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Ben 10: Tier 4 Upgrade

Hellformer said:
Wdym?
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After Humungousaur punched the Entropy Pump the explosion was nullified correct? The energy had already build up to critical level and the thing was already about to explode. So, unless you can explain how a character can destroy a bomb with an active charge without turning it off, then Humungousaur had to nullify that energy in some way.
 
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Celestial_Scaler25 said:
After Humungousaur punched the Entropy Pump the explosion was nullified correct? The energy had already build up to critical level and thing was already about to explode. So, unless you can explain how a character can destroy a bomb with an active charge without turning it off, then Humungousaur had to nullify that energy in some way.
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This interpretation seems concrete
Firestorm808 said:
The passage means that Ben was too late to stop Aggregor's transformation but not too late to stop the explosion.
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Reiner04 said:
I think we can downscale and upscale characters from UA aggregor
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Ultimate Kevin, Ult Hsaur and Ult Echo Echo would upscale from Aggregor's dura.
Ben's regular aliens would downscale from Ultimate Hsaur, as well as OS aliens downscaling from UAF aliens.
Eatle, Lucubrax and Ascalon would scale from Ultimate Humongousaur, considering how George and Benn were similar to each other.
Anodize Gwen would upscale George and all of Ben's Ultimates.
Way Big would upscale from Kevin's mutation and all the math you guys aways do with that.
Malgax, Atomix and Ultimate Way Big would upscale regular UAF Way Big.
Maltruant and Atomic-X would upscale Atomix.

So, yeh, it'd something like that if we scale everything from Aggregor.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Ultimate Kevin, Ult Hsaur and Ult Echo Echo would upscale from Aggregor's dura.
Ben's regular aliens would downscale from Ultimate Hsaur, as well as OS aliens downscaling from UAF aliens.
Eatle, Lucubrax and Ascalon would scale from Ultimate Humongousaur, considering how George and Benn were similar to each other.
Anodize Gwen would upscale George and all of Ben's Ultimates.
Way Big would upscale from Kevin's mutation and all the math you guys aways do with that.
Malgax, Atomix and Ultimate Way Big would upscale regular UAF Way Big.
Maltruant and Atomic-X would upscale Atomix.

So, yeh, it'd something like that if we scale everything from Aggregor.
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It's way better if we do it via Humungousaur. Let's see if firestorm agrees.
 
Omegabronic said:
Since Ultimate Aggregor is currently accepted as 6x stronger than his base, i guess we could use that for downscaling?
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Yeah. Smth like;

Classic Aliens are 1/100 of Ultimates = 157.916666667 GigaFoe.

Based on current scaling chain on the page, Each of Andromeda Aliens will scale to 1/6th agregor's durability and power. Considering each of Andromeda aliens has dura equivalent to their AP, Each Andromeda Aliens will have 1.579167 TeraFoe AP, regular aliens of AF and UAF scales to the Andromedas per page's scaling chain.

Regular Ultimates, including UA Kevin and Waybig, are 10 times that of regulars, making them 15.79167 TeraFoe in AP.

Omniverse transformed Kevin is 17*classic aliens 2.68458333333 TeraFoe in AP and 19*classic Aliens 3.00041666667 TeraFoe in durability.

UA waybig would upscale further from all be4.
 
Celestial_Scaler25 said:
After Humungousaur punched the Entropy Pump the explosion was nullified correct? The energy had already build up to critical level and the thing was already about to explode. So, unless you can explain how a character can destroy a bomb with an active charge without turning it off, then Humungousaur had to nullify that energy in some way.
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Hellformer said:
Humungousaur pushed untransformed aggregor first and then smashed the portal. So in context, the output energy was a threat because it would blow up the solar system.
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I am skeptical that this is the case.

I would like the opinion of other staff on the matter.
 
Greenshifter said:
Yeah Humungousaur nulled the tear in reality somehow
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Celestial_Scaler25 said:
After Humungousaur punched the Entropy Pump the explosion was nullified correct? The energy had already build up to critical level and the thing was already about to explode. So, unless you can explain how a character can destroy a bomb with an active charge without turning it off, then Humungousaur had to nullify that energy in some way.
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Humungousaur didn't nullify the reality destruction. He simply nullified/equalized the energy required to cause the reality destruction. The Entropy Pump built up the required energy and was gonna explode, the energy had to go somewhere.
 
Hellformer said:

Introduction​

This thread is intended to portray consistent tier 4 feats/statements for Ben's aliens along with establishment of a chain scale that would apply to all the iterations of Ben 10 (except reboot).

Tier 4 feat/statement(s)​

Entropy Pump's DC​

According to professor paradox, if you start dropping bombs on an active entropy pump, the results could be disastrous, as in destroying reality accross several light years disastrous.

Basically dropping bombs initiates the destruction to take place.

