Ben 10: Tier 4 Upgrade

[GeneralSol16]

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Before this gets further.
Do you agree with the Uograde? Aside if if is 4-A or 4-B, do you agree with Ben's other aliens getting to Tier 4?

 

[Hellformer]

This is correct. It's 3, or "at least 3".

^Yeah, "several" would be at least 3, not 5.

Taking these staff statements into account, let's recalc the DC because stryum's calc has a tiny error.
Formula:
E=4*U*(Er/Br)²
U=5.693*10⁴¹J
Er=Span of a distance of atleast 3 light years from Earth=2.83821914*10¹⁶m
Br=696340km=6.9634*10⁸m
Therefore E=6.62E+57 J

 

[Hellformer]

Makes sense.

I agree. That shouldn't even be enough for a possibly rating.

If you guys don't mind can yall answer whether you guys agree with the thread?

Do you agree with the idea of removing 4-A entirely from the profiles, as that argument it's the entire basis for it?

Can you please stop derailing the thread from its actual topic? Didn't I tell you that I'll fix it?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Can you please stop derailing the thread from its actual topic? Didn't I tell you that I'll fix it?

[Asking for Staff about a downgrade of a tier = Derailment]

Wow.

I literally will stop given that enough staff agreed. I'll try making a calc on it later on.

 

[Hellformer]

[Asking for Staff about a downgrade of a tier = Derailment]

Wow.

I literally will stop given that enough staff agreed. I'll try making a calc on it later on.

You asked for that incurseans thingy which ain't a part of this thread

 

[StrymULTRA]

You asked for that incurseans thingy which ain't a part of this thread

It's technically relevant given that's literally a basis for that "possible 4-A" tbf.

But enough bickering.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Asking for Staff about a downgrade of a tier = Derailment]

If you want to get rid of that, then make a CRT about it, because this one doesn't even cover that, so is clearly out of topic and doesn't have an impact on that.

 

[Hellformer]

It's technically relevant given that's literally a basis for that "possible 4-A" tbf.

But enough bickering.

If you want to get rid of that, then make a CRT about it, because this one doesn't even cover that, so is clearly out of topic and doesn't have an impact on that.

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[Dark_Soul20189]

Do you agree with the idea of removing 4-A entirely from the profiles, as that argument it's the entire basis for it?

Pretty much agree that this does not meet the requirements.

Let's turn this upgrade into a downgrade, we already have 2 votes in favour of it.

 

[Hellformer]

Taking these staff statements into account, let's recalc the DC because stryum's calc has a tiny error.
Formula:
E=4*U*(Er/Br)²
U=5.693*10⁴¹J
Er=Span of a distance of atleast 3 light years from Earth=2.83821914*10¹⁶m
Br=696340km=6.9634*10⁸m
Therefore E=6.62E+57 J

Continuing the calc, on this wiki:
20.08TeraFoe=2.008*10⁵⁷J
So 1TeraFoe=10⁵⁶J
Therefore 6.62*10⁵⁷J=66.2TeraFoe (4-A)

 

[StrymULTRA]

If you want to get rid of that, then make a CRT about it, because this one doesn't even cover that, so is clearly out of topic and doesn't have an impact on that.

Nah, I already turned multiple CRTs in downgrades, so I will with this one too!

Continuing the calc, on this wiki:
20.08TeraFoe=2.008*10⁵⁷J
So 1TeraFoe=10⁵⁶J
Therefore 6.62*10⁵⁷J=66.2TeraFoe (4-A)

The calc is wrong because it assumes 3 LYs as the radius, not the diameter.

 

[Hellformer]

The calc is wrong because it assumes 3 LYs as the radius, not the diameter.

The distance is considered to be 3 light years from Earth, isn't it?
If not, just divide the result by 4:
E=66.2/4=16.55 TeraFoe(4-B+)

 

[StrymULTRA]

The distances is considered to be 3 light years from Earth, isn't it?

No. It's considered to be a 3 LYs explosion, which is this little in diameter.

If not, just divide the result by 4:
E=66.2/4=16.55 TeraFoe(4-B+)

This does not work, as the formula here uses powers, hence is exponential.

