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I suppose Time Powers are a possible UES.
Input from other staff is appreciated.
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What do you think about others mana and spells abilities?I suppose Time Powers are a possible UES.
Input from other staff is appreciated.
I know you're busy, but to get this done, should I add what was accept from FinePoint, if you don't mind?I suppose Time Powers are a possible UES.
Input from other staff is appreciated.
FirestormWhat have Firestorm, Vietthai, and Finepoint each respectively accepted and rejected here structured in an easily overviewed manner?![]()
I suppose Time Powers are a possible UES.
Input from other staff is appreciated.
- Danmaku (Users can project lots of mana attacks shown here and here)
- Fine
- Regeneration Negation (High-Mid; Their aura is a powerful energy wave that left Rock Creatures incapacitated and unable to immediately reform after destroyed into pieces despite it possessing the nature physiology of a rock monster)
- Does the regeneration normally happen instantly after damage, or does it take time?
- Healing (High-Low to High-Mid; Mana users can heal any way of damage, such as regenerate person's hand, or regenerate Rock Creatures after destroyed into pieces)
- The first scan is reattaching a limb.
- Memory Manipulation & Non-Physical Interaction (Memory; Mana can wipes person's memories, as shown here and here)
- Manip is fine.
- Purification (All Types; Mana can passively removing contaminants from a person, such as purified Kevin who absorbed Crystal matter. Mana can negate the effects of the Darkstar's corruption which make person become zombie and turn that attracted to him and control their minds after being drained)
- Material Purification, Fine
- Removal of Status Effects, Fine.
- Enhanced Vision (Aura, Soul & Neutral Vision; In "Reflected Glory", it shown that users can see invisible aura/mana without need to use mana sensor.)
- Aura vision is fine.
- Instinctive Action (It stated that "The charms seem to react to Gwen's emotional desires - like wanting to embarrass Ben". Later, in "Double or Nothing", it shown that mana punches appeared after Gwen got angry. In "The End of an Era", it shown that mana sensor activited after Maltruant use his extra senses, although Future Gwen don't activated it. In "A Knight to Remember", when the team was exhausted and wanted to know where Vilgax and the Forever Knights were, Mana immediately informed them of the Forever Knights’ and Vilgax’s location.)
- Instinctive Action is the ability to act without the need for conscious thought. Emotion is a conscious thought.
- Magic that auto triggered from external stimuli is fine.
- Curse Manipulation (Mana is also shown that can be "form of curse". In Official Ben 10 stickers album, Hex's powers was mentioned as "cast spells and rain, curse people, and perform even more powerful magic")
- Fine
- Time Manipulation & Time Travel (The basis for all Time Powers is the ability to control time, allowing the user to completely shape it to their will, speeding it up, slowing it down, going forward and back to other time periods, etc)
- Fine
- Energy Manipulation, Energy Projection, Weapon Creation, Forcefield Creation & Explosion Manipulation (Users can project their time energy in the form of beams and waves, as well as other shapes and constructs like shields and force fields, being able to even trigger energy explosions. It is noted that users also have the power to manipulate energy)
- Fine
- Technology Manipulation (By manipulating energy the user can manipulate technology like cars and even the advanced level 20 tech that is the Omnitrix)
- Fine
- Vibration Manipulation (By siphoning energy into the ground, one can cause earthquakes with their time powers)
- Fine
- Telekinesis (The user can lift objects without physically touching them)
- Fine
- Absorption (Temporal Energy; Users can absorb the power of temporal energy)
- Fine
- Mind Manipulation (The user can perform a temporal consciousness inversion in which a person's consciousness is swapped with that of a younger or older version of the target in question)
- Fine
- Durability Negation via Age Manipulation (Passive; The user can change and accelerate a thing's age, doing so with all of their energy attacks, being to instantly age anything to much that it becomes dust)
- Fine
- Non-Physical Interaction:
- Nonexistence (Nature Type 1 & 2, Aspect Type 2, 4 [Information {Type 2}] and 5; A user can interact with the Space Beyond, a empty black void of nothing, and the White Void, a realm of nothingness that lacks time and space)
- I guess.
