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Ben 10 Upgrade | Part 2

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Sir George:
Ascalon:
Dagon
Clockwork & Maltruant:
  • Low 1-C via Temporal Energy Absorption (Can absorb Chronosapien Time Bomb's explosion)
    • Fine, but only for Range and non-combat absorption.
Lucubra Vilgax:
Alien X:
Professor Paradox:
Ultimate Humungousaur:
  • Danmaku (Can launch hundreds of rockets at once, as shown here and here)
    • Fine.
Alien Physiology:
  • Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility, Non-Corporeal, Energy, Life-Energy, Soul and Essence; Transformations can interact with Mana, shown here, here and here)
    • Disagree. Mana isn't inherently non-physical.
Save Time Powers for a separate thread.
 
Immortality (Greater Type 1, 3 [Low-Mid] & 5;
"Too weak to revert to my normal form, I eventually washed up on shore" means he was literally injured as harmful as the damage to his head, this is why he should be has Immortality Type 3
It's not, Vilgax explains that Ben is able to destroy all evil using Ascalon causing the destruction of an existing universe and the creation of a new one.
Dagon
  • Immortality (Type 5; He can't be kill.)
    • 5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed.
    • I don't see how this is demonstrated in the link given.
It can still alive even after lose their life-force & heart
Here all abilities of Lucubra Vilgax.
Lucubra Vilgax:
Dagon's powers are Mana, and it's shown when Gwen say this is Dark Magic, and later it stated that Dagon's corruption is spells.
Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility, Non-Corporeal, Energy, Life-Energy, Soul and Essence; Transformations can interact with Mana, shown here, here and here)
  • Disagree. Mana isn't inherently non-physical.
It is, Mana can phase through the ground and it's "Soul" & "Essence" which is non-corporeal in nature.
Save Time Powers for a separate thread.
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"Too weak to revert to my normal form, I eventually washed up on shore" means he was literally injured as harmful as the damage to his head, this is why he should be has Immortality Type 3
Injury and energy/feeling weak are two different things.

Imagine Deadpool regenerating from being blown up but is too tired/weak to get out of bed afterward.
 
This out of the thread but I have two scaling want to ask. In this kid Ben hurt kid Gwen with a punch does it enough to scale him to her

And in this said that Null Void is create by Galvan, and since Galvan tech and Highbreed tech scale with each other so can it put anything scale with Highbreed tech upgrade or i miss something about it
 
This out of the thread but I have two scaling want to ask. In this kid Ben hurt kid Gwen with a punch does it enough to scale him to her

And in this said that Null Void is create by Galvan, and since Galvan tech and Highbreed tech scale with each other so can it put anything scale with Highbreed tech upgrade or i miss something about it

Firestorm accepted that in my crt that kid ben will be high 6-A, and mftl+ at most 4-B soon o just forgot to add
 
Disagree. Mana isn't inherently non-physic
Eh, it is? Gwen's mana needs to be shaped into a barrier or a platform to be "solid", that's what she learnt by the times of OV flashbacks and AF.
By DAA and before, she couldn't do that. And it has been shown that it phases through solids.
 
Eh, it is? Gwen's mana needs to be shaped into a barrier or a platform to be "solid", that's what she learnt by the times of OV flashbacks and AF.
By DAA and before, she couldn't do that. And it has been shown that it phases through solids.
The examples provided just show Mana attacks hitting/making contact with a target.

Non-physical interaction would only apply if a normal human can't interact with something, but this special individual can.
 
How do you differentiate between mana attacks that are intended to be intangible vs tangible when it makes contact with the target?

You showed clips of Ben's Aliens getting hit by mana attacks, but how we're those attacks intentionally intangible from the start?
Can you show me any scan prove Mana/Soul are not intangible????????? Lol, it's Mana is soul and essence of being, and it's intangible in nature, to more proof for this it shown to be phase through objects, and even it stated that Gwen changed it to solid shapes for make shield or tentacles.

I don't shown it, I show that Ben's Aliens can interact with Mana, like Fourarms who reflected mana blast or Jetray who can interact Mana blast. It's because Mana are soul and essence who it's intangible in nature.

