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Before I make my second attempt at certain other revisions to Battle for Dream Island, there are a bunch of smaller revisions I want to propose that will probably be easier to reach conclusions about. I packed them all in this one content revision thread. If you disagree with some of the points, the discussion about it probably won't require a lot of effort.
Pie's Intelligence
I think that, even now with “at least Gifted” being Pie's Intelligence rank, her intelligence is underestimated a bit.
I think Pie's intelligence in general is “Above Average” due to her emotionally mature nature, which can be written to introduce that and why, followed by “Genius in mathematics” for the reasons I wrote.
Memories of Mechanical Minds
Characters with mechanical minds should have Photographic Memory listed, due to them being able to store memory. Remote and Robot Flower seem to have impressive memory capabilities, and TV is like a computer capable of storing and loading vote data and footage from previous episodes. Roboty has a mechanical mind too, so despite his lack of feats, this upgrade applies to him too. This upgrade may also apply to Pie with math because of her being able to memorize an infinite amount of digits, and Golf Ball due to easily confirming Robot Flower's counting.
Gaty's Intelligence
Gaty knowing about the gamma ray burst from light years away refracting off Rocky's vomit and vaporizing the Funny Plant at Donut at the end of BFDI:TPOT 4: Gardening Zero should be listed as a different ability than Enhanced Senses. It should be listed as limited Genius Intelligence. The purpose of Gaty telling Donut what happened wasn't because Gaty looked at what happened in outer space, it was because, for the sake of absurd comedy, she was somehow able to easily extrapolate where the gamma ray burst came from upon her observing what happened at Donut, and why it happened. Gaty explained the solution because “it's simple”, not that it was easy to see, but because the circumstances were easy to interpret, which Donut agreed with in hindsight even though he was looking downward the entire time the gamma ray burst came to Earth. Furthermore, Cary Huang, who wrote and helped direct the episode, and who is one of the two creators of the series, said that Gaty is smart for doing what she did.
Gaty normally lacks the context of being a character with outstanding intelligence and this feat seems like an outlier on the surface, but I know a way to make it applicable. Since the feat is a gag where a character is suddenly tremendously smarter than usual, we can add “Genius via Toon Force” to Gaty's Intelligence section. If you don't know what I mean, think of what Patrick Star from SpongeBob SquarePants sometimes does, but it's just a one-off occurrence in Gaty's case, rather than being a consistent part of her characterization.
Barf Bag's Intelligence
Lollipop may downplay Barf Bag's intelligence, but her profile on the VS Battles Wiki overplays it by regarding it as “Above Average”.
Barf Bag's Intelligence rank should be downgraded to “Average” for the reasons I wrote.
Tennis Ball and Basketball's Intelligence
Tennis Ball and Basketball have an interest in science, making discoveries and making inventions. The VS Battles Wiki currently regards them as geniuses, but they actually aren't. I think they should be ranked “Gifted”, or maybe they could even be ranked as “at least Gifted”, but outright “Genius” overplays their intelligence. I'll start by explaining why Tennis Ball isn't a genius.
The conclusion is that, although Tennis Ball and Basketball are very smart, the VS Battles Wiki overestimates them by considering them as geniuses. Their Intelligence ranks should be slightly lower, like I proposed earlier. The characters are experts at science, which should put them at the level of real life people who work in this field in an impressive way. Unlike most people in real life who are like this, Tennis Ball and Basketball do this as a hobby instead of as a job, which makes it slightly more impressive.
Coiny's Intelligence
I think Coiny should be ranked as outright “Above Average” intelligence. This rank starts being clear when all the evidence is put together.
Coiny has proven to be an efficient teammate and leader not only during BFDIA, but during the entire series after that. Coiny reassuring Pin during BFB 6: Four Goes Too Far led to Pin reassuring her team during BFB 8: Questions Answered, which was the reason the team still had motivation after their idol Loser got eliminated. When Needle isn't carrying the team with her athleticism and high speed, Coiny is the one coming up with good ideas and being a leader, which is evident in most TPOT episodes so far.
Fanny's Intelligence
Fanny is smarter than her VS Battles Wiki profile portrays her as.
My conclusion is that Fanny is great at looking into the depth of things, paying attention, and being convincing when she's explaining something. It takes intelligence to successfully be overly-critical like that. I think her Intelligence rank should be upgraded to “Above Average”, for the reasons I wrote.
Taco's Intelligence
Taco's profile on the VS Battles Wiki claims that the Official Character Guide states that, as a natural-acting leader, Taco is clever and resourceful, and will often try to look for quick solutions to problems. The sentiment is in conflict with what the guide actually states.
“Taco naturally acts as a leader, but this doesn't mean she's a good one. She wants her problems resolved quickly, so she often looks for hasty solutions. This leads her expecting too much from the people she leads.”
The Official Character Guide plainly calls Taco an inefficient and hasty leader. Her Intelligence rank should be downgraded to “Average” so it can be in accordance with the truth.
