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Ben 10 Upgrade | Part 3 [Staff Needed]

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What have Firestorm, Vietthai, and Finepoint each respectively accepted and rejected here structured in an easily overviewed manner? 🙏
 
What have Firestorm, Vietthai, and Finepoint each respectively accepted and rejected here structured in an easily overviewed manner? 🙏
Firestorm
I suppose Time Powers are a possible UES.

Input from other staff is appreciated.
  1. I only agree with Space-Time Manipulation
  1. I'll defer to other staff opinion on the matter.
  2. If it's in the mana page, using a Gwen example already, it should be fine.
  3. I'll defer to other staff opinion on the matter.
  • Conceptual stuff
    • Disagree

    • Memory isn't non-physical, it's a system of synapses in the brain.
FinePoint
Simple enough.

Pretty vague. Are there feats?

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Was the conceptual stuff already accepted previously? Either way it seems fine to me.

Sure.

Assuming the previously mentioned cosmology stuff is accepted, sure.

Strange, but sure. Should also be under Age Manipulation probably.

Sure.

I believe this is fine, but it would be nice if another supporter could confirm that these spaces are as described in context.

Sure.

Sure.

Why Enhanced Senses? Otherwise fine.

Sure.

Doesn't feel quite danmaku to me. Normally you'd want dozens of projectiles, and also usually not all concentrated into what is essentially one beam.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Limited, but sure.

I suppose.

Gonna need a lot more context on this one.

Sure.

I suppose.

Sure.

Pretty vague. Are there other examples?

Sure.

Sure.

Sure.

Your description really confused me, but the scan cleared it up. Sure.

Sure.

Sure.
Alright.

Alright. If you post it here I'll evaluate that too.

I believe Enhances Senses is more for existing senses being stronger, while Extrasensory Perception is more for brand new ones.

Seems fine then.
Vietthai
I disagree with concept blog

1. Time affect, control timeline and history stuff, can cause time paradox doesn't make time conceptual, this is a huge leap in logic

2. Disagree with fate stuff, obviously things like the past and future exist in time. You are confusing fate as in simply your future with literal metaphysical fate that govern reality

3. Plot is even worse, it is simply a gag 4th war breaking feat, nothing indicated it change the world at narrative level. Also you are making contradictory arguments, if time govern plot and is a type 1 concept it should also be independent from the show itself as you literally argue time can change episode, by that logic the narration of the verse itself shouldn't be able to affect time and any manipulation of time will directly alter the show in real world, yet we can see that time is literally bound by narration of the verse where people manipulatr time often

4. Disagree with the part about removal of concept, make time stoodstill or remove it doesn't mean you remove the concept of time itself, or else every time manipulation will also have conceptual manipulation

5. The only thing valid is the causality stuff which again doesn't make time conceptual

So all and all, i disagree with CM1 and Plot hax. Causality hax is fine, i could see fate hax as changing time could change someone future, though idk if this is direct change or indirect change so i'm neutral with it for now

Disagree with Nonduality type 1 too, what is magic and non-magic???
Nonduality i'm neutral; semantically speaking, it is fine somewhat, but logically speaking it make no sense to me


We removed this dimensionality potency thing long ago, this is range only


Fine to me



Duplicated abilities, and other than CM1 hax which I disagree with, the rest is fine


The other is fine, though i still have yet to evaluate Mana section, i will be busy for a while
 
 
Are we now needing to check things again? But do you defer to other staff opinion on these like before? And pls can we keep in CRT, i don't disagree with what you say.
  • Danmaku (Users can project lots of mana attacks shown here and here)
    • Disagree. The amount should be akin to an AOE. "The ability to produce a great amount of projectiles at once, in order to overwhelm the target by the sheer number of shots. Some users also add complex patterns to make dodging difficult."
In scans, they can project lots of mana attacks, even more than 20
  • To qualify for Danmaku, the user has to be shown to create tens or dozens of projectiles in a very short timeframe (i.e., at least 20 to 24 minimum). The projectiles don't need to be created simultaneously but they should all be shown in motion at roughly the same time.
 
Are we now needing to check things again? But do you defer to other staff opinion on these like before? And pls can we keep in CRT, i don't disagree with what you say.

In scans, they can project lots of mana attacks, even more than 20
I defer to other staff for them.
 
Let's keeping on CRT
These are unfinished additions:
Fixing:
Extrasensory Perception should change to this:

Nature of Mana
Anodite Physiology:
Spells:
 
I'm gonna go over part of this because right now my Internet is absolute trash. I'll get to the rest as soon as possible.

