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Berserk: Recalcing The Dragon Slayer
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Speed can be used to find KE when
- A certain character moves at a certain speed while carrying an object, that would require superhuman strength to be carried.
- The kinetic energy displayed is directly shown to be as a result of speed, or at least heavily implied to be so. Examples would be: A meteor crashing into the ground, as well as a Kaiju moving at full speed.
- A verse consistently treats speed, and its relation to attack potency, in a realistic manner. Calculating kinetic energy from a character's speed isn't problematic, if it's clear that the story they're from doesn't separate speed from one's general capacity for destruction.
- A projectile has been calculated to move at a certain speed, such as a cannonball or a spear.
- An object moves at said speed due to the secondary effects of an attack. For example when an explosion tosses large rocks around, their KE can be used to measure the power of the explosion.
- A feat happens in the Real World, since physics work normally in real life.
- A giant character, one weighing 200kg or more (applies to the sword), is moving themselves. For launching feats such a minimum mass isn't necessary.
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The explanations were given by the member as to why they would be correct.
He rejected the idea, and the opinion of other members helps, even Mr. Bambuu I didn't know if it was usable, especially without precise destruction.
When Guts stabs the sword into the Boat, the kinetic energy should have caused high destruction there.
If there are other calculations for this, I think it's better to give preference to them.
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"A certain character moves at a certain speed while carrying an object, that would require superhuman strength to be carried."
The sword does not reach the superhuman level, but the human peak, and perhaps the angle favored the sword's length and width.
"A verse consistently treats speed, and its relation to attack potency, in a realistic manner. Calculating kinetic energy from a character's speed isn't problematic, if it's clear that the story they're from doesn't separate speed from one's general capacity for destruction."
The feat has no destruction (equivalent) and I don't remember Guts using speed to destroy anything, evidence needs to be provided.
"A giant character, one weighing 200kg or more (applies to the sword)"
This ends up referring to a character's body, unless I misunderstood.
Again I'm not sure if this is correct.
This calculation using a "normal" Katana was said to be accepted as containing equivalent destruction.
Maybe the KE page should be redone.
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Making a sword move MHS is by definition superhuman, and you can back up the arguement that the angle favored the sword's length and width?
Bro has not read Berserk, Hyperagility and Insane Speed is Guts main fighting style. See Grunbled fight, as well as any fight Post-Eclipse
Statement literally says applies to sword.
Nowhere in that blog does it say anything like that.
Then, you should. Until then, I am using the current standards of VSBW.
Furthermore, I can just argue that you are trying to measuer DC while I am calcing AP
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The given angle is done with Dragon Slayer far in front of Guts and you can do this with the shadows of both below Guts.
The problem is that it doesn't apply to the sword, and the context is about the character's body.
I didn't say he said that on the blog.
And I mentioned this calculation and comment earlier, and just restated what a calculation member said.
"Speed cannot be used to find KE when:"
"There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack."
There is literally the destruction done by Guts on the boat and if we calculate it, it will serve as a contradiction to KE.
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Furthermore, a basic principle of VS is: "Also, kindly remember that Attack Potency is the measure of Destructive Capacity of an attack, and as such, is measured via its energy damage equivalent."
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Few things depend on DC to get AP, like the formation of a black hole or a slight tremor across the earth.
Attack Potency
Destructive Capacity is the term used to determine the amount of damage a character can produce. It is normally the deciding factor of VS matches along with Speed. It is measured in units of energy. An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive...
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Few things depend on DC to get AP, like the formation of a black hole or a slight tremor across the earth.
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This is the criteria to dismess KE:Furthermore, a basic principle of VS is: "Also, kindly remember that Attack Potency is the measure of Destructive Capacity of an attack, and as such, is measured via its energy damage equivalent."
Attack Potency
Destructive Capacity is the term used to determine the amount of damage a character can produce. It is normally the deciding factor of VS matches along with Speed. It is measured in units of energy. An alternative term for Destructive Capacity which has more direct meaning: The Destructive...
Few things depend on DC to get AP, like the formation of a black hole or a slight tremor across the earth.
- There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
- For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.
- Keep in mind that this destruction should be compared to the energy lost by the object during the event. A ball travelling at relativistic speeds creating a hole its size, and continuing to move at nearly the same speed afterwards, would not be considered a contradiction. While a similar feat, with the ball falling to the ground a few meters afterwards, would be cause for concern.
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Again, hear destruction (which is not equivalent and which contradicts KE), tell me your point to refute this and keep Guts' calculation standing.
If you can uncheck this, I won't be bothered anymore, besides, I still don't know 100% about KE, but from what I've read about members who actually know, they didn't accept it.
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The member is not knowledgeable of the Berserk Calc. Furthermore, that is just an arguement from authority.
Secondly, Guts is attacking Ganishka's Lighnting which does this:
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Guts vs Serpico 2 is a better example since the relation between speed and KE is flat out stated also Rosine and the effect of her sonic booms
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Or the Possesed Whales
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Should remind everyone that I am still doing the pushups. ALSO BUMP
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Well, this was caused by Daiba's water dragon.The member is not knowledgeable of the Berserk Calc. Furthermore, that is just an arguement from authority.
Secondly, Guts is attacking Ganishka's Lighnting which does this:
Did you actually read Berserk?
You can see him splitting that boat in half in chapter 273 and even hear a statement to that effect.
In the next chapters, the ship is shown falling apart more and more.
When the snake evaporates and Ganishka appears, the ship has already been fragmented.
Notably, fragmenting that boat would not yield 7-C results and would fall into a contradiction involving AP.
No equivalent level of Ganishka's destruction is previously shown, and to tell the truth, the one who should cause the destruction is Guts himself, not Ganishka.
And the AP must be followed realistically, as stated, AP = DC, even more so involving speed.
A clear example that AP and DC are exactly in line with his speed is here in Omni Man.
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This is something that a regular lightning bolt does, and besides, it would create a devastating fire on the boat.
To me you were talking about the boat.
I see the smoke cloud as High 8-C
To me you were talking about the boat.
I see the smoke cloud as High 8-C
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Man if it only it hit something first that took a vast majoirty of its energy. Something like a giant sword.
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I haven't read Berserk completely, but I saw a fire in a city, did he start it?, maybe this will give significant results, it also turned into a giant cloud, but I don't think it will reach 7-C either.
The lightning he threw into the ocean also vaporized few portions of water to be 7-C.
Maybe the calculation is valid if you find some way to put Ganishka also for 7-C...
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