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Berserk General Discussion Thread

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Berserk: I am The Idea of Evil, The Desired God (Rework)

Current Page Rework Changes Basically changed everything. In general I've added better justifications, explanations, references and scans. Abilities Non-Physical Interaction Extrasensory Perception Probability Manipulation (This is already in Griffith's profile) Limited Fusionism and...
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I kind of wonder if the Idea of Evil is higher dimensional due to being the platonic concept of evil taken form. It definitely is above 3 Dimensional beings.
 
Something something Griffith is the author of reality lmao. Unfortunately, I don't think we have anything explicit enough to justify it. We don't even know the scope of the Astral World. I saw the CRT for the IoE btw. Looks nice, I wrote a comment/response that I haven't sent yet. If you need any scans for future CRT's let me know. I started a Berserk sandbox.

Edit: Didn't the Godhand have conceptual manipulation before? Would you happen to know if/when it was removed?
 
Legion350 said:
Something something Griffith is the author of reality lmao.
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R>F transcendence ong 🤫

Legion350 said:
If you need any scans for future CRT's let me know. I started a Berserk sandbox.
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Whats the sandbox got?
Legion350 said:
Edit: Didn't the Godhand have conceptual manipulation before? Would you happen to know if/when it was removed?
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No idea when that was (Unless you’re referring to reality warping which i erased). Right now hey only have it in a very limited way under causality manip.
But its for sure a super real and not wank thing
 
ElJoaki5 said:
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Legion350 said:
Unfortunately, I don't think we have anything explicit enough to justify it.
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If God of the Abyss (2) is anything to go by, the IoE is supposed to be the collective consciousness of humanity, the ego of universe of Berserk (which we can assume to be the same as ours), and just quoting directly, "Humans desired reasons, reasons for pain, reasons for sadness, reasons for life, reasons for death. Why were their lives filled with suffering? Why were their deaths so absurd? They wanted reasons for the destiny that kept transcending their knowledge...and I produce those, as it is what I've been brought into existence for, I control fate. Obeying the will of the essence of manking I weave every human's destiny... I created the lineage that would give birth to the man you are and created the appropriate context for you, all the encounters you have had so far were all part of the destiny that led you here as well..."

The IoE really sounds like an anti-Force in that in comparison the Force always ensures that the good things will always happen (such as the Jedi always winning) the IoE always ensures that bad things always happen.
 
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ElJoaki5 said:
R>F transcendence ong 🤫


Whats the sandbox got?

No idea when that was (Unless you’re referring to reality warping which i erased). Right now hey only have it in a very limited way under causality manip.
But its for sure a super real and not wank thing
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I'm just gathering scans for the Apostle physiology stuff, since I had access to the guidebook. Maybe I'm mistaken about the conceptual manipulation?
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
If God of the Abyss (2) is anything to go by, the IoE is supposed to be the collective consciousness of humanity, the ego of universe of Berserk (which we can assume to be the same as ours), and just quoting directly, "Humans desired reasons, reasons for pain, reasons for sadness, reasons for life, reasons for death. Why were their lived filled with suffering? Why were their deaths so absurd? They wanted reasons for the destiny that kept transcending their knowledge...and I produce those, as it is what I've been brought into existence for, I control fate. Obeying the will of the essence of manking I weave every human's destiny... I created the lineage that would give birth to the man you are and created the appropriate context for you, all the encounters you have had so far were all part of the destiny that led you here as well..."

The IoE really sounds like an anti-Force in that in comparison the Force always ensures that the good things will always happen (such as the Jedi always winning) the IoE always ensures that bad things always happen.
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I am conflicted on this. I think the Idea of Evil might have a basis for Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation, since when Miura mentions three Worlds (Physical, Astral & Ideal), and some of the descriptions support it being Platonic. In other words, I think If we were serious about R>F transcendence, it would only apply to the Idea of Evil. There's a difference between the Godhand, and IoE in the level of Abstraction. That's why I mentioned the scope of the Astral World, since the Astral manifestations we see don't go beyond Earth, as it relates to the Godhand.

Edit: I saw something about the Idea of Evil's name in Japanese, because the kanji in the name intentionally reference the Theory of Forms, according to a translation I read. Apparently, the name in Japanese also contains parts meaning base form and source, but I'd need a translator to go over the nuances.
 
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Legion350 said:
In other words, I think If we were serious about R>F transcendence, it would only apply to the Idea of Evil.
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I'm okay with that, the Idea of Evil is functionally the god of Berserk, it makes sense for it to have that transcendence. The Godhand can be seen as heralds of the IoE anyway who borrow some of its power to do things like control sword slashes.
 
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I'm okay with that, the Idea of Evil is functionally the god of Berserk, so it sense for it to have that transcendence. The Godhand can be seen as heralds of the IoE anyway who borrow some of its power to do things like control a swordslash.
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Yeah, leaning towards this rn as well. Just trying to find stuff for the apostles and godhand, without UES its difficult. I think they are capped at where they are until that gets resolved.
 