Although it's saying the Time Power stuff is accepted I'm gonna give a hard no to some of what's being suggested because I don't agree with some of it. Regardless of if it's accepted I want to make my disagreements known regardless of if it's out voted or not so if you want to ignore my thoughts on the time stuff go ahead, I just want my disagreements to be logged.
Time Powers:
Feats:
Yeah no, while some of this is good, that destiny portion is not. It's a basic law in general that if you screw with the timeline then the future changes, Clockwork saying let them discover their own future isn't anything special regarding times manipulation over destiny fundamentally, it's just saying what is normal. The plot part is okay but the portion about Ben interacting with the intro is just Breaking the Fourth Wall, not some aspect of time changing his future to effect the plot, and finally that concept removal is wild, the quote used said time stood still... Why did you immediately conclude and use that as evidence that dimension lacked the concept of time? If that's all I disagree with that
  • UES; All characters have feats via their time powers should be has same SS, LS, AP, Durability feat due to
That part on the UES is a private video, I'm not signing off on something I can see. The second part about Mal getting weaker doesn't work because you failed to show him no selling Rooks gun before hand. Saying he's superior doesn't mean anything unless I can see it.
Abilities:
It says his race control matter, energy, and time, since it separated time from matter you can't use it as a general ability all time users have unless it says because of of his time power he can control matter.
Everything is fine with the exception of explosion manipulation that's just a beam coming down and kicking up the dust no real explosion.
Why would this apply to others, you showed an alien using its power to do so but we're are the other time users absorbing time energy that aren't that alien?
This is odd seeing as he needed to make contact, if it was an ordinary time power gained from time energy he would have just needed to blast Ben, instead he needed an exact moment and contact, I wouldn't consider this a standard ability unless they also show it.
It doesn't say mana in the scan.
Don't know this power but the last scan doesn't say it lacks time and space, it just shows the scan with Rook blasting Mal.
This should be limited, it's directly said because he was also Ben he might sense the effect. Meaning it's not standard.
No he said time travel is "for immortals and fools" not every time user is immortal. Hard disagree with everyone getting it. It's not saying they are all immortal, it's just Paradox saying that who it should be for.

Anyway that's it for my Time Energy rant, ignore it if you want to, I'm just cataloguing my issues with some stuff regarding of if it's accepted.
Mana Manipulation:
Mana User/Manipulation:
  • Danmaku (Users can project lots of mana attacks shown here and here)
That's not enough for Danmaku, at least the second one isn't, I'd remove it as evidence.
I have no idea why your using other verses as evidence of an ability existing. Regardless, that rock monster looks nothing like the ones mentioned on the physiology page. Even though their all brought to life by her, that doesn't mean they all possess the same abilities.

I haven't looked over the rest yet, need to charge my phone, will get to it when my Internet is better.
 
Yeah no, while some of this is good, that destiny portion is not. It's a basic law in general that if you screw with the timeline then the future changes, Clockwork saying let them discover their own future isn't anything special regarding times manipulation over destiny fundamentally, it's just saying what is normal. The plot part is okay but the portion about Ben interacting with the intro is just Breaking the Fourth Wall, not some aspect of time changing his future to effect the plot, and finally that concept removal is wild, the quote used said time stood still... Why did you immediately conclude and use that as evidence that dimension lacked the concept of time? If that's all I disagree with that
Sure but I actually removed CM agreement.
That part on the UES is a private video, I'm not signing off on something I can see.
Here transcript:
Eon: I feed on their power and make them my slaves. When I absorb you, I'll finally have the strength to replace this timeline with a new one-
The second part about Mal getting weaker doesn't work because you failed to show him no selling Rooks gun before hand. Saying he's superior doesn't mean anything unless I can see it.
Mal literally was unaffected by characters are at least 42 times more stronger than Rook, like Atomic-X
It says his race control matter, energy, and time, since it separated time from matter you can't use it as a general ability all time users have unless it says because of of his time power he can control matter.
It says:
EON IS A CHRONIAN, AN EXTREMELY POWERFUL RACE OF ALIENS WITH VAST POWERS OVER MATTER, ENERGY AND TIME
Ben 10K stated that Eon and Clockwork are share same powers which is Time Powers
Everything is fine with the exception of explosion manipulation that's just a beam coming down and kicking up the dust no real explosion.
I would reply to this later
Why would this apply to others, you showed an alien using its power to do so but we're are the other time users absorbing time energy that aren't that alien?
Eon can absorb also energy from other beings (they also share same power)
This is odd seeing as he needed to make contact, if it was an ordinary time power gained from time energy he would have just needed to blast Ben, instead he needed an exact moment and contact, I wouldn't consider this a standard ability unless they also show it.
I would reply to this later
It doesn't say mana in the scan.
There is entire dimension that made of mana, also mana are exiting between dimensions through the universe
Don't know this power but the last scan doesn't say it lacks time and space, it just shows the scan with Rook blasting Mal.
Rook says that Maltruant's powers are based on time/timestream, and since white void doesn't have space-time, then he can't use it.
Thisshould be limited, it's directly said because he was also Ben he might sense the effect. Meaning it's not standard.
Later, Clockwork was able to see the effect normally as Paradox was explained, he also says "might" because the effect maybe would make Eon know that there someone are also travel through timelines, like him.
That's not enough for Danmaku, at least the second one isn't, I'd remove it as evidence.
What about this?
I have no idea why your using other verses as evidence of an ability existing. Regardless, that rock monster looks nothing like the ones mentioned on the physiology page.
They are not the same look, but they share same species, as Paradox mentioned that they are Rock Creatures
Even though their all brought to life by her, that doesn't mean they all possess the same abilities.
She only make them, even they was able to regenerate themselves without need to her, even it shown before they can regenerate himself after their body shattered into crumbs
 
