Addition for some aliens #ben10

[Lort15]

Whampire
- Whampire correction: Body puppetry (Corruptunas controls victim's body not their mind as we can see they are free to think and they don't want it but their bodies are forced to fight.)


- Mind manipulation via hypnosis (Upscaling from Vladat King, he is able to hypnotize minds, he said no one is immune to his hypnotize until Ben shows up, he states that Ben's willpower is strong.)

Dagon Resistance Removal and Inorganic Physiology:
All those resistances are based on leading questions which isn't accepted in vsbw site rules
- Possession (Ectonurites Cannot Possess Dagon)

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- Mind Manipulation & Corruption (Type 1 - immune to Whampire's corruptura)

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- Fear Manipulation, Sickness and Madness Manipulation (Type 3: Not afraid of Toepick's face)


-Inorganic Physiology (Type 1, Vilgax's power absorption machine was able to absorp Dagon completely with alone his body because of his essence is made of power:

• Psyphon: Under normal conditions this machine simply absorbs power, draws it into itself.
• Dagon: But my substance is power!
• Psyphon: Yes, most regratable for you.)

Aggregor for Base and Mutated Form:
- Power Nullification via tech (this gadget Aggregor have is able to nullify Andromeda alien's powers, also as shown in here)


- Teleportation via tech and Alpha rune (Aggregor's ship teleported Aggregor and Rad to his own ship, teleported himself from Ledgerdomain)

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- All abilites of 5 Andromeda Aliens (He absorbed andromeda aliens without any restriction of their powers thanks to his technology the aliens: Absorbed all the powers of Terraspin, NRG, Water Hazard, Armodrillo, and AmpFibian)
- Sealing and BFR (Sealed all Andromeda aliens into capsules and was able to teleport back Andromeda aliens to their own capsules again)

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Ultimate Echo Echo
- Massively FTL+ flight speed for Ultimate Echo Echo via being faster than Chromastone, Bigchill and Jetray.

Omnitrix:
Power bestowal, Limited Body Puppetry (Omnitrix controlled Ditto's bodies and forced them to fly each other for detransformation, Ditto doesn't have ability to Fly)

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Malware:
Regenaration (High: regenarated after getting apart from a tachyon cannon, a weapon that can take apart opponents at sub-cellular level)

High 6-A at most 4-B and MFTL+ Reaction&Combat Speed For Kid Ben
Since Kid Gwen is physically rated as High 6-A, at most 4-B i don't see any problem with this too
Feats For Ben:
- Dodged and Kicked Mutated Kevin in the face and harmed him
- Took a solid hit from Pre Cyborgization Vilgax, who is able to tank a blast that could harm Post Cyborgization Vilgax:

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• Was able to tank an shockwave attack that also could hurt Mutated form Kevin
• Wasn't injured from throwed by Technorg

Agree: ActuallySpaceMan42 (agrees with abilities, no comment on scaling), FinePoint (agrees with everything except neutral with Ult echo echo disagrees with Malware high regen), Firestorm808 (agrees with everything except Ben's scaling, we are still discussing about that)
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Firestorm808]

It's on the list.

 

[Lort15]

high regen for malware added

 

[Hellformer]

You can add Massively FTL+ flight speed for Ultimate Echo Echo via being faster than Chromastone, Bigchill and Jetray.

 

[Lort15]

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[Ultimate-Rex1]

Dagon Resistance Removal and Inorganic Physiology:
All those resistances are based on leading questions which isn't accepted in vsbw site rules
- Possession (Ectonurites Cannot Possess Dagon)

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- Mind Manipulation & Corruption (Type 1 - immune to Whampire's corruptura)

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- Fear Manipulation, Sickness and Madness Manipulation (Type 3: Not afraid of Toepick's face)

I think he should be has Resistance to his own powers, as he made of his powers.

 

[Lort15]

I think it should be has Resistance to his own powers, as he made of his powers.