Does anyone know how to make a gallery on Fandom? I currently use imgur links I gathered
 
None of the anime adaptations do justice to how Guts ages over time from his first chronological appearance through the end of the golden age. In the manga he actually looks like someone in his late teenage years.

I was watching episodes of the memorial edition Golden Age show, and if I didn’t know better, I’d think Guts was in his early twenties like in the Black Swordsman arc.
 
Legion350 said:
None of the anime adaptations do justice to how Guts ages over time from his first chronological appearance through the end of the golden age. In the manga he actually looks like someone in his late teenage years.

I was watching episodes of the memorial edition Golden Age show, and if I didn’t know better, I’d think Guts was in his early twenties like in the Black Swordsman arc.
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Berserk: Establishing Speed Caps (+Calc fixes)

First time capping a verse 👉👈 Berserk has quite some statements and showings that establish speed caps for the characters and I think something should be done with that rather than just ignoring it as has been done up till now. Rosine (Mach 1) Speed Cap Apostle form Rosine is able to surpass...
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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
I kind of wonder if the Idea of Evil is higher dimensional due to being the platonic concept of evil taken form. It definitely is above 3 Dimensional beings.
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ElJoaki5 said:
R>F transcendence ong 🤫
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Lol, I thought I'd share this with everyone. I might have found some supporting evidence for a huge upgrade for the Idea of Evil and beings of the Divine Domain (like the God Hand), but I'm still mulling it over.
 
ElJoaki5 said:
If you can say random yappery you can take a look at my puck page
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Looks so good it can make a grown Guts cry. At most i'd add to his intelligence that he can use random things he finds around as weapons in place of a burdock and maybe something about being brave enough to follow guts even after all the supernatural shi going around him.
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Holy shit, I didn't know another chapter was released until I started see scans in Youtube thumbnails. Wild times. Glad to get another chapter after so long. With the events & mini reveals of the chapter, I think Guts will be able to hurt Griffith with whatever boost it gives him. It's interesting seeing the parallels made between Guts and Griffith. I like reveals that contextualize things we already knew. I didn't realize that him being born from a corpse means that he was born within the Interstice, but it explains why Guts could still slice off a hair from Femto, even when he his attack mostly lacked damage.
 
Epiccheev said:
What if Guts mother is the actual embodiment of death and she looks like a goth baddie
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That doesn’t make sense tbh. From what Miura and the current supervisor of Berserk have said, the idea is that Guts’ “specialness” makes him resistant to the flow of fate. And we know Guts’ mom died/is a corpse, so at most we might have her spirit interact with him.
 
Legion350 said:
Holy shit, I didn't know another chapter was released until I started see scans in Youtube thumbnails. Wild times. Glad to get another chapter after so long. With the events & mini reveals of the chapter, I think Guts will be able to hurt Griffith with whatever boost it gives him. It's interesting seeing the parallels made between Guts and Griffith. I like reveals that contextualize things we already knew. I didn't realize that him being born from a corpse means that he was born within the Interstice, but it explains why Guts could still slice off a hair from Femto, even when he his attack mostly lacked damage.
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I also appreciate all of the call backs to the Golden Age arc
 
I wonder how that knowledge will affect Guts. Is Griffith also in the "Interstice" from the very start or only after becoming Femto?
As far as we know 100% of his more supernatural side as a human was due to interference from Idea of Evil.
 
This is just my interpretation of what I’ve seen so far. Griffith and Guts were both slightly in the Interstice from the start, for different reasons. Griffith having been chosen by the Idea of Evil, and the same for Guts since his birth wasn’t fated.

They both had slightly supernatural elements because of this, like how they were the only humans to wound Zodd in centuries. Or Guts being able to wield an adult sized sword as a kid, interacting with flower spirit, etc. But prior to the eclipse it was only a passive thing.

Just kinda theorizing, but it’s crazy how much this was foreshadowed. Skull Knight called Guts, Griffith’s unkingly half in one of their first meetings. He even mentioned Guts possibly having some tie to the elves before he met Puck.

Also, this last part is 100% a theory, but I wonder if the Beast of Darkness is the astral half of Guts that was corrupted by the brand+his traumatic experiences. As I reread some of the Golden Age, there are a few panels that might foreshadow this.
 
Legion350 said:
Also, this last part is 100% a theory, but I wonder if the Beast of Darkness is the astral half of Guts that was corrupted by the brand+his traumatic experiences. As I reread some of the Golden Age, there are a few panels that might foreshadow this.
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I do 100% believe this. The reason the berserk armor is able to allow them to interact and "fight" is because it blurs the said interstice even further, allowing his astral self to fight for control. My guess is they will eventually unite through this trial.
It does make me wonder how OP guts would be if he gave in and used a behelit/Took Slan's offer
 
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