldn't be so laughably big....
I have no issue with Kaido portrayed as stronger than her nor Kidd + Law taking her down AT ALL.
But why was her finally move so pathetic omg?? Not to mention why didn't Oda let her use ACoC attacks even ONCE when fighting Kidd and Law on panel?
At least let Misery be 70% the power/size of Flame Drum Dragon man, the gap between two Yonko shouldn't be so laughably big....
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Oda seems to really hate the female side of the Charlotte Family.
1. All the above stuff about BM (not to mention making her a joke during the Raid BEFORE the actual fighting)
2. Giving Smoothie zero feats/moments of value despite her being in 2 arcs, which neither of the other Sweet Commanders were in.
3. Compote being the only "monster" without stated powers or any cool feats.
Just like the Dressrosa arc, he pushed all the women to the side (well, except BM that is, but she's a goddamn Yonko so that wouldn't have really been possible).
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It is sad to see honestly.
It feels that Big Mom being the secondary antagonist of this arc is the main factor for all these issues, no Yonko should EVER play second fiddle in another Yonko's arc.
It also feels that Oda is afraid that Big Mom and Kidd and Law getting too many impressive feats would take the spotlight away from Luffy vs Kaido.
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Agreed.
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In my opinion I feel he's reserving the greater part of her power for Elbaf. I feel this whole time she didn't take a thing seriously because until the very last second she was STILL underestimating Law and Kidd until she realized she's actually lost.
Watch her be far more serious/Less of a meme in Elbaf >> or this'll age like milk and Big Meme will live on
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Kaido literally stated theres no one capable of taking him down until Luffy beat him. Thus is enough to say Kaido beats Big Mom and i vote Kaido FRA
Btw u could put Hashtags so more people can find this matchup
Btw u could put Hashtags so more people can find this matchup
DaMonkeMan
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I feel like people take a character's own words too literally. Okay so for example:
Say there was this guy who was a professional boxer/fighter, and he was really good at it, one of the best fighters in history. And that same fighter said that they could beat someone like Bruce Lee. Now, ignoring the fact that they technically could because Bruce Lee is long dead and can't defend him self, we have no idea on whether or not they could as Bruce Lee never fought him while he was alive. So how could we even gauge which person is stronger? We just simply can't. Unless we have seen a clear fight between the two while they were both alive, and both were completely serious about beating each other, we'll never know which is stronger.
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Also, I think Big Mom could still be equal to him, and hear me out:
1: She is NOT weaker than Kidd+Law just because they managed to get her off Onigashima, as Law's entire power is focused on BFR. It's more of impressive they could even survive her. But the thing about that loss is, she was getting her bones broken and paralyzed, she couldn't do much against them. If she was up against someone who don't focus on paralyzing, she'd do much better. But because Kidd and Law specifically electrocuted and fried her insides, and broke her bones, she couldn't do much more than watch them attack her. Had she not been removed from the battle field, though, she would have healed and started mopping the floors with everyone exempt from Kaido, Luffy, and possibly Yamato ( as Yamato is not only naturally quite strong, but her powers nullify Prometheus ).
2: She would probably try to behead Kaido if she could, seeing as she's actually done it to people who have crossed her before. Remember, she threatened to behead Zeff if Sanji didn't do what she wanted. Though she didn't come through with it due to certain problems, it was clear she actually would do it without remorse or a second thought, if provoked. Not saying that any of this means she COULD behead Kaido, though. Just saying she likely would try to.
3: She can heal and grow stronger with her own lifespan, so if Kaido melted parts of her body she could just heal and gain them back. And seeing how Whitebeard endured having half of his head melted off by Akainu, I doubt she wouldn't be able to heal the same injury fast enough.
4: Her Homies can provide distractions for her, and help her avoid taking damage, seeing as she can fly instantly with Homies while Kaido has to transform first to do so.