Don't think so Vladat king clearly stated that no one is immune to his hypnotize ability which includes his own race, he also stated Ben was able to resist because of his own willpower, also for Dagon it's iffy that just because he is power he should have resistance to his own powers we don't do that as far as i know in this site but firestorm can take a look when he is free

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Don't think so Vladat king clearly stated that no one is immune to his hypnotize ability which includes his own race

So? Vladat don't know about Dagon

he also stated Ben was able to resist because of his own willpower

What?????????????? I don't even say anything about this

also for Dagon it's iffy that just because he is power he should have resistance to his own powers

He made of the same power that corrupted people, so if you try to use corruption on him, ability wouldn't work against him because it's made of this same power. It can't corrupt the corrupt itself

we don't do that as far as i know in this site but firestorm can take a look when he is free

Some Characters has Resistance to his own powers due to made of his powers

 

[Lort15]

So? Vladat don't know about Dagon

What?????????????? I don't even say anything about this

He made of the same power that corrupted people, so if you try to use corruption on him, ability wouldn't work against him because it's made of this same power. It can't corrupt the corrupt itself

Some Characters has Resistance to his own powers due to made of his powers

oh lol i thought you meant dagon+ vladat well let me clarify it you want dagon to get resistance to his own powers?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

oh lol i thought you meant dagon+ vladat well let me clarify it you want dagon to get resistance to his own powers?

Yes

 

[Lort15]

Yes

oke then lets wait how firestorm respond to this

 

[GeneralSol16]

You can add Massively FTL+ flight speed for Ultimate Echo Echo via being faster than Chromastone, Bigchill and Jetray.

Don't you have more of those scans? I've seen that magazine but don't know where to read it

 

[Lort15]

Don't you have more of those scans? I've seen that magazine but don't know where to read it

Well ask Hellformer or Rosa they probably know where to read em

 

[Hellformer]

Don't you have more of those scans? I've seen that magazine but don't know where to read it

Nah

 

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[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Abilities all seem fine, no comment on scaling.

 

[FinePoint]

For the most part I agree with everything and/or don't see anything wrong with it unless I'm missing context. Except:

I will not comment on the "fastest flier" statement and the resulting scaling, or really the scaling in general. I'm not knowledgeable on the verse, so I'm too likely to miss things there.

I do not think Malware should be granted High regen based on the scan. It seems pretty clear from what he said that the weapon simply didn't work properly due to targeting DNA and his being mutated. That is to say: I think it's just a limitation for the weapon that it expects normal DNA.

 

[Lort15]

For the most part I agree with everything and/or don't see anything wrong with it unless I'm missing context. Except:

I will not comment on the "fastest flier" statement and the resulting scaling, or really the scaling in general. I'm not knowledgeable on the verse, so I'm too likely to miss things there.

the statement scales him above Chromastone, Bigchill and Jetray who have MFTL+ flight speed that's why he must have MFTL+ speed the calcs are already being made and approved in the profiles

I do not think Malware should be granted High regen based on the scan. It seems pretty clear from what he said that the weapon simply didn't work properly due to targeting DNA and his being mutated. That is to say: I think it's just a limitation for the weapon that it expects normal DNA.

i suppose this is just resistance to biologicial & durability negation then

 

[Lort15]

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[Firestorm808]