Taco's Hearing
Taco's profile on the VS Battles Wiki claims that she was able to hear Firey on the Sun from Earth, but that's not what happened at all. Taco reacted to Flower, who was on the ground with her, just saying hi to Firey instead of telling him something useful. Following that, Taco yelled to Firey to make the Sun hotter for X, which Firey heard, but we didn't see Taco hearing Firey's answer. Enhanced Senses should be removed from the profile.
Taco's Power
Taco doesn't always use her full power; Taco only got out of the jawbreaker after trying very hard, and was previously trapped there between BFB 2: Lick Your Way to Freedom and BFB 3: Why Would You Do This on a Swingset. This explains why Teardrop couldn't escape the jawbreaker she was in despite being comparable to Taco, as shown during BFB 1: Getting Teardrop to Talk; Teardrop is only comparable to the average power of Taco. The jawbreakers are supposed to have impressive durability, so if characters were comparable to the full power of Taco, proper powerscaling would result in most characters being superior to the jawbreakers, contradicting their purpose of being superior to the other characters.
I propose that Taco has some sort of “higher at her peak” rank added to her profile, so her power to break jawbreakers can be differentiated from her usual power.
Winner's Climbing
I think that Winner climbing up the side of Two's hotel during BFDI:TPOT 1: You Know Those Buttons Don't Do Anything, Right? counts as Acrobatics, which should be listed on their profile. (When originally making the profile, I mistook it for Surface Scaling, which I was informed to remove, then I later realized that it was actually Acrobatics, but didn't propose this revision until now.)
“Aw, Seriously?!”
David is regarded as having Electricity Manipulation due to the yellow lines that used to appear when he yelled his catchphrase “Aw, seriously?!” very loudly during BFDI 17: The Reveal. However, those yellow lines probably represented soundwaves, not electricity. Modern graphics further demonstrate this idea with a more powerful David, during BFDI:TPOT 4: Gardening Zero, where a giant David did the strongest “Aw, seriously?!” yet, and the force was represented differently, with white non-electricity-looking omnidirectional waves. The yellow lines of the past were just a form of Sound Manipulation, so Electricity Manipulation should be removed from David's profile.
Four and Gravity
Four has a Resistance to Deconstruction due to being able to touch Black Hole without a problem, which is already listed on his profile, but this is also a Resistance to Gravity Manipulation and that's not listed on his profile, so I propose that it gets listed. More evidence is that, Four was unbothered by being on the Sun, and the gravity there is far stronger than on Earth due to its far larger size. This should also apply to X, because he was there too.
Contestants on the Sun
Contestants being on the Sun is way too consistent to simply dismiss as plot-induced stupidity. It became quite a common location in BFDI. Lollipop has been on the Sun three times so far! The first time during BFB 20: A Taste of Space, the second time during BFB 26: The Hidden Contestant, and the third time during BFB 30: Chapter Complete. Many other contestants have been on the Sun too, of course. During BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes, Fries went on the Sun to try growing a Funny Plant, as one of Two's Funny Plant revival ideas.
The problem has always been that characters have consistently been weak against getting melted and burned, but I have a solution. It should be mentioned as a justification for the Toon Force of the characters that they are unaffected by the dangerous effects of the Sun specifically. This way, we can regard them as being able to be on the Sun as if it's a regular location, while maintaining the fact that they are susceptible to burns and melting.
Non-Physical Interaction
Non-Physical Interaction is the ability that used to be what the characters had as listed instead of their manipulation of elements such as fire and electricity, for the same justification, being that characters can physically interact with and move characters such as Firey and Lightning, who are made of fire and lightning respectively. The ability listed was changed from Non-Physical Interaction to the manipulation of elements because someone who seemed to not even be familiar with BFDI wrote that the ability seems like that in their opinion, and everyone else found this good. However, I think Non-Physical Interaction is more accurate, and I have reasons.
The ability itself isn't the manipulation of the different states of matter. The characters aren't portrayed as elemental benders in any circumstances; they're portrayed as being able to treat all characters as solid regardless of if those characters have solid bodies or not. In “Elemental Intangibility”, the characters circumvent the “Intangibility”, not control the “Elemental”. The ability to treat non-solid states of matter as solid is Non-Physical Interaction.
Retracting Limbs and Faces
There's two small accepted details about the limbs that I want to propose the removal of in this thread. “Objects are capable of growing and retracting their limbs. When an object dies, their limbs and face disappear, most likely because they have been automatically retracted.” This is a quote justifying characters having Body Control, but there are flaws with it.
Out of the evidence for common Body Control among object characters that is currently in place, there should only be the one with Gelatin growing extra arms, and seemingly being able to make them disappear afterward.
Fragile Characters
Much like Bubble, Ice Cube and Balloony, there are other characters who are portrayed as fragile, yet on the VS Battles Wiki, the durability of those other characters are completely scaled to the average tier 4, when that should only apply to their limbs. Their object bodies should be below average.
