Berserk: KE from Movement Speed

[ElJoaki5]

Introduction
Guts has some feats where he dodges lightning and since he does this while carrying his big ass sword, these also become good KE feats. But these dodges are movement speed, which makes the usability of the KE from them unclear. That’s what this thread is for.

What the KE page says
Kinetic Energy based on Movement Speed is case by case: Fiction often treats the speed with which a character can move himself as unrelated to their attack power. As such feats like just running or carrying a small object, like another character, should only be used if the fiction has made clear that the speed of the movement correlates to the character's power or if the character uses the fast moving object to attack. Calculating the energy necessary for moving large structures at great speeds, using the speed things move as a secondary effect of an attack, throwing objects at great speeds etc. are all acceptable methods of quantifying a characters power regardless.

Why it should be usable
I believe the relation between AP and speed is made clear enough in Berserk.

• The relation between speed and AP is stated. Serpico blocks Guts' sword with pillars in order to stop it from gaining too much speed and power by extension.
• The relation is also shown in Guts Vs Rosine, where Rosine is shown to have great power by virtue of her speed.

Not only that, but Guts' sword is 477.5 kg. This could classify as carrying an object that requires superhuman strength to be carried. Which is a situation in which KE can be found from speed.

 

[Damage3245]

It'd be one thing if Guts was ever actually shown attacking at Mach 1600+, but that's far higher than what his actual combat is depicted like. I believe that using KE like this would produce results that are not confident with the visual portrayal of how damaging Guts' attacks are.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I think LS should be fine, but KE is very debatable.
Edit: By that I mean we should be able to use Force = mass * acceleration

 

[ElJoaki5]

I think LS should be fine, but KE is very debatable.
Edit: By that I mean we should be able to use Force = mass * acceleration

We cant because this isnt calculated as a Uniformly Accelerated Rectilinear Movement (There is no acceleration involved).

 

[Floxy178]

We cant because this isnt calculated as a Uniformly Accelerated Rectilinear Movement (There is no acceleration involved).

Actually there is. Otherwise you shouldn't be able to find force there.

We generally assume low end for both. With given distance and time, we assume constant velocity for speed and KE, while to account for acceleration we just assume constant acceleration. (even tho those scenarios don't coexist)

So your Work / Distance wouldn't make sense (that will imply there was constant force and acceleration) in this case and in the end it'll lowball it by 4 times since final speed for constant acceleration is 2 times more than constant speed assumption.

 

[ElJoaki5]

So your Work / Distance wouldn't make sense (that will imply there was constant force and acceleration) in this case and in the end it'll lowball it by 4 times since final speed for constant acceleration is 2 times more than constant speed assumption.

Are you talking about the second calc? That isnt the case since in this case both coexist. They first jump off the ground which involves acceleration (I calc LS from that) and then continue moving through the air at constant velocity (Which is what I got the speed from).

We generally assume low end for both. With given distance and time, we assume constant velocity for speed and KE, while to account for acceleration we just assume constant acceleration. (even tho those scenarios don't coexist)

Really? From what ive seen, that always gets rejected.

This isnt really the main topic of the thread tho.

 

[Floxy178]

Are you talking about the second calc? That isnt the case since in this case both coexist. They first jump off the ground which involves acceleration (I calc LS from that) and then continue moving through the air at constant velocity (Which is what I got the speed from).

Oh you took vertical jump as seperate for LS nevermind I'm dumb

Really? From what ive seen, that always gets rejected.

This. Also I've seen many calcs using it before.

This isnt really the main topic of the thread tho.

Yeah it seems fine to me. But I'd like to wait for other CGM's opinion before voting.

 

[Arkenis]

I think destruction is still a big part and Guts never shows 7C destruction.

 

[ElJoaki5]

Bumping

 

[Arkenis]

What about the destruction never representing tier 7?

• There is a destruction/AP calculation contradicting a kinetic energy calculation. The destruction/AP calculation would take priority over the kinetic energy calculation in this case as the AP calculation would be a better proof in regards to how much damage he/she is capable of in an attack.
  • For example, if a character launches a 200kg metal ball against a common wall at Mach 300, but the wall remains largely undamaged, the energy required to cause the minor damage on the wall would take priority over the kinetic energy derived from speed in this case.
  • Keep in mind that this destruction should be compared to the energy lost by the object during the event. A ball travelling at relativistic speeds creating a hole its size, and continuing to move at nearly the same speed afterwards, would not be considered a contradiction. While a similar feat, with the ball falling to the ground a few meters afterwards, would be cause for concern.

 

[ElJoaki5]

What about the destruction never representing tier 7?

This doesnt apply here since there arent any destruction feats in the calcs above.

 

[Arkenis]

I don't think that solely is about if another calculation contradicts the ke calc, but I'm sure one can be produced to show the clear lack of tier 7 destruction. And my statement can still stand on its own. His feats, when swinging the sword, do not show tier 7 destruction. The tier 8A one is more in line with Gut's group of power though.

 

[Damage3245]

I don't think that solely is about if another calculation contradicts the ke calc, but I'm sure one can be produced to show the clear lack of tier 7 destruction. And my statement can still stand on its own. His feats, when swinging the sword, do not show tier 7 destruction. The tier 8A one is more in line with Gut's group of power though.

Yeah. If we look at any scene of Guts in that arc swinging his sword around, nothing comes to close to it. I'm sure that his biggest destructive feats (aside from carving his way through monsters) is smashing the stone pillars in this fight with Serpico.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Yeah. If we look at any scene of Guts in that arc swinging his sword around, nothing comes to close to it. I'm sure that his biggest destructive feats (aside from carving his way through monsters) is smashing the stone pillars in this fight with Serpico.

7-C Pillars