- Abstract Existence [Type 1], Idea, Personalities, Mind and Incorporeality (Time users can interact with Alien X's mind, which embodies the ideas of reason and exists as the consciousness of Alien X)
- I guess.
- Dimensional Travel, Teleportation & Portal Creation (Low Complex Multiversal Range; The user have the power to open portals and teleport across the Timestream)
- Fine
- BFR (The user can send beings to other timelines)
- Via Timeline/Dimension Travel
- Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception and Cosmic Awareness (The user can sense the Sotobro Effect, a sort of ripple in the timestream that a user causes when they use their powers)
- Fine
- I only agree with Space-Time Manipulation
- I'll defer to other staff opinion on the matter.
- If it's in the mana page, using a Gwen example already, it should be fine.
- I'll defer to other staff opinion on the matter.
- Conceptual stuff
- Disagree
- Matter Manipulation (By manipulating time, the user also has control over matter)
- Disagree
- Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; The users have control over space-time, a system of stories, causality, fate, plot, and timelines within the verse. They possess the ability to absorb time effects to empower themselves)
- Disagree
- Causality
- Fate
- Concept
- Plot Manipulation & Text Manipulation (The user can manipulate story itself, such as make changes the shape of the show to be a comic book, making the episode to go back to the beginning where it appears the text again in episode and change the plot to have Gwen be the one to find the Omnitrix instead of Ben)
- Disagree
- Law Manipulation (The user can bend the rules of time and to allow two versions of the same person to coexist at a single point in time, despite the fact that alternate versions shouldn’t interact, and that past or future variants of characters normally can’t exist at the same point in time, as it causes paradoxes that result in timelines branching off as a form of self-repair)
- Disagree
- No laws are actually changed.
- "The ability to manipulate "laws" that automatically apply themselves upon reality, referring to rules, mandates and even fundamental logical principles/truths/facts that are the way in which a reality may function."
- Limited Spatial Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, Space-Time Manipulation, and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1 [Passive]; Manipulating time causes a ripping in the timestream)
- Disagree
- Causality
- Fate
- Concept
- Space, Mana, Space-Time, Plot, Concept (Type 1), Causality & Fate; Time-Traveling powers can affect Crosstime, a collection of all timelines, space-times and stories. It also affects the fabric of space and time, including Mana)
- Disagree
- Causality
- Fate
- Concept
- Immortality (Type 1; Time users are stated to be immortals like Professor Paradox, having eternal life)
- Disagree.
- Rage Power (Mana depends on the emotional of a user, if their will become more stronger, the mana would be became more responsive to them, shown when Charmcaster was able to destroy her castle through anger, and Darkstar was able to destroy all monsters around him through anger)
- You need justification that they gained power they didn't have prior because of the rage.
- Memory isn't non-physical, it's a system of synapses in the brain.
- 2-A Potency with Absorption; Mana users can absorb enough energy to control over Legerdomain.
- Why does conquesting / taking over the realm of magic mean 2-A?
Simple enough.
Pretty vague. Are there feats?
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Was the conceptual stuff already accepted previously? Either way it seems fine to me.
Sure.
Assuming the previously mentioned cosmology stuff is accepted, sure.
Strange, but sure. Should also be under Age Manipulation probably.
Sure.
I believe this is fine, but it would be nice if another supporter could confirm that these spaces are as described in context.
Sure.
Sure.
Why Enhanced Senses? Otherwise fine.
Sure.
Doesn't feel quite danmaku to me. Normally you'd want dozens of projectiles, and also usually not all concentrated into what is essentially one beam.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Limited, but sure.
I suppose.
Gonna need a lot more context on this one.
Sure.
I suppose.
Sure.
Pretty vague. Are there other examples?
Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Your description really confused me, but the scan cleared it up. Sure.