Foldy Isn't Acid-Free
Foldy shouldn't be regarded as having a Resistance to acid. The justification for the Resistance is that, during BFDI:TPOT 1: You Know Those Buttons Don't Do Anything, Right?, Foldy survived Rocky vomiting on her, followed by her saying “Aw, flap! I'm not acid-free anymore!”. Rocky's vomit is often a dangerous acid, so the Resistance seems to make sense when interpreted a certain way. However, I'm pretty sure that's not what truly happened. Vomit is acidic in nature, and acid isn't always anywhere near lethal. As the vomit came out of Rocky's mouth, before it hit Foldy, it was visually the dark green non-lethal vomit that has been shown many times in the past to not be dangerous. What landed on Foldy didn't seem to be steamy and melty like Rocky's lethal vomit, so it seems that Foldy made a pun only in reference to Rocky's lethal acid vomit, without the vomit actually being lethal. Besides, Foldy is portrayed as fragile, so it's odd for her to inexplicably resist something that kills most other characters. Same with Eggy, who got some of the vomit on her face when Foldy shook.
TPOT Elimination
Now, instead of Two “possibly” having existence erasure, we can regard them as “likely” having existence erasure. Cary Huang, one of the creators of the series, said that Two deletes the eliminated contestants, during his reaction video to BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes. However, despite his sure tone, he seemed to be only saying that based on what he observed, rather than giving a confirmation about it as an insider, like last time. Additionally, the idea of Two erasing the eliminated contestants still has information conflicting with it. Two said that they might send Pie some of the cake that The Strongest Team on Earth didn't eat during BFDI:TPOT 3: Getting Puffball To Think About Rollercoasters, which probably wouldn't have made sense if Pie got erased as her elimination. Bottle confidently said that the eliminated contestants don't die during BFDI:TPOT 4: Gardening Zero, although she had no way of knowing for sure. We still can't be sure of what happens to the eliminated TPOT characters, but either way, this isn't the first time Cary has said something like this, so we should put a little more value into the idea that Two erases the eliminated contestants.
Yoyle Dance
During BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes, Marker said that he took a class in Yoyle Dance that taught him to communicate through dance. This was his plan for communicating underwater, and he casually asked Fanny and Tree to read the book to learn it too, which they did quickly and they immediately became as skilled as Marker. Fanny and Tree demonstrated Accelerated Development, and the context seems to imply that pretty much any character could do the same. If this weren't a common ability, then what Marker said would've been a foolish plan.
Additionally, the three characters who know how to communicate using Yoyle Dance have the intelligence feat of being fluent in an additional language, because, of course, they also know how to fluently communicate in English.
Machines Aren't Water-Proof
During BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes, TV and Robot Flower broke when water touched them. It seems that mechanical characters have a weakness to water, especially since before that, Robot Flower said that she's weak to water because she's electric. That's intuitive. This weakness applies to TV, Robot Flower, Remote and Roboty.
Timestamps in References
If all evidence in the BFDI pages is to be given references, the References section will end up being cluttered with repetitive evidence if there is to be different references for different timestamps of the same episode. It isn't always necessary to add the timestamps when possible. The standard format for animated series and webseries doesn't include the timestamp of evidence. I think the primary purpose of references is to prevent linked evidence from becoming invalid in the case that links become broken. I think timestamps in references are best applied to fictional works that are depicted by a long movie, or a few long movies. It states so in the standard format for movies. These may just be standard formats, but diverting from them is to adjust the standard format to suit specific fictional works, and I find that adding timestamps to the BFDI pages only worsens them and makes adding references more tedious.
I would like to redo the references in the BFDI pages, with the previous paragraph in mind.
Pie's Intelligence
I think that, even now with “at least Gifted” being Pie's Intelligence rank, her intelligence is underestimated a bit.
- In the Official Character Guide, it was stated that Pie memorized all the digits of pi. That number has infinite decimal digits, which is surely what's referred to since it only has a one digit whole number. This is acknowledged by Pie's profile on the VS Battles Wiki, but I feel like it doesn't fully realize that humans in real life have yet to be capable of doing this even using technology, meaning Pie's memory is superior to all of humanity's memory capabilities. That is clearly far beyond being an expert mathematician, so Pie deserves more than an “at least Gifted” in this regard.
- However, it seems that Pie memorizing pi might be taking up too much of her memory capabilities to be applicable with other topics. Remote was the one who was keeping track of the death prevention count of the Death PACT group while Pie was a member during both iterations of the group. It's possible that this was just because Remote is a machine whose mind requires no stamina to perfectly keep count, so she's a preferred counter over Pie anyway, but it's still worth mentioning. Pie also didn't remember what Liy was a switch for.