• Whampire
  • Whampire correction: Body puppetry (Corrupturas controls the victim's body not their mind as we can see they are free to think and they don't want it but their bodies are forced to fight.)
    • Fine
  • Mind manipulation via hypnosis (Upscaling from Vladat King, he is able to hypnotize minds, he said no one is immune to his hypnotize until Ben shows up, he states that Ben's willpower is strong.)
    • Fine
• Dagon
  • Resistance Removal
    • All those resistances are based on leading questions which isn't accepted in vsbw site rules
    • Possession (Ectonurites Cannot Possess Dagon)
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    • Mind Manipulation & Corruption (Type 1 - immune to Whampire's corruptura)
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    • Fear Manipulation, Sickness and Madness Manipulation (Type 3: Not afraid of Toepick's face)
    • Removal of abilities without something in the canon suggesting it is fine.
  • Inorganic Physiology (Type 1, Vilgax's power absorption machine was able to absorp Dagon completely with alone his body because of his essence is made of power:
    • Psyphon: Under normal conditions this machine simply absorbs power, draws it into itself.
    • Dagon: But my substance is power!
    • Psyphon: Yes, most regrettable for you.)
    • Fine
• Aggregor for Base and Mutated Form:
  • Power Nullification via tech (this gadget Aggregor have is able to nullify Andromeda aliens' powers, also as shown in here)
    • Fine
  • Teleportation via tech and Alpha rune (Aggregor's ship teleported Aggregor and Rad to his own ship, teleported himself from Ledgerdomain)
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    • Fine
  • All abilities of 5 Andromeda Aliens (He absorbed andromeda aliens without any restriction of their powers thanks to his technology the aliens: Absorbed all the powers of Terraspin, NRG, Water Hazard, Armodrillo, and AmpFibian)
    • Fine
  • Sealing (Sealed all Andromeda aliens into capsules
    • I suppose
  • BFR was able to teleport back Andromeda aliens to their own capsules again)
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    • I guess.
  • Massively FTL+ flight speed for Ultimate Echo Echo via being faster than Chromastone, Bigchill and Jetray.
    • Okay.
• Omnitrix
  • Power bestowal, Limited Body Puppetry (Omnitrix controlled Ditto's bodies and forced them to fly each other for detransformation, Ditto doesn't have ability to Fly)
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    • Fine
• Malware:
  • Regeneration (High: regenerated after getting apart from a tachyon cannon, a weapon that can take apart opponents at sub-cellular level)
    • Fine
• High 6-A at most 4-B and MFTL+ Reaction&Combat Speed For Kid Ben
  • Since Kid Gwen is physically rated as High 6-A, at most 4-B i don't see any problem with this too
    • To clarify, did Kid Gwen tank magic attacks raw from Charcaster?
• Feats For Ben:
  • Dodged and Kicked Mutated Kevin in the face and harmed him
    • Harm? Not really.
  • Took a solid hit from Pre Cyborgization Vilgax, who is able to tank a blast that could harm Post Cyborgization Vilgax:
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      • Eh, unclear if Vilgax was serious on that hit.
  • Was able to tank an shockwave attack that also could hurt Mutated form Kevin
    • Maybe? These are control devices for prisoners. More about causing pain from the electric shock than durability.
  • Wasn't injured from throwed by Technorg
    • I wouldn't consider this a serious attack or anything.

 

[Lort15]

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• Malware:
  • Regeneration (High: regenerated after getting apart from a tachyon cannon, a weapon that can take apart opponents at sub-cellular level)
    • Fine

btw could u check the scan again i might be wrong about it tho

I do not think Malware should be granted High regen based on the scan. It seems pretty clear from what he said that the weapon simply didn't work properly due to targeting DNA and his being mutated. That is to say: I think it's just a limitation for the weapon that it expects normal DNA.

• High 6-A at most 4-B and MFTL+ Reaction&Combat Speed For Kid Ben
  • Since Kid Gwen is physically rated as High 6-A, at most 4-B i don't see any problem with this too
    • To clarify, did Kid Gwen tank magic attacks raw from Charcaster?

i wasn't referring to magic blast, its the physcially one

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Gwen Tennyson is a Human/Anodite hybrid, the paternal cousin of Ben Tennyson and was a main member of his team during the first 3 shows. Tier: At least High 6-A, at most 4-B, up to 5-C, at most 4-B via The Keystone of Bezel | 4-B, higher with Absorption | 4-A, higher with Absorption Key...

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• Feats For Ben:
  • Dodged and Kicked Mutated Kevin in the face and harmed him
    • Harm? Not really.

he was literally disturbed by ben's kick tho, Ben 10 isn't a type of show which shows blood in every hit someone get so

• Took a solid hit from Pre Cyborgization Vilgax, who is able to tank a blast that could harm Post Cyborgization Vilgax:
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    • Eh, unclear if Vilgax was serious on that hit.

Vilgax isn't type of a person who would hold back against a kid he doesn't have any mercy for anyone (except his own race)

• Was able to tank an shockwave attack that also could hurt Mutated form Kevin
  • Maybe? These are control devices for prisoners. More about causing pain from the electric shock than durability.