Sure.
Sure.
Alright.
Alright. If you post it here I'll evaluate that too.
I believe Enhances Senses is more for existing senses being stronger, while Extrasensory Perception is more for brand new ones.
Seems fine then.
I disagree with concept blog
1. Time affect, control timeline and history stuff, can cause time paradox doesn't make time conceptual, this is a huge leap in logic
2. Disagree with fate stuff, obviously things like the past and future exist in time. You are confusing fate as in simply your future with literal metaphysical fate that govern reality
3. Plot is even worse, it is simply a gag 4th war breaking feat, nothing indicated it change the world at narrative level. Also you are making contradictory arguments, if time govern plot and is a type 1 concept it should also be independent from the show itself as you literally argue time can change episode, by that logic the narration of the verse itself shouldn't be able to affect time and any manipulation of time will directly alter the show in real world, yet we can see that time is literally bound by narration of the verse where people manipulatr time often
4. Disagree with the part about removal of concept, make time stoodstill or remove it doesn't mean you remove the concept of time itself, or else every time manipulation will also have conceptual manipulation
5. The only thing valid is the causality stuff which again doesn't make time conceptual
So all and all, i disagree with CM1 and Plot hax. Causality hax is fine, i could see fate hax as changing time could change someone future, though idk if this is direct change or indirect change so i'm neutral with it for now
Disagree with Nonduality type 1 too, what is magic and non-magic???
Nonduality i'm neutral; semantically speaking, it is fine somewhat, but logically speaking it make no sense to me
We removed this dimensionality potency thing long ago, this is range only
Fine to me
Duplicated abilities, and other than CM1 hax which I disagree with, the rest is fine
The other is fine, though i still have yet to evaluate Mana section, i will be busy for a while
Don't bump when the last message is only an hour agoBump
I suppose Time Powers are a possible UES.
Input from other staff is appreciated.
BumpWhat have Firestorm, Vietthai, and Finepoint each respectively accepted and rejected here structured in an easily overviewed manner?![]()
BumpWhat have Firestorm, Vietthai, and Finepoint each respectively accepted and rejected here structured in an easily overviewed manner?![]()
I suppose Time Powers are a possible UES.
Input from other staff is appreciated.
BumpWhat have Firestorm, Vietthai, and Finepoint each respectively accepted and rejected here structured in an easily overviewed manner?![]()
Are we now needing to check things again? But do you defer to other staff opinion on these like before? And pls can we keep in CRT, i don't disagree with what you say.
- Regeneration Negation (High-Mid; Their aura is a powerful energy wave that left Rock Creatures incapacitated and unable to immediately reform after destroyed into pieces despite it possessing the nature physiology of a rock monster)
- Unsure
- Healing (High-Low to High-Mid; Mana users can heal any way of damage, such as regenerate person's hand, or regenerate Rock Creatures after destroyed into pieces)
- High-Low, Fine. She reattached an arm, not regenerated it.
- Unsure about High-Mid
In scans, they can project lots of mana attacks, even more than 20
- Danmaku (Users can project lots of mana attacks shown here and here)
- Disagree. The amount should be akin to an AOE. "The ability to produce a great amount of projectiles at once, in order to overwhelm the target by the sheer number of shots. Some users also add complex patterns to make dodging difficult."
- To qualify for Danmaku, the user has to be shown to create tens or dozens of projectiles in a very short timeframe (i.e., at least 20 to 24 minimum). The projectiles don't need to be created simultaneously but they should all be shown in motion at roughly the same time.
I defer to other staff for them.Are we now needing to check things again? But do you defer to other staff opinion on these like before? And pls can we keep in CRT, i don't disagree with what you say.
In scans, they can project lots of mana attacks, even more than 20
FinePoint are agreed with it, since it's more than 20 attacks, and it shown many times in show. So are you agree with him?I defer to other staff for them.