- The clever way Pie completed the staircase challenge of BFB 11: Get to the Top in 500 Steps is treated by the VS Battles Wiki as clever, what it is on a surface level, but it is truly even more than that. The depth behind it reveals that this is actually a remarkable feat of intelligence. Pie thought of her idea in extremely difficult circumstances. The circumstances were stressful because not only was Pie under pressure about completing the challenge alone to get her entire team safe, when only her and one opponent remained, she also needed to worry about her team's death prevention moral compass, including preventing her own death. She ended up intentionally falling off the stairs to use Black Hole's gravitational pull to sling herself in front of her opponent and get her team safe; as later demonstrated during BFDI:TPOT 1: You Know Those Buttons Don't Do Anything, Right?, slinging oneself using Black Hole's gravitational pull is risky and requires skill when there is a lack of an extreme height, which was the case when Pie did so during BFB 11, further proving Pie's math mastery, this time of physics. On top of all of that, despite Pie caring about the circumstances, she needed to stay mellow while doing it, or else she would've exploded due to being an explosive blueberry pie. Pie has learned to always be relaxed because of her physiology, and this feat demonstrated that she can remain calm and focused even in extremely intense situations involving using her skill.
- Although Pie phrased it in an inconvenient way, she was actually correct when addressing Golf Ball's hypocrisy about her perception of the hosts. Golf Ball questioned the nature of Two when they first arrived, then Pie pointed out that they don't know those answers about Four even though Golf Ball “built a rocket to the moon to obey Four”, followed by Golf Ball realizing her previous fallacy and being defensive about how she has improved her way of thinking. Although Donut was the host when Golf Ball used the rocket, that was only when she used it. Golf Ball had created the rocket before Donut became the host, and Golf Ball still admitted that she created the rocket specifically for BFB, which was ultimately Four's show anyway.
- No matter how you slice it, Pie thought ahead of Golf Ball in some way. Even if she phrased what she said oddly, obviously the intention of the scene was to show that Pie is smart. It's nowhere near enough evidence to put Pie at Golf Ball's level of intelligence, but it's still worth mentioning. I don't think it's a coincidence that it was Pie of all characters who was the one to do this to Golf Ball. I think this was a demonstration of Pie's calm and rational way of thinking that allows her to think even more carefully than Golf Ball.
I think Pie's intelligence in general is “Above Average” due to her emotionally mature nature, which can be written to introduce that and why, followed by “Genius in mathematics” for the reasons I wrote.
Memories of Mechanical Minds
Characters with mechanical minds should have Photographic Memory listed, due to them being able to store memory. Remote and Robot Flower seem to have impressive memory capabilities, and TV is like a computer capable of storing and loading vote data and footage from previous episodes. Roboty has a mechanical mind too, so despite his lack of feats, this upgrade applies to him too. This upgrade may also apply to Pie with math because of her being able to memorize an infinite amount of digits, and Golf Ball due to easily confirming Robot Flower's counting.
Gaty's Intelligence
Gaty knowing about the gamma ray burst from light years away refracting off Rocky's vomit and vaporizing the Funny Plant at Donut at the end of BFDI:TPOT 4: Gardening Zero should be listed as a different ability than Enhanced Senses. It should be listed as limited Genius Intelligence. The purpose of Gaty telling Donut what happened wasn't because Gaty looked at what happened in outer space, it was because, for the sake of absurd comedy, she was somehow able to easily extrapolate where the gamma ray burst came from upon her observing what happened at Donut, and why it happened. Gaty explained the solution because “it's simple”, not that it was easy to see, but because the circumstances were easy to interpret, which Donut agreed with in hindsight even though he was looking downward the entire time the gamma ray burst came to Earth. Furthermore, Cary Huang, who wrote and helped direct the episode, and who is one of the two creators of the series, said that Gaty is smart for doing what she did.
Gaty normally lacks the context of being a character with outstanding intelligence and this feat seems like an outlier on the surface, but I know a way to make it applicable. Since the feat is a gag where a character is suddenly tremendously smarter than usual, we can add “Genius via Toon Force” to Gaty's Intelligence section. If you don't know what I mean, think of what Patrick Star from SpongeBob SquarePants sometimes does, but it's just a one-off occurrence in Gaty's case, rather than being a consistent part of her characterization.
Barf Bag's Intelligence
Lollipop may downplay Barf Bag's intelligence, but her profile on the VS Battles Wiki overplays it by regarding it as “Above Average”.
- The profile claims that she was able to answer a difficult question for her team during BFB 8: Questions Answered. The supposed difficulty is plainly false, and the Official Character Guide describing the occurrence as impressive was just sarcasm. Donut was biased in favor of his team and gave Barf Bag a question that only she and her team would know the answer to. The question was absurd for the other teams, but was designed to be easy for Barf Bag to answer, as compensation for her not being as quick-witted as the other contestants. Lollipop claimed that it was because of the barf molecules, but I don't know if that's true.
- Barf Bag was able to scientifically show why she isn't unintelligent. Although it's true that she isn't unintelligent, the depth of her research is unclear, so it shouldn't be assumed to be a display of above average intelligence. The individual detail of researching known science to defend oneself in an argument isn't that impressive by default.
- Barf Bag cares about her teammates, but this is only a characteristic of someone with approximately average intelligence.
