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Berserk tiering issues

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SpookyShadow said:
Succeeded in adding the new tiering, high tier Berserk is now 8-A!

Now let's talk about the Lifting Strength rating and we are probably done with this CRT, I'll list some feats. I will just estimate my rating for these feats.

LOWER TIER, GOLDEN AGE

Zodd can easily hold his large sword and two men at the same time with it, with a single hand. Guts can block his most powerful strikes with his large sword. Class 1 to Class 5? - Scales to base Zodd and BoS Guts.

Wyald is at very least Class 10 or Class 25 due to his sheer size and that he can support his own weight. Also can wield large trees. Guts is weaker physically (even though he's tougher), but he should still somewhat scale, as he could choke and grapple Wyald. (NSFW alert, nude Casca). - Scaling is End of Golden Age Guts and Wyald.

HIGHER TIERS, BLACK SWORDSMAN ARC/FANTASIA/LATER

Obviously, Guts can lift the Dragon Slayer and swing it at very high speeds, which is Class 1 to Class 5, I think. Maybe higher, because of the immense speed he swings it with.

Zodd not only is hilariously more powerful than Wyald, he also lifted him with his horns only without the use of his arms and ripped him apart easily, which is easily the most impressive LS feat in the series for the high tiers. Maybe even around Class 100?

Guts could easily lift Mozgus while heavily injured, along with his Dragon Slayer and throw him. I think Mozgus has some canon weight. So that should be easily around Class 5.

Also Berserker Armor Guts could casually hold back a large ship mast along with Dragon Slayer, but that's not his most impressive feat. Class 10 I think?

Grunbeld can move around large stones with just his teeth and "with ease". Class 25, as Angron has checked, scaling to Stonehenge stones.

The characters scaling there are: Skull Knight, Black Swordsman Guts, Grunbeld and Apostle Zodd.
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Just the lifting strength
 
I think everything is fine, but Guts choking Wyald isn't a lifting strength feat, since Wyald didn't oppose with his arms or something.
Also, remember me why Guts and Zodd scale from Dragon Grunbeld
 
Also, remember me why Guts and Zodd scale from Dragon Grunbeld
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Guts can block both of their strikes nah? And Zodd would scale probably because of his sheer position in New Band of the Hawk
 
I wouldn't say that covering the same position is valid, at least in a verse like Berserk, and the apostle have shown to not be all the same.
However, now that I think of it, didn't you post a scene of Berserk Armor Guts blocking Grunbeld's tail attack? That would work perfectly, but unfortunately it wouldn't scale to his normal self.
 
A physical exchange between Zodd and Guts should work, but even Guts' feat with Grunbeld's tail doesn't have to be discarded.
Also, I think that Grunbeld would be naturally stronger than Zodd, given the sheer size, and they aren't even that distant in overall strength between each other, iirc.
 
Oh well, Guts can block his strikes but he gets sent flying away a moment afterwards. I don't know if that's enough to scale. He can clash evenly with Base Zodd, but Apostle Zodd somewhat overpowers him after time.
 
Also, I think that Grunbeld would be naturally stronger than Zodd, given the sheer size, and they aren't even that distant in overall strength between each other, iirc.
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I don't know. Griffith gave Zodd higher position in his army, and I feel like Zodd would win in a fight, but in terms of LS he might be stronger. Still, Zodd has his feat of lifting Wyald, very much comparable to Grunbeld's feats.
 
Zodd lifted Wyald very easily, so I think that Grunbeld is capable of doing the same anyway.
I'm not sure Guts can scale with that, he used the Dragonslayer to block the hit and not being tore apart, but he didn't overpower or even just resisted Zodd.
 
I don't think so, that's Guts withstanding the slap.
It would have counted if Wyald had tried to forcibly remove him and Guts was strong enough to maintain the grip, but that's not the case.
 
Yes, if I'm not missing anything.
Without the armor he should be class 5 or 10 depending on the various Dragonslayer stuff and the ship mast, maybe more if we get a higher result by him lifting Mozgus.
With the armor his strength could sensibly increase, especially if he actually blocked Grunbeld's tail attack as I remember, even though it might not scale to Grunbeld's LF due to how the body works, but I'll leave the judgement on that to someone more expert than me in calcs and stuff.
Halting the swing of a giant dragon is still a very good feat, though.
 