Fixing:
Extrasensory Perception should change to this:
Nature of Mana
- Add Mana is aura of beings, as shwon when Gwen senses mana of beings like Addwaitya, she stated his mana is aura. Also, Gwen referred to Mana as an aura.
- Add Mana is energy field, as stated here. Also Charmcaster referring to Mana as a mystical field
- Add Mana is spirit, as shwon when Gwen can sensing Ben's spirit, and it stated that Mana Sensor are only sense mana of being.
Anodite Physiology:
- Invisibility (Mana is the 'hidden' mystic life energy)
- Invulnerability ([Add to all Physiology except Elf] Magical things are immune to non-magic attacks)
Spells:
- Accelerated Development (Others: Physical Statistics & Abilities; Anodite kids can use mana faster and surpass the others Mana masters)
- Resistance Bestowal (User can make person have resistance to another person's mana abilities)
- Invisibility (User can create shield can make anyone inside it invisible to other users)
- Analytical Prediction (User can make spell that can use to try an upcoming true name of Legerdomain)
- Purification [more justifications] (Type 2; User can remove the evil selves that take control of victim's body.)
- Power Nullification ([Just a justifications]; User can use Binding Spell to nullify another person's abilities)
Can you please send two staff to give their vote also?Netural on Invulnerability
The rest seems okay.
Ask him to tag, not send.Can you please send two staff to give their vote also?
Sorry, i just need another two staff to finish this CRT.Ask him to tag, not send.
Can you please tag two staff to give their vote also?Netural on Invulnerability
The rest seems okay.
Yeah no, while some of this is good, that destiny portion is not. It's a basic law in general that if you screw with the timeline then the future changes, Clockwork saying let them discover their own future isn't anything special regarding times manipulation over destiny fundamentally, it's just saying what is normal. The plot part is okay but the portion about Ben interacting with the intro is just Breaking the Fourth Wall, not some aspect of time changing his future to effect the plot, and finally that concept removal is wild, the quote used said time stood still... Why did you immediately conclude and use that as evidence that dimension lacked the concept of time? If that's all I disagree with thatTime Powers:
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Feats:
Conceptual staff; Nature of Space-Time are shapes (also here), destroys (also here), defines, affects and change the stories, causality, fate, plot, timelines, and is completely independent from the existence that it shape, define and influence. This is a Type 1 Concept.- HDP; Space-Time hax has 5-D up to 26-D Potency
That part on the UES is a private video, I'm not signing off on something I can see. The second part about Mal getting weaker doesn't work because you failed to show him no selling Rooks gun before hand. Saying he's superior doesn't mean anything unless I can see it.
- UES; All characters have feats via their time powers should be has same SS, LS, AP, Durability feat due to
It says his race control matter, energy, and time, since it separated time from matter you can't use it as a general ability all time users have unless it says because of of his time power he can control matter.Abilities:
- Matter Manipulation (By manipulating time, the user also has control over matter)
Everything is fine with the exception of explosion manipulation that's just a beam coming down and kicking up the dust no real explosion.
- Energy Manipulation, Energy Projection, Weapon Creation, Forcefield Creation & Explosion Manipulation (Users can project their time energy in the form of beams and waves, as well as other shapes and constructs like shields and force fields, being able to even trigger energy explosions. It is noted that users also have the power to manipulate energy)
Why would this apply to others, you showed an alien using its power to do so but we're are the other time users absorbing time energy that aren't that alien?
- Absorption (Temporal Energy; Users can absorb the power of temporal energy)
This is odd seeing as he needed to make contact, if it was an ordinary time power gained from time energy he would have just needed to blast Ben, instead he needed an exact moment and contact, I wouldn't consider this a standard ability unless they also show it.
It doesn't say mana in the scan.
- Non-Physical Interaction:
- Mana & Space-Time: Time-Traveling powers can affect Crosstime, a collection of all timelines, space-times and stories. It also affects the fabric of space and time, including Mana)
Don't know this power but the last scan doesn't say it lacks time and space, it just shows the scan with Rook blasting Mal.