- A feat that the profile currently doesn't mention is that, during BFB 14: Don't Dig Straight Down, Barf Bag was able to correctly figure out that the pool of water in the underground forest was near a source of heat, because the water was hot, and water doesn't get so hot without a reason. This is useful information that should be added to the profile. Also, it's interesting how this occurred when Barf Bag had water in her instead of barf. Maybe Lollipop wasn't as wrong as we thought!
Barf Bag's Intelligence rank should be downgraded to “Average” for the reasons I wrote.
Tennis Ball and Basketball's Intelligence
Tennis Ball and Basketball have an interest in science, making discoveries and making inventions. The VS Battles Wiki currently regards them as geniuses, but they actually aren't. I think they should be ranked “Gifted”, or maybe they could even be ranked as “at least Gifted”, but outright “Genius” overplays their intelligence. I'll start by explaining why Tennis Ball isn't a genius.
- Tennis Ball is great at coming up with ideas. Of course, this alone isn't genius, so we need to look at what else he does to get a good idea of his intelligence.
- Tennis Ball built a good trebuchet sometime before BFB. It was damaged by lava at some point, but during BFDI:TPOT 1: You Know Those Buttons Don't Do Anything, Right?, he was able to rebuild it into a catapult in very few minutes. This shows that Tennis Ball is an expert with this kind of construction, but that doesn't mean he's a genius.
- Tennis Ball invented Grotatos as seen during IDFB 1: Welcome Back. They're genetically modified potatoes that are able to grow in areas with low sunlight levels. This is a brilliant innovation, but we don't know how long it took Tennis Ball to achieve this, and it's a realistic discovery, so it's not evidence of Tennis Ball being a genius.
- Golf Ball, who is the smartest BFDI character, considers Tennis Ball as useful due to Tennis Ball being a loyal true friend. Golf Ball being a genius and considering Tennis Ball as useful, especially for the reason of friendship, isn't evidence that Tennis Ball is also a genius, because usefulness doesn't necessarily have to do with intelligence in this context. This just means that Tennis Ball is the most willing to follow Golf Ball's orders. Tennis Ball also shares Golf Ball's interest in science, and Golf Ball probably sees value in the skill that Tennis Ball does have, but this doesn't mean the two share the same level of skill.
- According to the Official Character Guide, Basketball shares an affinity with Golf Ball and Tennis Ball for scientific exploration, while treating her discoveries more humbly than them. We need to look at what else Basketball does in order to get a good idea of her intelligence, because sharing an interest with people doesn't mean being on par with the skill of those people in that regard.
- During BFB 7: The Liar Ball You Don't Want, while Basketball's team and another team were stuck on the moon as a result of Golf Ball's rocket ship being broken, Basketball inspected Robot Flower for two weeks, and realized that she could interact with Earth by using Robot Flower to send data to the ship's communicator dish, which could be used to hack Remote who was on Earth. This is impressive, but it's also realistically a feat that someone who is a savvy mechanic could achieve without genius intelligence, especially due to the amount of time it took.
- Basketball was able to repair Robot Flower after Robot Flower overheated from briefly swimming in lava. This happened in between BFB 15: The Four is Lava and BFB 16: The Escape from Four. Those episodes were posted months apart from each other, and there isn't a good reason to believe that the time between them was short in this case, so this feat isn't better than Basketball's other feats.
- During BFDI:TPOT 2: The Worst Day of Black Hole's Life, it was shown that Basketball has a “factory” where she helped fix Robot Flower's problem with her call and response function. However, Basketball's Above Ground Factory is truly just a room in Two's hotel with a few computers, and Robot Flower's problem was solved because of happenstance rather than Basketball's skill. This isn't nearly as impressive as the VS Battles Wiki portrays it as.
- During BFDI:TPOT 3: Getting Puffball To Think About Rollercoasters, Basketball was able to create a basic strength test amusement park attraction, made out of blocks, glue and string, in only a few seconds. There isn't anything genius about this, because of how simple the structure is. It's a good display of Basketball's high skill at construction, but it's not enough for her to be considered as a genius.
- During BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes, it was revealed that Basketball and Robot Flower had made mechanical bubbles that characters can go inside to protect them from the dangers of being underwater. On top of how the effort was combined between two characters, we don't know how long it took them to create the machines, so while it's impressive, it's not a display of genius intelligence.
The conclusion is that, although Tennis Ball and Basketball are very smart, the VS Battles Wiki overestimates them by considering them as geniuses. Their Intelligence ranks should be slightly lower, like I proposed earlier. The characters are experts at science, which should put them at the level of real life people who work in this field in an impressive way. Unlike most people in real life who are like this, Tennis Ball and Basketball do this as a hobby instead of as a job, which makes it slightly more impressive.
Coiny's Intelligence
I think Coiny should be ranked as outright “Above Average” intelligence. This rank starts being clear when all the evidence is put together.
