Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) vs The Counter-Actor

[Huesito88]

Battle takes place in the Beyonder Realm (both 1-A), hopefully this isn't a stomp

 

[Quantu]

Well, The Choushin don't really have anything spectacular that the Beyonder doesn't, abilities wise. That Prob manipulation could do something I guess.

The Beyonder is also very much above baseline, as beings such as Oblivion are microbes to him and he is stronger than everyone in the Marvel Multiverse combined x1000000.

How high above baseline are The Choushin?

 

[Huesito88]

Oh Should I changed this to The Counter-Actor then?

 

[Quantu]

Maybe, Idk about a lot of Tenchi Muyo characters lol. I'm not voting btw.

 

[AzathothHP]

" he is stronger than everyone in the Marvel Multiverse combined x1000000." Wasn't that back when the current Marvel characters were weak in comparison to now? The living tribunal for example?

 

[Lightbuster30]

Just realized something. Oblivion existed before the multimeter. He is essentially the void that multiverses exist on. Beyomders multiverse, while beyond dimensional, is still inside Oblivion. Wouldn't that make Oblivion hilariously above baseline?

 

[Huesito88]

Bump

 

[TheSandman31]

Just realized something. Oblivion existed before the multimeter. He is essentially the void that multiverses exist on. Beyomders multiverse, while beyond dimensional, is still inside Oblivion. Wouldn't that make Oblivion hilariously above baseline?

Apparently not, because it's written on Beyonder's profile that he could be stronger than Oblivion

 

[Huesito88]

Bump

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

@Azathoth HP

There are some characters from back then are 1-A. Merlyn for example has an explicit " Beyond the concept of time and space " feat , but an aspect of a Universal Cosmic Abstract curbstomped a far stronger variant of Merlyn . Heck of an outlier though.

Also Likely Inconclusive for this match.

 

[Huesito88]

Bump Also what's your reasons

 

[ProspectX]

Hm, the counter-actor was equal to the a combined force of the three-chousin and only Kami Tenchi could cease her rage.

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

Technically Beyonder is far superior to someone far superior to All of the Abstracts ( including Oblivion currently ) . Including Oblivion in the Millions times stronger statements , he should oneshot here.

 

[TheSandman31]

Well, in 1-A matches, I think its not as simple as x is stronger than y.

A 1-A that doesnt scale to anyone could still defeat a 1-A who is stronger than numerous 1-A if he is qualitatively superior

 

[The_2nd_Existential_Seed]

With all due respect Sandman :

Beyonder casually is millions times stronger than someone than a baseline 1-A [ Casually 1-A x Million ]

Counter-Actor is stronger than 3 baseline Outerversals combined [ Casually 1-A x 3 ]

Both of them have similar hax.

Shouldn't this be a oneshot ?

 

[Lightbuster30]

With all due respect Sandman :

Beyonder casually is millions times stronger than someone than a baseline 1-A [ Casually 1-A x Million ]

Counter-Actor is stronger than 3 baseline Outerversals combined [ Casually 1-A x 3 ]

Both of them have similar hax.

Shouldn't this be a oneshot ?

More like "Millions of x stronger than a guy who transcends 1-A illusions."

 

[TheSandman31]

With all due respect Sandman :
Beyonder casually is millions times stronger than someone than a baseline 1-A [ Casually 1-A x Million ]

Counter-Actor is stronger than 3 baseline Outerversals combined [ Casually 1-A x 3 ]

Both of them have similar hax.

Shouldn't this be a oneshot ?

What I'm talking about is powerscaling isnt everything in this tier as the difference between outerversal characters can be infinite so being above numerous outervsal characters wont mean anything if your opponent is someone that exists on a plane higher than yours like in the Overvoid

Also, I'm not even arguing that Counter Actor would win, just that in a tier 1 match, qualitative superiority is always better than quantitative

I also think that Beyonder take this

@lightbuster

How are his illusions 1-A?

 

[Lightbuster30]

Can't remember who, but one person he sent to a world of absolute nothingness IE his realm. Turns out it was an illusion of his realm.

 

[TheSandman31]

Cant see how that makes it 1-A but Oblivion is definitely not a baseline and so are characters like Mother Night or Pralaya

 

[Huesito88]

Bump

 

[ProspectX]

Hm, note that the Counter-Actor can bypass/negate the characteristics of Omnipresence.

 

[ProspectX]

The counter-actor is transdual, so ask yourself what could the Beyonder do here?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Beyonder wins by being way above oblivion and being able to merge with existence casually.

 

[ProspectX]

Huh, no. The Counter-Actor hided her presence from the transdual and Omnipresent Choushin. The Beyonder can't touch the Counter-Actor, yet even combat her.