There many character has Non-Physical Interaction via interact with energy
Wonder Woman
Elemental Masters:
 
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Can you show me any scan prove Mana/Soul are not intangible????????? Lol, it's Mana is soul and essence of being, and it's intangible in nature, to more proof for this it shown to be phase through objects, and even it stated that Gwen changed it to solid shapes for make shield or tentacles.

I don't shown it, I show that Ben's Aliens can interact with Mana, like Fourarms who reflected mana blast or Jetray who can interact Mana blast. It's because Mana are soul and essence who it's intangible in nature.
Do you have examples of Mana Attacks being intangible and going through regular humans?
 
That's not what I asked.
You ask to shown Mana are intangible, and Mana literally phase through the ground, who is enough tp prove Non-Physical Interaction for Aliens
Incorporeal (or Non-Corporeal) beings are those who have no true physical form. Though they may have physical avatars or bodies, but their true essence exists non-physically, whether as a soul, as energy, or as an abstract concept. Being incorporeal is very different than Intangibility, as an intangible being's body is their true body, it just can't be affected by conventional physical forces. A incorporeal being does not usually have any kind of concrete, defined form, and can appear in many different forms if they wish, though the destruction of these bodies is of little relevance to the entity behind them.
The power to interact with intangible or non-corporeal beings or objects. Users can both see and interact with intangible, or non-corporeal, abstract, and nonexistent objects or life-forms and entities, allowing them to make physical contact and possibly cause harm.
 
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Ehhhh just one time against forever night (but when they use their armors), and she uses her mana shield or tentacles more than Mana attacks.
Seeing the clips from @jgms2008, my stance remains unchanged.

To justify non-physical interaction, you need to provide an example of mana being intentionally intangible/non-physical and a person is still able to intentionally make contact with it.
 
Seeing the clips from @jgms2008, my stance remains unchanged.
What @jgms2008 sand, is just Telekinesis not Mana attacks, you can see the mana around them.

To justify non-physical interaction, you need to provide an example of mana being intentionally intangible/non-physical and a person is still able to intentionally make contact with it.
If it hits targets, it doesn't make it immediately physical, that's what Mana is working on, and it hits the target, like ectoplasmic and ki.
 
The whole point of Non-Physical Interaction is that one can interact with something that is intangible or non-corporeal to a normal person.

I won't be changing my stance on this based on what's been presented so far.
 
I disagree with this interpretation. Wanting to destroy evil doesn't have any relation to the actual abstract concept of evil.

Something as simple as lying, cheating, or stealing a candy bar fall under the broad umbrella of evil, but that doesn't mean Ben is going to destroy those people as well in this hypothetical.
 
The whole point of Non-Physical Interaction is that one can interact with something that is intangible or non-corporeal to a normal person.
Here even you get this?
The power to interact with intangible or non-corporeal beings or objects. Users can both see and interact with intangible, or non-corporeal, abstract, and nonexistent objects or life-forms and entities, allowing them to make physical contact and possibly cause harm.
I won't be changing my stance on this based on what's been presented so far.
You just get words out of nowhere
 
Something as simple as lying, cheating, or stealing a candy bar fall under the broad umbrella of evil, but that doesn't mean Ben is going to destroy those people as well in this hypothetical.
I mean, I see where you're going, but just to add something to the other point.

It was implicit that Ben was going to end all free wills in the entire Universe, which means Ben wasn't targeting just "villains, but all kinds of evilness.
 
I disagree with this interpretation. Wanting to destroy evil doesn't have any relation to the actual abstract concept of evil.
Don't need to be stated as concept, it literally shown to be concept Type 2 and that's not an explanation, that's what Vilgax literally says.
Something as simple as lying, cheating, or stealing a candy bar fall under the broad umbrella of evil, but that doesn't mean Ben is going to destroy those people as well in this hypothetical.
Where even stated to be lying? It means it, since he hold Ascalon which has Madness Effect
 
Seeing the clips from @jgms2008, my stance remains unchanged.

To justify non-physical interaction, you need to provide an example of mana being intentionally intangible/non-physical and a person is still able to intentionally make contact with it.
Look, I don't know if this helps, but I found this scene here of Charmcaster's attacks attacking Kevin and the ones that didn't hit seemed to be going through the concrete wall.
 
Firestorm808's evaluations seem to make sense here. What he has accepted can probably be applied now. 🙏
 
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