Coiny has proven to be an efficient teammate and leader not only during BFDIA, but during the entire series after that. Coiny reassuring Pin during BFB 6: Four Goes Too Far led to Pin reassuring her team during BFB 8: Questions Answered, which was the reason the team still had motivation after their idol Loser got eliminated. When Needle isn't carrying the team with her athleticism and high speed, Coiny is the one coming up with good ideas and being a leader, which is evident in most TPOT episodes so far.
- During BFDI:TPOT 1: You Know Those Buttons Don't Do Anything, Right?, Coiny observed Winner acrobatically climbing the side of Two's hotel to quickly get to the top, and came up with a successful plan to do the same with his sharp teammates.
- During BFDI:TPOT 2: The Worst Day of Black Hole's Life, Coiny got creative with stacking blocks, and decided to use glue to stick them together. The strategy was debatable, but it ended up not being against the rules.
- During BFDI:TPOT 3: Getting Puffball To Think About Rollercoasters, Coiny heard Eggy briefly think of making a restaurant, and decided to use that as what his team would build for that challenge. It was a good idea, and it almost worked until the restaurant got destroyed by Teardrop and Eraser fighting.
- During BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes, Coiny thought of using the Internet to buy a specific item that would help his team retrieve a lost plate that his team needed to get as the challenge.
Fanny's Intelligence
Fanny is smarter than her VS Battles Wiki profile portrays her as.
- Although Fanny firmly hates everything, it's not because of a foolish anger she can't control. Fanny does this because of a philosophy.
- Fanny has shown to be analytical of people on multiple occasions, in order to reveal their mistakes, which she notices before anyone else does. This leads to many other contestants siding with her because of how convincing she is, which is a form of Social Influencing.
- During BFB 7: The Liar Ball You Don't Want, Fanny noticed that Loser was lying about having previously played with popular new toys. The Official Character Guide claims that Loser is so skilled at playing with toys that he can do so before they were even invented, but I think that was just a joke.
- During BFB 16: The Escape from Four, Fanny pointed out that Four was only manipulating the contestants by switching the prize, revealing his lack of integrity.
- During BFDI:TPOT 1: You Know Those Buttons Don't Do Anything, Right?, after other contestants were questioning whether or not they made the right decision switching to TPOT, Fanny explained why Four is untrustworthy, which made them quickly change their minds. Fries noted that Fanny has an admirable spirit of a leader. At the end of that same episode, Fanny pointed out that Two didn't speak loud enough for the contestants to hear the extra rule of the challenge, which caused some of the teams to strategize inefficiently. This led to the characters beating up Two.
- During BFDI:TPOT 2: The Worst Day of Black Hole's Life, Fanny had good shrewdness about the progression speed of the show. Teardrop only got to join the show as an exception.
My conclusion is that Fanny is great at looking into the depth of things, paying attention, and being convincing when she's explaining something. It takes intelligence to successfully be overly-critical like that. I think her Intelligence rank should be upgraded to “Above Average”, for the reasons I wrote.
Taco's Intelligence
Taco's profile on the VS Battles Wiki claims that the Official Character Guide states that, as a natural-acting leader, Taco is clever and resourceful, and will often try to look for quick solutions to problems. The sentiment is in conflict with what the guide actually states.
“Taco naturally acts as a leader, but this doesn't mean she's a good one. She wants her problems resolved quickly, so she often looks for hasty solutions. This leads her expecting too much from the people she leads.”
The Official Character Guide plainly calls Taco an inefficient and hasty leader. Her Intelligence rank should be downgraded to “Average” so it can be in accordance with the truth.
Taco's Hearing
Taco's profile on the VS Battles Wiki claims that she was able to hear Firey on the Sun from Earth, but that's not what happened at all. Taco reacted to Flower, who was on the ground with her, just saying hi to Firey instead of telling him something useful. Following that, Taco yelled to Firey to make the Sun hotter for X, which Firey heard, but we didn't see Taco hearing Firey's answer. Enhanced Senses should be removed from the profile.
Taco's Power
Taco doesn't always use her full power; Taco only got out of the jawbreaker after trying very hard, and was previously trapped there between BFB 2: Lick Your Way to Freedom and BFB 3: Why Would You Do This on a Swingset. This explains why Teardrop couldn't escape the jawbreaker she was in despite being comparable to Taco, as shown during BFB 1: Getting Teardrop to Talk; Teardrop is only comparable to the average power of Taco. The jawbreakers are supposed to have impressive durability, so if characters were comparable to the full power of Taco, proper powerscaling would result in most characters being superior to the jawbreakers, contradicting their purpose of being superior to the other characters.
I propose that Taco has some sort of “higher at her peak” rank added to her profile, so her power to break jawbreakers can be differentiated from her usual power.
Winner's Climbing
I think that Winner climbing up the side of Two's hotel during BFDI:TPOT 1: You Know Those Buttons Don't Do Anything, Right? counts as Acrobatics, which should be listed on their profile. (When originally making the profile, I mistook it for Surface Scaling, which I was informed to remove, then I later realized that it was actually Acrobatics, but didn't propose this revision until now.)
“Aw, Seriously?!”