Humungousaur's feat​

Let's break it down into steps:

According to Firestorm and how previous threads have been going, the term several should be considered as 6-7 light years in this context with the nearest star system being present at 4.24 light years away from Earth. Hence the energy value should be considered as baseline 4-A or 20.08 TeraFoe (could be higher but sticking to a lowball).
Calculating the energy output using the same method as this accepted blog:
Er=1.5LY (since the staffs have suggested that the term several should be considered as 3LY in diameter)
Br=696340km=6.9634*10⁸m (Sun's radius)
U=5.693*10⁴¹J (Sun's GBE)
E=4*U*(Er/Br)²=9.4578*10⁵⁶J=9.4578TeraFoe (4-B)

Consistency​

Chain Scaling​

  • Humungousaur smashed an overloaded Entropy Pump portal hard enough to prevent the destruction of reality accross several light years. Aggregor implied of tanking that destruction while absorbing the Andromeda aliens. Hence concluding that UAF Aliens have an attack potency equivalent to destruction of several light years. The equivalent energy value would be 9.4578 TeraFoe or tier 4-B.
  • Kevin's Absorption was stated to have 1/10th of the strength of whatever aliens he absorbed and later even by Aggregor. Ultimate Kevin had all the unlocked aliens in the Ultimatrix absorbed and was shown nearly on par with Ultimate Humungousaur.
  • Assigning the attack potency of all base aliens as variable X (X=9.4578 TeraFoe), along with taking in account his own strength, 1/10th of Ultimate Aggregor's strength and 1/10th of 22 unlocked aliens that account for relevant AP in the Ultimatrix and 5 Ultimate aliens along with Alan. (excluding waybig and taking his strength as seperate due to large gap). Here's how we can figure out the unknown data: X+1/10×(6X+22X+X+20X+4X+W)=10X, W=37X=349.9387 TeraFoe (4-A) where W=Waybig's AP
  • Classic aliens who are 1/10th of their UAF/OV counterparts due to Vilgax getting 10 times stronger in UAF, would scale to 0.94578 TeraFoe (4-B).
  • Ultimate Humungousaur being 10x stronger than his base form would put his attack potency at 94.578 TeraFoe (4-A). This would also be the same tier as Ultimate Kevin and Ultimate Echo echo due to them being comparable to each other.
  • Ultimate waybig and Dagon would be stronger than base waybig hence their AP should be rated as >349.9387 TeraFoe.
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
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You should be add Firestorm's vote 😭
 
Sir George with Ascalon should now scale relative to Ultimate Humungousaur level due to them being comparable to each other. And George wasn't holding back because in the prior fight he said that he would kill Ben in the next one (Amped Eatle would scale relative)
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Added this to the OP
 
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Firestorm808 said:
Summary of Event
  • Paradox: If you start dropping bombs on an active entropy pump, the results would be disastrous, as in destroying reality for a distance of several light dears disastrous.
    • If the Entropy Pump explodes, it will destroy an area of several light years.
  • Max: You're overloading that energy pump! In a few minutes, it'll blow!
  • Aggregor: In a few minutes, I won't care, I'll be ready to absorb the powers of all five of those aliens, I'll be unstoppable.
    • At some point before the Entropy Pump would explode, Aggregor would complete his transformation.
    • Aggregor states that his transformed state would have survived the explosion.
  • Max: The entropy pump's giving out! If we don't shut it off...
    • Shutting off the Time Portal/Entropy Pump would prevent it from exploding.
  • Humungousaur smashes the time portal with all his strength to shut it off and prevent the explosion.
    • At this point in time, Aggregor completed his transformation, and the Entropy Pump hadn't overloaded yet.
My Observations
  • Ultimate Aggregor's durability would scale to the Entropy Pump Blast
  • I don't think Humungousaur scales to this as all he did was punch the time portal to shut it off. With it off, it stops drawing power from the Entropy Pump and prevents it from overloading it.
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@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @LordGriffin1000

Your input on the thread is appreciated.
 
Gwen Anodite should be scales to WayBig:
  1. Dagon say Gwen Anodite is the strongest being in Ben's Dimension, Dagon is an expert in Dimensions and has visited many dimensions, so it should be included To'kustar in context. Also it should be included Ascalon at peak, which can counter Dagonax's blasts.
  2. Gwen Anodite capable of destroying Highbreed army, who has weapons can defeated Waybig, like hyperspace portal
  3. Can destroy all of Ultimate Aliens together, which means he can scales to 5× more stronger than Ultimate forms (except Ultimate Waybig)
  4. It should be above scales her mana field, which can take hit by Atomix.
  5. Comparable to Sunny Anodite, which unaffected by Gwen's amp spell, which can harmed/damaged Dagon.
Hellformer said:
I'll explain in dms
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Firestorm808 said:
@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @LordGriffin1000

Your input on the thread is appreciated.
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Firestorm808 said:
Summary of Event
  • Paradox: If you start dropping bombs on an active entropy pump, the results would be disastrous, as in destroying reality for a distance of several light dears disastrous.
    • If the Entropy Pump explodes, it will destroy an area of several light years.
  • Max: You're overloading that energy pump! In a few minutes, it'll blow!
  • Aggregor: In a few minutes, I won't care, I'll be ready to absorb the powers of all five of those aliens, I'll be unstoppable.
    • At some point before the Entropy Pump would explode, Aggregor would complete his transformation.
    • Aggregor states that his transformed state would have survived the explosion.
  • Max: The entropy pump's giving out! If we don't shut it off...
    • Shutting off the Time Portal/Entropy Pump would prevent it from exploding.
  • Humungousaur smashes the time portal with all his strength to shut it off and prevent the explosion.
    • At this point in time, Aggregor completed his transformation, and the Entropy Pump hadn't overloaded yet.
My Observations
  • Ultimate Aggregor's durability would scale to the Entropy Pump Blast
  • I don't think Humungousaur scales to this as all he did was punch the time portal to shut it off. With it off, it stops drawing power from the Entropy Pump and prevents it from overloading it.
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Looks good
 
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