The MegaFOE end works just as fine.

 

[Hellformer]

No. It's considered to be a 3 LYs explosion, which is this little in diameter.

This does not work, as the formula here uses powers, hence is exponential.

The MegaFOE end works just as fine.

1 Light year=9.46073*10¹⁵ m
You considered 1.5 ly as 1.4191*10¹³m which is why its mathematically wrong

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

Why staff only replies to downgrades and not upgrades ?
Like staff gave no opinion about op (reason that this CRT is made) but replied to downgrade suggestion.
This also happens when someone makes a downgrade thread (it gets many staff votes in no time) but upgrade threads get no attention and take a lot of time

 

[Hellformer]

1 Light year=9.46073*10¹⁵ m
You considered 1.5 ly as 1.4191*10¹³m which is why its mathematically wrong

Final calc

 

[StrymULTRA]

The distance is considered to be 3 light years from Earth, isn't it?
If not, just divide the result by 4:
E=66.2/4=16.55 TeraFoe(4-B+)

OK noticed that I messed up with the calc lol.

Based on this more recent one.

• Gravitational Binding Energy of the Sun for the average stars= 5.693e41 Joules
• The radius of the Sun for the average star: 695510000 m
• Radius = 1.419109571e16 m
• Energy = 4*5.693e41*(1.419109571e16/695510000)^2 = 9.48039158e56 Joules or 9.48 TeraFOE (4-B)

It won't reach in 4-B+ as the baseline is 10.04 TeraFOE, but upscaling will do it as the gap is x1.06

 

[Hellformer]

Why staff only replies to downgrades and not upgrades ?
Like staff gave no opinion about op (reason that this CRT is made) but replied to downgrade suggestion.
This also happens when someone makes a downgrade thread (it gets many staff votes in no time) but upgrade threads get no attention and take a lot of time

You know the reason and so do I.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Final calc

Lol got the same result as I did.

 

[Hellformer]

Lol got the same result as I did.

Are you sure if this method even works correctly? Because the DB blog you that you linked earlier which uses the same calc had too many rejections in its comments

 

[StrymULTRA]

Are you sure if this method even works correctly? Because the DB blog you that you linked earlier which uses the same calc had too many rejections in its comments

Rejections by who?

It's even used rn on Cell's profile.

 

[Hellformer]

Rejections by who?

It's even used rn on Cell's profile.

The one which you linked in the last page. The new one linked by you seems accepted.

 

[Hellformer]

Anyways imma replace this calc in the OP

 

[Damage3245]

Why staff only replies to downgrades and not upgrades ?
Like staff gave no opinion about op (reason that this CRT is made) but replied to downgrade suggestion.
This also happens when someone makes a downgrade thread (it gets many staff votes in no time) but upgrade threads get no attention and take a lot of time

I don't have an opinion on the thread yet; I was only called in to clarify a matter regarding "several".

 

[DemonicDude]

I've contacted Calc group members. Don't derail the thread, they will check it. Everything will be crystal clear.

 

[StrymULTRA]

The one which you linked in the last page. The new one linked by you seems accepted.

I mean, all I see here are:

• Failed attempts at updating/lowballing the calc which were destroyed by this one.
• People bitching about the usage of a videogame despite this blog exists.

Plus, as I said, it's used on his profile and the current AP blog.

I tried using both formula for the Ben 10 case and the change is generally minimal, as it gave me 9.475 TeraFOE using the Cell calc as basis.

 

[Hellformer]

I mean, all I see here are:

• Failed attempts at updating/lowballing the calc which were destroyed by this one.
• People bitching about the usage of a videogame despite this blog exists.

Plus, as I said, it's used on his profile and the current AP blog.

I tried using both formula for the Ben 10 case and the change is generally minimal, as it gave me 9.475 TeraFOE using the Cell calc as basis.