David is regarded as having Electricity Manipulation due to the yellow lines that used to appear when he yelled his catchphrase “Aw, seriously?!” very loudly during BFDI 17: The Reveal. However, those yellow lines probably represented soundwaves, not electricity. Modern graphics further demonstrate this idea with a more powerful David, during BFDI:TPOT 4: Gardening Zero, where a giant David did the strongest “Aw, seriously?!” yet, and the force was represented differently, with white non-electricity-looking omnidirectional waves. The yellow lines of the past were just a form of Sound Manipulation, so Electricity Manipulation should be removed from David's profile.
Four and Gravity
Four has a Resistance to Deconstruction due to being able to touch Black Hole without a problem, which is already listed on his profile, but this is also a Resistance to Gravity Manipulation and that's not listed on his profile, so I propose that it gets listed. More evidence is that, Four was unbothered by being on the Sun, and the gravity there is far stronger than on Earth due to its far larger size. This should also apply to X, because he was there too.
Contestants on the Sun
Contestants being on the Sun is way too consistent to simply dismiss as plot-induced stupidity. It became quite a common location in BFDI. Lollipop has been on the Sun three times so far! The first time during BFB 20: A Taste of Space, the second time during BFB 26: The Hidden Contestant, and the third time during BFB 30: Chapter Complete. Many other contestants have been on the Sun too, of course. During BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes, Fries went on the Sun to try growing a Funny Plant, as one of Two's Funny Plant revival ideas.
The problem has always been that characters have consistently been weak against getting melted and burned, but I have a solution. It should be mentioned as a justification for the Toon Force of the characters that they are unaffected by the dangerous effects of the Sun specifically. This way, we can regard them as being able to be on the Sun as if it's a regular location, while maintaining the fact that they are susceptible to burns and melting.
Non-Physical Interaction
Non-Physical Interaction is the ability that used to be what the characters had as listed instead of their manipulation of elements such as fire and electricity, for the same justification, being that characters can physically interact with and move characters such as Firey and Lightning, who are made of fire and lightning respectively. The ability listed was changed from Non-Physical Interaction to the manipulation of elements because someone who seemed to not even be familiar with BFDI wrote that the ability seems like that in their opinion, and everyone else found this good. However, I think Non-Physical Interaction is more accurate, and I have reasons.
The ability itself isn't the manipulation of the different states of matter. The characters aren't portrayed as elemental benders in any circumstances; they're portrayed as being able to treat all characters as solid regardless of if those characters have solid bodies or not. In “Elemental Intangibility”, the characters circumvent the “Intangibility”, not control the “Elemental”. The ability to treat non-solid states of matter as solid is Non-Physical Interaction.
Retracting Limbs and Faces
There's two small accepted details about the limbs that I want to propose the removal of in this thread. “Objects are capable of growing and retracting their limbs. When an object dies, their limbs and face disappear, most likely because they have been automatically retracted.” This is a quote justifying characters having Body Control, but there are flaws with it.
- Winner's arm is apparently special, and Winner has the ability of absorption due to the special nature of their object body, unlike most other characters. We can infer that the additional limbs Gelatin grew can be retracted or easily removed anyway, because of how he didn't have his extra limbs in the next scene he appeared in soon after he grew them. It isn't favorable to use Winner's arm as inaccurate evidence, and it's unnecessary, so the evidence should be removed.
- When characters die, their limbs and face have been shown to no longer be there. The VS Battles Wiki regards that as the body parts retracting, but this is an assumption, since we've never actually seen what happens to those body parts aside from them not being visible anymore. There have also been many times when the parts didn't disappear after the death of a character, with the body parts staying on the corpses, so this seems to just be a choice of drawing style, rather than a consistent function of the bodies of the characters. (Although the bodies of FreeSmart members in the Goiky Canal were revealed nine years later to have lost their limbs and faces when they were seen again during BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes, this was over a long period of time, so it was unlikely to be a result of Body Control limb retraction at that point.) Also, when Bubble pops and Ice Cube shatters, we see that their limbs and faces disappear along with their object bodies, rather than falling off as a result of there being insufficient time and a lack of stability in the object bodies for the limbs and faces to retract.
Out of the evidence for common Body Control among object characters that is currently in place, there should only be the one with Gelatin growing extra arms, and seemingly being able to make them disappear afterward.
Fragile Characters
Much like Bubble, Ice Cube and Balloony, there are other characters who are portrayed as fragile, yet on the VS Battles Wiki, the durability of those other characters are completely scaled to the average tier 4, when that should only apply to their limbs. Their object bodies should be below average.
- Eggy's introduction during BFDI 17: The Reveal was her getting broken by a ball thrown from off-screen. This being her introduction is the show's way of setting up the context that Eggy is fragile and easy to break. Furthermore, Book's definition shown during BFDI 18: Reveal Novum of Eggy is that she cracks too easily. Otherwise, Eggy hasn't been shown to crack very often, but she hasn't been shown to be as tough as the majority of the other characters either, so the information available portraying her as fragile means her object body should be similar to other fragile characters.