Sorry for the wait, will finish the evaluation. Anything I don't mention, I'm fine with.

  • Precognition; User can predicting the next moves of his opponents, shown here and here.
This doesn't look like precognition, just Gwen seeing them via aura (which she can do) and calling out their attacks in real time.
Video isn't available.
Nature of Mana
This is not really required. Almost all energy in fiction is invisible, untill the character in question brings it out, Ben 10 is no different, we see Mana attacks when conjured.
Video don't work.
Anodite Physiology:
This does not say Anodite kids, Charmcaster just refers to Gwen here.

Other than that everything else seems fine to me.
 
This doesn't look like precognition, just Gwen seeing them via aura (which she can do) and calling out their attacks in real time.
Ok
Video isn't available.
Here
This is not really required. Almost all energy in fiction is invisible, untill the character in question brings it out, Ben 10 is no different, we see Mana attacks when conjured.
Well, this just for animation, like we can still see Mana shield, but Charmcaster says it's invisible force, even in Omniverse, we can see it invisible
Video don't work.
Here
This does not say Anodite kids, Charmcaster just refers to Gwen here.
Later, Kevin says it's because Gwen is an Anodite
 
Sorry for the wait, will finish the evaluation. Anything I don't mention, I'm fine with.


This doesn't look like precognition, just Gwen seeing them via aura (which she can do) and calling out their attacks in real time.

Video isn't available.

This is not really required. Almost all energy in fiction is invisible, untill the character in question brings it out, Ben 10 is no different, we see Mana attacks when conjured.

Video don't work.

This does not say Anodite kids, Charmcaster just refers to Gwen here.

Other than that everything else seems fine to me.
Can I get your reply on these
Ok

Here

Well, this just for animation, like we can still see Mana shield, but Charmcaster says it's invisible force, even in Omniverse, we can see it invisible

Here

Later, Kevin says it's because Gwen is an Anodite
Sure but I actually removed CM agreement.

Here transcript:


Mal literally was unaffected by characters are at least 42 times more stronger than Rook, like Atomic-X

It says:

Ben 10K stated that Eon and Clockwork are share same powers which is Time Powers

I would reply to this later

Eon can absorb also energy from other beings (they also share same power)

I would reply to this later

There is entire dimension that made of mana, also mana are exiting between dimensions through the universe

Rook says that Maltruant's powers are based on time/timestream, and since white void doesn't have space-time, then he can't use it.

Later, Clockwork was able to see the effect normally as Paradox was explained, he also says "might" because the effect maybe would make Eon know that there someone are also travel through timelines, like him.

What about this?

They are not the same look, but they share same species, as Paradox mentioned that they are Rock Creatures

She only make them, even they was able to regenerate themselves without need to her, even it shown before they can regenerate himself after their body shattered into crumbs
 
I am also fine with if you apply what Firestorm has accepted here, as he knows Ben 10 very well. 🙏
 
OK, since at most everything here are finished, I would add abilities who get accepted only but Mana abilities would still add after fix page since it's outdated. So close thread after I add Chronal Energy
 
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