- Nonexistence (Nature Type 1 & 2, Aspect Type 2, 4 [Information {Type 2}] and 5; A user can interact with the Space Beyond, a empty black void of nothing, and the White Void, a realm of nothingness that lacks time and space)
This should be limited, it's directly said because he was also Ben he might sense the effect. Meaning it's not standard.
- Enhanced Senses, Extrasensory Perception and Cosmic Awareness (The user can sense the Sotobro Effect, a sort of ripple in the timestream that a user causes when they use their powers)
No he said time travel is "for immortals and fools" not every time user is immortal. Hard disagree with everyone getting it. It's not saying they are all immortal, it's just Paradox saying that who it should be for.
- Immortality (Type 1; Time users are stated to be immortals like Professor Paradox, having eternal life)
That's not enough for Danmaku, at least the second one isn't, I'd remove it as evidence.Mana Manipulation:
Mana User/Manipulation:
I have no idea why your using other verses as evidence of an ability existing. Regardless, that rock monster looks nothing like the ones mentioned on the physiology page. Even though their all brought to life by her, that doesn't mean they all possess the same abilities.
- Regeneration Negation (High-Mid; Their aura is a powerful energy wave that left Rock Creatures incapacitated and unable to immediately reform after destroyed into pieces despite it possessing the nature physiology of a rock monster)
- There many character possesses Regeneration Negation due to same thing like:
- Danny Phantom: He has Low-Godly Regeneration Negation as can make Johnny 13's shadow incapacitated and unable to immediately reform.
- Orihime Inoue: she has Mid-Godly Regeneration as she can possibly make Hogyoku incapacitated and unable to immediately reform.
Sure but I actually removed CM agreement.Yeah no, while some of this is good, that destiny portion is not. It's a basic law in general that if you screw with the timeline then the future changes, Clockwork saying let them discover their own future isn't anything special regarding times manipulation over destiny fundamentally, it's just saying what is normal. The plot part is okay but the portion about Ben interacting with the intro is just Breaking the Fourth Wall, not some aspect of time changing his future to effect the plot, and finally that concept removal is wild, the quote used said time stood still... Why did you immediately conclude and use that as evidence that dimension lacked the concept of time? If that's all I disagree with that
Here transcript:That part on the UES is a private video, I'm not signing off on something I can see.
Eon: I feed on their power and make them my slaves. When I absorb you, I'll finally have the strength to replace this timeline with a new one-
Mal literally was unaffected by characters are at least 42 times more stronger than Rook, like Atomic-XThe second part about Mal getting weaker doesn't work because you failed to show him no selling Rooks gun before hand. Saying he's superior doesn't mean anything unless I can see it.
It says:It says his race control matter, energy, and time, since it separated time from matter you can't use it as a general ability all time users have unless it says because of of his time power he can control matter.
Ben 10K stated that Eon and Clockwork are share same powers which is Time PowersEON IS A CHRONIAN, AN EXTREMELY POWERFUL RACE OF ALIENS WITH VAST POWERS OVER MATTER, ENERGY AND TIME
I would reply to this laterEverything is fine with the exception of explosion manipulation that's just a beam coming down and kicking up the dust no real explosion.
Eon can absorb also energy from other beings (they also share same power)Why would this apply to others, you showed an alien using its power to do so but we're are the other time users absorbing time energy that aren't that alien?
I would reply to this laterThis is odd seeing as he needed to make contact, if it was an ordinary time power gained from time energy he would have just needed to blast Ben, instead he needed an exact moment and contact, I wouldn't consider this a standard ability unless they also show it.
There is entire dimension that made of mana, also mana are exiting between dimensions through the universeIt doesn't say mana in the scan.
Rook says that Maltruant's powers are based on time/timestream, and since white void doesn't have space-time, then he can't use it.Don't know this power but the last scan doesn't say it lacks time and space, it just shows the scan with Rook blasting Mal.