- Foldy was shredded to pieces by the propeller on X's basket during BFB 1: Getting Teardrop to Talk. During BFB 7: The Liar Ball You Don't Want, Woody was able to tear Foldy with hardly any effort, and Woody is the most nervous contestant. During BFB 12: What Do You Think of Roleplay?, Foldy was also easily unfolded by Ruby, and is very flimsy in an unfolded state. Foldy seems to only be able to keep up with other contestants using her legs, most notably shown when confronting Flower during BFB 11: Get to the Top in 500 Steps.
- In the Official Character Guide, it's stated that Bottle can only be shattered with the power of “bottle flipping”. The “only” is misleading, because that's definitely far from the only way to kill her, but it provides the context of Bottle having a weakness of being easy to shatter. Bottle has been shown to shatter easily many times.
- Cake is portrayed as more easy to smudge than most characters. (For the first linked evidence, although the blocks crushing the characters during BFDI:TPOT 3: Getting Puffball To Think About Rollercoasters isn't the best way to judge their super durability, I have a reason to believe that the comparison is still valid. Multiple characters actually survived getting crushed by individual blocks, and those characters aren't portrayed as fragile, whereas Cake didn't survive the one block that fell on him, and cakes aren't known for being stable objects.)
Foldy Isn't Acid-Free
Foldy shouldn't be regarded as having a Resistance to acid. The justification for the Resistance is that, during BFDI:TPOT 1: You Know Those Buttons Don't Do Anything, Right?, Foldy survived Rocky vomiting on her, followed by her saying “Aw, flap! I'm not acid-free anymore!”. Rocky's vomit is often a dangerous acid, so the Resistance seems to make sense when interpreted a certain way. However, I'm pretty sure that's not what truly happened. Vomit is acidic in nature, and acid isn't always anywhere near lethal. As the vomit came out of Rocky's mouth, before it hit Foldy, it was visually the dark green non-lethal vomit that has been shown many times in the past to not be dangerous. What landed on Foldy didn't seem to be steamy and melty like Rocky's lethal vomit, so it seems that Foldy made a pun only in reference to Rocky's lethal acid vomit, without the vomit actually being lethal. Besides, Foldy is portrayed as fragile, so it's odd for her to inexplicably resist something that kills most other characters. Same with Eggy, who got some of the vomit on her face when Foldy shook.
TPOT Elimination
Now, instead of Two “possibly” having existence erasure, we can regard them as “likely” having existence erasure. Cary Huang, one of the creators of the series, said that Two deletes the eliminated contestants, during his reaction video to BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes. However, despite his sure tone, he seemed to be only saying that based on what he observed, rather than giving a confirmation about it as an insider, like last time. Additionally, the idea of Two erasing the eliminated contestants still has information conflicting with it. Two said that they might send Pie some of the cake that The Strongest Team on Earth didn't eat during BFDI:TPOT 3: Getting Puffball To Think About Rollercoasters, which probably wouldn't have made sense if Pie got erased as her elimination. Bottle confidently said that the eliminated contestants don't die during BFDI:TPOT 4: Gardening Zero, although she had no way of knowing for sure. We still can't be sure of what happens to the eliminated TPOT characters, but either way, this isn't the first time Cary has said something like this, so we should put a little more value into the idea that Two erases the eliminated contestants.
Yoyle Dance
During BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes, Marker said that he took a class in Yoyle Dance that taught him to communicate through dance. This was his plan for communicating underwater, and he casually asked Fanny and Tree to read the book to learn it too, which they did quickly and they immediately became as skilled as Marker. Fanny and Tree demonstrated Accelerated Development, and the context seems to imply that pretty much any character could do the same. If this weren't a common ability, then what Marker said would've been a foolish plan.
Additionally, the three characters who know how to communicate using Yoyle Dance have the intelligence feat of being fluent in an additional language, because, of course, they also know how to fluently communicate in English.
Machines Aren't Water-Proof
During BFDI:TPOT 5: Fishes and Dishes, TV and Robot Flower broke when water touched them. It seems that mechanical characters have a weakness to water, especially since before that, Robot Flower said that she's weak to water because she's electric. That's intuitive. This weakness applies to TV, Robot Flower, Remote and Roboty.
Timestamps in References
If all evidence in the BFDI pages is to be given references, the References section will end up being cluttered with repetitive evidence if there is to be different references for different timestamps of the same episode. It isn't always necessary to add the timestamps when possible. The standard format for animated series and webseries doesn't include the timestamp of evidence. I think the primary purpose of references is to prevent linked evidence from becoming invalid in the case that links become broken. I think timestamps in references are best applied to fictional works that are depicted by a long movie, or a few long movies. It states so in the standard format for movies. These may just be standard formats, but diverting from them is to adjust the standard format to suit specific fictional works, and I find that adding timestamps to the BFDI pages only worsens them and makes adding references more tedious.
I would like to redo the references in the BFDI pages, with the previous paragraph in mind.