Replaced the calc stuff

 

[Reiner04]

Anyway, taking only 3 LYs as diameter:

Spoiler: Mathing

Basing on this calc:

GBE of the Sun: 5.693x10^41 Joules

Explosion Radius: 1.5 LYs, or 1.4191x10^13 meters

Body Radius: 1 Solar Radius, or 6.957x10^8 meters

E = 4*(5.693x10^41)*((1.4191x10^13)/(6.957x10^8))^2 = 9.47508618e50 Joules, or 9.475 MegaFOE (4-B)

Also this profile has weird stuff:

Incurseans are stated to be destroyers of Galaxies, which might be a over time feats, but enough to tell that they should at least have had some multi-stellar destroying weapons in possession

This shouldn't be used as even a supportive feat, we ain't givin't Majin Buu anything higher than 4-B despite having multiple statements of destroying the universe, so this shouldn't either.

Yeah I think 4-A should be removed entirely from the verse, not even be left as a "possibly".

1 LY = 9.461e+15 meters
Correct value would be 9.4750862e+56 Joules. Still 4B tho.

 

[StrymULTRA]

1 LY = 9.461e+15 meters

OK noticed that I messed up with the calc lol.

Based on this more recent one.

• Gravitational Binding Energy of the Sun for the average stars= 5.693e41 Joules
• The radius of the Sun for the average star: 695510000 m
• Radius = 1.419109571e16 m
• Energy = 4*5.693e41*(1.419109571e16/695510000)^2 = 9.48039158e56 Joules or 9.48 TeraFOE (4-B)

It won't reach in 4-B+ as the baseline is 10.04 TeraFOE, but upscaling will do it as the gap is x1.06

 

[Firestorm808]

Have the proposed calcs been verified by the calc team?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Have the proposed calcs been verified by the calc team?

Not yet, I still have to do it.

 

[Reiner04]

Not yet, I still have to do it.

I putt your calc in my blog and asked @Vzearr to evaluate it

Entropy Pump calc

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Hellformer]

I putt your calc in my blog and asked @Vzearr to evaluate it

Entropy Pump calc

vsbattles.fandom.com

It should be 9.4578 TeraFoe, not megafoe.
You used the wrong version of his calc.

 

[StrymULTRA]

I putt your calc in my blog and asked @Vzearr to evaluate it

Entropy Pump calc

vsbattles.fandom.com

You also shouldsay how "several" here means 3.

Plus 1.5 LYs is 1.4191x10^16 m, not 10^15.

 

[Reiner04]

It should be 9.4578 TeraFoe, not megafoe.
You used the wrong version of his calc.

Corrected

 

[Reiner04]

You also shouldsay how "several" here means 3.

Plus 1.5 LYs is 1.4191x10^16 m, not 10^15.

Done

 

[DemonicDude]

Done

Hi. pfp change soo quickly

 

[StrymULTRA]

Ben 10 beginning to shitstomp DBZ characters without Alien X is wild.

 

[Firestorm808]

Summary of Event

• Paradox: If you start dropping bombs on an active entropy pump, the results would be disastrous, as in destroying reality for a distance of several light dears disastrous.
  • If the Entropy Pump explodes, it will destroy an area of several light years.
• Max: You're overloading that energy pump! In a few minutes, it'll blow!
• Aggregor: In a few minutes, I won't care, I'll be ready to absorb the powers of all five of those aliens, I'll be unstoppable.
  • At some point before the Entropy Pump would explode, Aggregor would complete his transformation.
  • Aggregor states that his transformed state would have survived the explosion.
• Max: The entropy pump's giving out! If we don't shut it off...
  • Shutting off the Time Portal/Entropy Pump would prevent it from exploding.
• Humungousaur smashes the time portal with all his strength to shut it off and prevent the explosion.
  • At this point in time, Aggregor completed his transformation, and the Entropy Pump hadn't overloaded yet.

My Observations

• Ultimate Aggregor's durability would scale to the Entropy Pump Blast
• I don't think Humungousaur scales to this as all he did was punch the time portal to shut it off. With it off, it stops drawing power from the Entropy Pump and prevents it from overloading it.

 

[Hellformer]

• Max: The entropy pump's giving out! If we don't shut it off...
  • Shutting off the Time Portal/Entropy Pump would prevent it from exploding.

Max states that the entropy pump is giving out and the guidebook states that Ben couldn't stop aggregor in time which is why he had to smash the portal to nullify the output energy.