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• Wasn't injured from throwed by Technorg
  • I wouldn't consider this a serious attack or anything.

he was angry because he thought ben throw some food to his face, also we did count Clockwork's durability from the exact reason

Clockwork (Ben 10)

Clockwork is the Omnitrix's DNA sample of a Chronosapien, a species of biomechanical lifeforms from an unknown planet. Tier: 4-B, Low 1-C via Temporal Energy Absorption | 4-A, Low 1-C via Temporal Energy Absorption Keys: Base | Upgraded by Techno-Bubble Name: Clockwork Origin: Ben 10 Gender...

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[Ultimate-Rex1]

i wasn't referring to magic blast, its the physcially one

Gwen Tennyson (Original)

Gwen Tennyson is a Human/Anodite hybrid, the paternal cousin of Ben Tennyson and was a main member of his team during the first 3 shows. Tier: At least High 6-A, at most 4-B, up to 5-C, at most 4-B via The Keystone of Bezel | 4-B, higher with Absorption | 4-A, higher with Absorption Key...

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You should mentioned that Mana are Universal Energy System

 

[Lort15]

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[jgms2008]

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[Firestorm808]

btw could u check the scan again i might be wrong about it tho



i wasn't referring to magic blast, its the physcially one

Gwen Tennyson (Original)

Gwen Tennyson is a Human/Anodite hybrid, the paternal cousin of Ben Tennyson and was a main member of his team during the first 3 shows. Tier: At least High 6-A, at most 4-B, up to 5-C, at most 4-B via The Keystone of Bezel | 4-B, higher with Absorption | 4-A, higher with Absorption Key...

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he was literally disturbed by ben's kick tho, Ben 10 isn't a type of show which shows blood in every hit someone get so

Vilgax isn't type of a person who would hold back against a kid he doesn't have any mercy for anyone (except his own race)


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he was angry because he thought ben throw some food to his face, also we did count Clockwork's durability from the exact reason

Clockwork (Ben 10)

Clockwork is the Omnitrix's DNA sample of a Chronosapien, a species of biomechanical lifeforms from an unknown planet. Tier: 4-B, Low 1-C via Temporal Energy Absorption | 4-A, Low 1-C via Temporal Energy Absorption Keys: Base | Upgraded by Techno-Bubble Name: Clockwork Origin: Ben 10 Gender...

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Clockwork and Looma was a legitimate fight to defeat each other, whereas Ben being thrown along the lunch table wasn't.

I suppose the one with Vilgax is fine to use.

 

[Lort15]

Clockwork and Looma was a legitimate fight to defeat each other, whereas Ben being thrown along the lunch table wasn't.

Technoorg also wanted to give ben a big fight he wanted to kick his butt, because he thought ben throwed the food at him

I suppose the one with Vilgax is fine to use.

alr

 

[Lort15]

Clockwork and Looma was a legitimate fight to defeat each other, whereas Ben being thrown along the lunch table wasn't.

I suppose the one with Vilgax is fine to use.

Okay so i will write MFTL reaction and combat speed for (dodged Mutant kevin's attacked and kicked hım in the face)
And for durability i will take Vilgax's feat how about AP? Should it still remain or can we use a feat that where ben harms kid Gwen? since ben was accepted to be comparable to gwen in scaling

 

[Lort15]

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[Firestorm808]

Okay so i will write MFTL reaction and combat speed for (dodged Mutant kevin's attacked and kicked hım in the face)

Dodging Kevin's attack is fine.

I would scale durability to Ben's weaker aliens at the time that would take damage from Vilgax too.

 

[Lort15]

Dodging Kevin's attack is fine.

I would scale durability to Ben's weaker aliens at the time that would take damage from Vilgax too.

Alr, the only thing left is AP what do you think about the scan i have sent in my previous message?

 

[Firestorm808]

Alr, the only thing left is AP what do you think about the scan i have sent in my previous message?

I would refrain from using that.

 

[Lort15]

I would refrain from using that.

Hmm i remember we were scaling Ben and Gwen comparable to both in physicals it was in the scaling chain blog someone made that we are using why not now? Also ben is a quarter anodite that must give hım some mana ues as well