1: She is NOT weaker than Kidd+Law just because they managed to get her off Onigashima, as Law's entire power is focused on BFR. It's more of impressive they could even survive her. But the thing about that loss is, she was getting her bones broken and paralyzed, she couldn't do much against them. If she was up against someone who don't focus on paralyzing, she'd do much better. But because Kidd and Law specifically electrocuted and fried her insides, and broke her bones, she couldn't do much more than watch them attack her. Had she not been removed from the battle field, though, she would have healed and started mopping the floors with everyone exempt from Kaido, Luffy, and possibly Yamato ( as Yamato is not only naturally quite strong, but her powers nullify Prometheus ).
2: She would probably try to behead Kaido if she could, seeing as she's actually done it to people who have crossed her before. Remember, she threatened to behead Zeff if Sanji didn't do what she wanted. Though she didn't come through with it due to certain problems, it was clear she actually would do it without remorse or a second thought, if provoked. Not saying that any of this means she COULD behead Kaido, though. Just saying she likely would try to.
3: She can heal and grow stronger with her own lifespan, so if Kaido melted parts of her body she could just heal and gain them back. And seeing how Whitebeard endured having half of his head melted off by Akainu, I doubt she wouldn't be able to heal the same injury fast enough.
4: Her Homies can provide distractions for her, and help her avoid taking damage, seeing as she can fly instantly with Homies while Kaido has to transform first to do so.
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Injuries like that require her to spend her own life to heal and stun her so bad it's embarrassing compared to Kaido who took a radiation to the heart and an injection shot to the throat and only had off-handed comments to say.
Kaido's Zoan regen alone one ups her because of the fact that he can recover from severe injuries, both internal and external, within seconds.
Kaido isn't getting physically pinned by those two, unlike her. He's shown far greater LS and can just send off Danmaku or self-ignite to fry them if Law tries getting within range for a Puncture Wille. This has nothing to do with Kidd and Law anyway, but you basically said exactly why she's inferior to Kaido in brawls.
Try.
He's shown advanced kenbunshoku unlike her. Things like that aren't hitting unless he lets them.
Nani????
She can heal broken bones yes, but we never saw her REGROW LIMBS.
If he even lets her get to them. Homies like Misery are the biggest nuisance and even then it's not clear whether he'd even be slowed by that considering Misery couldn't even handle Law and Kid. Kaido can blow her apart everytime she tries attacking him even if he doesn't do damage. Dispersing her homies for long enough to get a hit in on her would be enough to even out their fight.
When was "has to transform first" even a downside?
Kaido transformed, flew and danced around Luffy WHILE getting barraged by Hydra, which was damn near blitzing his hybrid form.
He also went from hitting Luffy in hybrid to switching to Zoan literally mid-flip before sending out the demolition gust when he first used Shuron Hakke. Transforming isn't SLOW for Kaido considering he does it as fast as he can fight.
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I think you're mixing up Recovery and Endurance with Regeneration. Him being able to withstand taking a barrage of big fists and being crushed and what not isn't him being able to regenerate, that's him being able to endure those attacks, withstand them, and counter them. Regeneration lets you heal, or regain parts that have been removed. Big Mom can heal AND endure things, but Kaido can only endure things and recover.
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No, Zoans can quite literally heal from wounds.
Marco left three wide gashes on Queen's face and the next page they were gone. Kaido got stabbed in the throat and no injury was visible after. He got stabbed, slashed, and shot several times by the scabbards and not one single wound remained on him.
Zoans can heal wounds. That's always been a thing. You can "recover" but that doesn't close your wounds nigh-immidiately, but Zoans consistently do that.
DaMonkeMan
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Yeah, sure, but Big Mom can do it instantly and to a better effect.
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I won't argue "better effect". Healing internals goes both ways, so I don't doubt Zoans can recover broken bones.
But saying she can do it "instantly" ignores the fact that she has to actively use her life span for that. Kaido doesn't. He can endure far more and recover with virtually zero drawback unlike her
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Do we have enough Kaidou votes for this to be added? I think we do, right?
Not like we need to because he already has the win on his profile
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