Mozgus Apostle Height is 280 cm which is believable in this case unlike other apostle transformations But his weight is really off because it lists him as 300 kg's which is really, REALLY off because there's some giant human beings that literally top that and are nowhere near the size of Mozgus Apostle form

Andre the Giant who was 213 cm was 250 kg of which 30% was fat, Compare that to Mozgus who is 280 cm but only 299 with a wide body frame plus his entire body being covered in stone would make him nearly a ton in weight
 
Also i tried the One Rep max equation for Guts

Now i estimated if Guts does 100 reps with dragonslayer which weights from 220 to 625 lbs then he would have a max total rep count of 953.3-2708.3 lbs

If we increase the rep number to 200 then the max rep would be 1686.7-4791.7 lbs
 
So around Class 5... meh. I'll look for more, there's a RT for Guts that has his every feat in it, so it's time to search.
 
Is snapping chains any impressive? I know it's a Berserker Armor feat, but I'm just curious. (Also here's the scan of Guts stopping Grunbeld's tail, I think it scales because it's still Grunbeld's physical strength and he could even easily lift Stonehenge rocks with his teeth alone)

Otherwise, I couldn't find anything impressive for Guts, so we'll have to stick with what's listed here.
 
I doubt that snapping chains can go beyond all the Dragonslayer feats, but who knows.
You didn't link the scan to the Grunbeld's tail feat, anyway.
 
SpookyShadow said:
Is snapping chains any impressive? I know it's a Berserker Armor feat, but I'm just curious. (Also here's the scan of Guts stopping Grunbeld's tail, I think it scales because it's still Grunbeld's physical strength and he could even easily lift Stonehenge rocks with his teeth alone)

Otherwise, I couldn't find anything impressive for Guts, so we'll have to stick with what's listed here.
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I've seen that Shizu has Class 25 for that.
 
That's very interesting, however CZ doesn't have calcs and is stated to have broken multiple layers of chain, while Guts just broke a couple.
 
SamanPatou said:
That's very interesting, however CZ doesn't have calcs and is stated to have broken multiple layers of chain, while Guts just broke a couple.
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Yeah but the video on her profile just shows a single chain getting snapped, so
 
SpookyShadow said:
Forgot to link lol, I'm dumb as shit

Here it is, Serpico stated it was full force swing so he was trying to overpower Guts
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That feat is 100% legit.

About the chain, the video is just the demonstration of a chain being broken, we would need an actual calc for Guts, and CZ needs one too and even a scan or something of the feat.
Because snapping one or two chains is different from snapping 50 of them, and depends on how they are wrapped around your body.
 
So for now, my hypothesis:

Guts:
Lifting Strength: Class 1/Class 5 [No idea] (Can block strikes from Nosferatu Zodd, who could carry 2 fully armored men on his giant sword with just his one hand. Can swing his giant sword at FTE speeds) | At least Class 5, likely higher (Much stronger than before. Carried Apostle Mozgus along with his sword while injured and threw him high into the air and can swing the Dragon Slayer at high speeds, and even grip it with his teeth) | At least Class 50, likely higher with Berserker Armor (Managed to overpower Grunbeld so much that he couldn't even hold his own guard and was humiliatingly overpowered by Guts. Even after Grunbeld turned into an Apostle, Guts could stop his tail coming him at full speed. Should be somewhat comparable physically to Nosferatu Zodd, who could lift apostle Wyald and rip him in half with no trouble)

Stats for Grunbeld and Zodd stay the same as before
 
I hate how we all are thinking that the stats for Guts strength should be Class 10 or 25 but about nothing even suggest that even lifted that much

It makes furious that there isn't even a class 10 lifting strength for guts
 
Well, would Guts swinging his Dragon Slayer at FTE speeds count as higher lifting strength tier than just lifting it?
 
I'm curious if it has a canon weight. Even if not, I feel like there are many calculations on the internet, but the results are varied.

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