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Well, sinse mallware couldn't break free without outside help I will go with "he can't"
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Ben 10 vs Carnage
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He can, LS matters
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malware has the same LS and couldn't break free
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Malware’s lifting strength is far less than Carnage’s.
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Both are coass M and if carnage can vreak free from that dimonds Malware should have been able to do the same in at peast some years, but no, he was completly helpless
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Malware’s Class M rating for his first key is an error because Four Arms and Diamondhead are Class K. Even if you randomly scale Malware to Vilgax’s Class M, which he used while amped with steroids, it’s still over 134 times less than Spidey’s Class M. Mind you Carnage is significantly stronger than Spider-Man.
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He was cristalized in his second form
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Oh sorry, I missread, give me a second
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Well, evwn if you say that his cristals now should be strongher than before and qt least should be able to contain beings withe at least the same LS as him
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It's still vastly inferior to Carnage. Even the strongest Class M feat they have is still over 7 times weaker than Spider-Man's, let alone Carnage. Goop is his only hope for a LS advantage.
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Nah not really, you just changed everyone’s class M to Class K without permission because Kevin 11 scales to amped Vilgax.
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When did he grapple with amped Vilgax?
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We've already covered that Carnage can bust out of Diamondhead's crystals. No idea how we keep coming back to it. Just brush that aside and move on.
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Held him to the ground with his feet for a bit. Also CRT first whether he did or not.
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The only time I've seen Fourarms have a prolonged fight with Vilgax Amped was in a Forever Knight induced dream.
Anyway. Getting off topic.
Ben: 1
Carnage: 0
Anyway. Getting off topic.
Ben: 1
Carnage: 0
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You need to make a CRT for changes like this, it’s not minor. Regardless of if you’re right or not.
It’s debatable whether Vilgax could have gotten up earlier if Kevin didn’t have the necessary LS.
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Ok then, even if Ben can't trap Carnage with dimond head, carnage would have a hard time killing Dimondhead and this woukd give ben enough time tô think how to imobilize him with other aliens like gravattack (and discover that It's his only Wincon)
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Does regen and body control nuke freezing as a wincon or not?
This wouldn’t be a wincon since actively trapping an opponent wouldn’t really count as incap, not that Ben would be able to do that for 24 hours anyways.
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Just trow hin into space, IDK
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Oh actually yeah? KEK,
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nah, just usa gravattack to fo taht sh't or something, he also could make make a sleep gaz with gurtrot, he has a lot of other ways to do this
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True, plenty of options to yeet him into space. Heck to another timeline if we're talking Clockwork.
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Carnage literally got ripped in half and Yeeted into Space by Sentry and still came back, so....
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In less then a hour?
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Oh wait I think I remember that,
Anyways I don't remember him coming back within that story so.
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I don't remember.
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Trapping someone is incap. If Ben can restrain Carnage for a day with something, that counts as a win. If you're talking Gravattack, then it sounds doable. Same with sleep hax.. Or Eating with Upchuck.
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does carnage have incorporeal interaction?
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Yeah but if you’re actively putting effort to restrain someone it is hardly an incap since you are essentially attacking for that amount of time and forcing yourself to be in a specific position for that duration as well.
Stuff that doesn’t require active effort should be fine though.
We don’t know how long the sleep hax lasts.
It is OoC for Ben to do that with Gravattack, probably lacks the stamina and willpower to do that as well, especially since he is not aware of the wincons and there are better options.
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Bump
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Buh-bump
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doesn't exactly matter here since they both can't kill each other, failsafe and mid-high from carnage
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This is Teen Ben, so they would be Large Building Level +
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@Spinoirr This probably still applies.
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Bump, my dying thread
Ben:1
Carnage: 0
Ben:1
Carnage: 0
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Bump.