Later, Clockwork was able to see the effect normally as Paradox was explained, he also says "might" because the effect maybe would make Eon know that there someone are also travel through timelines, like him.Thisshould be limited, it's directly said because he was also Ben he might sense the effect. Meaning it's not standard.
What about this?That's not enough for Danmaku, at least the second one isn't, I'd remove it as evidence.
They are not the same look, but they share same species, as Paradox mentioned that they are Rock CreaturesI have no idea why your using other verses as evidence of an ability existing. Regardless, that rock monster looks nothing like the ones mentioned on the physiology page.
She only make them, even they was able to regenerate themselves without need to her, even it shown before they can regenerate himself after their body shattered into crumbsEven though their all brought to life by her, that doesn't mean they all possess the same abilities.
This doesn't look like precognition, just Gwen seeing them via aura (which she can do) and calling out their attacks in real time.
Video isn't available.
- Technology Detection; By exploiting the incompatibility between mana and high-tech machines, the users can send out a wave of manna to intentionally disrupt a nearby piece of high-tech machinery)
This is not really required. Almost all energy in fiction is invisible, untill the character in question brings it out, Ben 10 is no different, we see Mana attacks when conjured.Nature of Mana
- Invisibility (Mana is the 'hidden' mystic life energy)
Video don't work.
- Invulnerability ([Add to all Physiology except Elf] Magical things are immune to non-magic attacks)
This does not say Anodite kids, Charmcaster just refers to Gwen here.Anodite Physiology:
- Accelerated Development (Others: Physical Statistics & Abilities; Anodite kids can use mana faster and surpass the others Mana masters)
OkThis doesn't look like precognition, just Gwen seeing them via aura (which she can do) and calling out their attacks in real time.
HereVideo isn't available.
Well, this just for animation, like we can still see Mana shield, but Charmcaster says it's invisible force, even in Omniverse, we can see it invisibleThis is not really required. Almost all energy in fiction is invisible, untill the character in question brings it out, Ben 10 is no different, we see Mana attacks when conjured.
HereVideo don't work.
Later, Kevin says it's because Gwen is an AnoditeThis does not say Anodite kids, Charmcaster just refers to Gwen here.
Can I get your reply on theseSorry for the wait, will finish the evaluation. Anything I don't mention, I'm fine with.
This doesn't look like precognition, just Gwen seeing them via aura (which she can do) and calling out their attacks in real time.
Video isn't available.
This is not really required. Almost all energy in fiction is invisible, untill the character in question brings it out, Ben 10 is no different, we see Mana attacks when conjured.
Video don't work.
This does not say Anodite kids, Charmcaster just refers to Gwen here.
Other than that everything else seems fine to me.
Ok
Here
Well, this just for animation, like we can still see Mana shield, but Charmcaster says it's invisible force, even in Omniverse, we can see it invisible
Here
Later, Kevin says it's because Gwen is an Anodite
Sure but I actually removed CM agreement.
Here transcript:
Mal literally was unaffected by characters are at least 42 times more stronger than Rook, like Atomic-X
It says:
Ben 10K stated that Eon and Clockwork are share same powers which is Time Powers
I would reply to this later
Eon can absorb also energy from other beings (they also share same power)
I would reply to this later
There is entire dimension that made of mana, also mana are exiting between dimensions through the universe
Rook says that Maltruant's powers are based on time/timestream, and since white void doesn't have space-time, then he can't use it.
Later, Clockwork was able to see the effect normally as Paradox was explained, he also says "might" because the effect maybe would make Eon know that there someone are also travel through timelines, like him.
What about this?
They are not the same look, but they share same species, as Paradox mentioned that they are Rock Creatures
She only make them, even they was able to regenerate themselves without need to her, even it shown before they can regenerate himself after their body shattered into crumbs
What about Regeneration Negation? Firestorm don't comment on thisI am also fine with if you apply what Firestorm has accepted here, as he knows Ben 10 very well.![]()