Ben 10 - Tier 2 Feats and Scaling Recalculations

[Firestorm808]

Here is the current list of feats and scaling that I know are affected by the recent approval of the 2-C structure of "the Universe" (Earth Space-Time and Null Void Space-Time).

If I am missing others that are affected, please let me know.

Accepted Thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/ben-10-timelines-and-dimensions-structure-proposal-accepted.142279/

Cosmology Blog: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Firestorm808/Ben_10_-_Cosmology

• 2-C
  • Annhilarg Destruction
    • Similar to Champa and Beerus' Tier 2 feat.
  • Azmuth/Galvans w/ Prep
    • Created the Null Void Space-time
    • Created the Omnitrix Self Destruct
  • Omnitrix Self Destruct
    • Would destroy "the Universe" (Earth Space-Time and Null Void Space-Time)
  • Alien X / Celestialsapiens
    • Azmuth says that Alien X can do anything.
      • His people are well know for having created the Null Void space-time.
      • His Omnitrix would destroy "the Universe" (Earth Space-Time and Null Void Space-Time)
    • Recreated "the Universe" after it was destroyed.

 

[Reiner04]

Since 2c universe has been accepted, i agree with it.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I agree as well.

 

[Alexander]

agreed

 

[Hasty12345]

pretty simple, I agree

 

[Dereck03]

This is pretty straightforward, agree.

 

[Lovemovies14]

Agree obviously although I argue Alien X should be higher than 2C

 

[Lovemovies14]

I'm busy right now because I have to do something, but if you're going to ask me why I think he should be higher I will be back to explain why.

 

[Antvasima]

I also think that this seems uncontroversial to apply.

 

[Greenshifter]

I'm busy right now because I have to do something, but if you're going to ask me why I think he should be higher I will be back to explain why.

No you’re gonna create your own thread when this one is done or none at all.

That said I agree with the OP since it’s straightforward.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

agree

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

agree

 

[Lovemovies14]

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[Alexander]

Hey I'm back. I recommend looking at these just in case:

Proof that Ben 10 top tiers characters and weapons can destroy infinite multiverses and have infinite speed

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docs.google.com

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Michael Selph's answer: He hasn’t shown any Multiversal scale feats on screen, but using reliable statements from the show and WoG, he is vastly above anything on a Multiversal scale. First, his on screen feats: Alien X reverses time in his first appearance. Serena also tells Ben that Alien X c...

www.quora.com

How big is the Omniverse in Ben 10?

Michael Selph's answer: Edit: Explaining it better and making it easier to understand. It will pretty much just be copied and pasted from a post I did in a debate, because I thought it was a really good explanation of the size of the Cosmos. The Cosmos of Ben 10 is big and it is referred to as ...

www.quora.com

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character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com

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could you do it calmly you know?yhis is not the time ok

 

[Lovemovies14]

^I'm just leaving it there just in case, I said was that they could look after they are done.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

I agree with upgrade.

 

[NHTkenshin2]

Defo agree

 

[Sus]

I agree
tier 2 alien x finally

 

[Elizhaa]

Proposals seem fine.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

Hey I'm back. I recommend looking at these just in case:

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docs.google.com

Ben 10 characters part 2

Ben characters top and high tiers stats and abilities part 2 Read Ben 10 characters stats and abilities part 1 here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AunMIWEP0A1ms__5Rcc9RMO0yrBKcRaCQbXF-KSydHA/edit Professor Paradox stats Infinite/ immeasurable speed: in the Ben 10 Ultimate Alien episod...

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Has Alien X done anything on a multiversal scale? If not, does that make clockwork, Ben 10's most powerful transformation?

Michael Selph's answer: He hasn’t shown any Multiversal scale feats on screen, but using reliable statements from the show and WoG, he is vastly above anything on a Multiversal scale. First, his on screen feats: Alien X reverses time in his first appearance. Serena also tells Ben that Alien X c...

www.quora.com

How big is the Omniverse in Ben 10?

Michael Selph's answer: Edit: Explaining it better and making it easier to understand. It will pretty much just be copied and pasted from a post I did in a debate, because I thought it was a really good explanation of the size of the Cosmos. The Cosmos of Ben 10 is big and it is referred to as ...

www.quora.com

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The cosmology map

put it in a seperate thread, after this one is finished

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

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docs.google.com

Ben 10 characters part 2

Ben characters top and high tiers stats and abilities part 2 Read Ben 10 characters stats and abilities part 1 here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1AunMIWEP0A1ms__5Rcc9RMO0yrBKcRaCQbXF-KSydHA/edit Professor Paradox stats Infinite/ immeasurable speed: in the Ben 10 Ultimate Alien episod...

docs.google.com

Has Alien X done anything on a multiversal scale? If not, does that make clockwork, Ben 10's most powerful transformation?

Michael Selph's answer: He hasn’t shown any Multiversal scale feats on screen, but using reliable statements from the show and WoG, he is vastly above anything on a Multiversal scale. First, his on screen feats: Alien X reverses time in his first appearance. Serena also tells Ben that Alien X c...

www.quora.com

How big is the Omniverse in Ben 10?

Michael Selph's answer: Edit: Explaining it better and making it easier to understand. It will pretty much just be copied and pasted from a post I did in a debate, because I thought it was a really good explanation of the size of the Cosmos. The Cosmos of Ben 10 is big and it is referred to as ...

www.quora.com

Ben 10 Classic Cosmology

character-stats-and-profiles.fandom.com

The cosmology map

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[Firestorm808]

Alright, it seems we have enough input. I'll start listing the profiles affected by this for the unlocks.

 

[KLOL506]

This definitely looks promising. The scans match up quite well. I agree with the changes.

 

[Reiner04]

That said I agree with the OP since it’s straightforward

Hope everything in the future stay straightforward as well

 

[PrinceofPein]

Won't this change after the tier 2 revisions?

 

[Aachintya31]

@Firestorm808 @Antvasima
Since tier 2 becomes more metaphysical on interactions.
We should also remove such this

• Note that this feat doesn't give Alien X Universe level durability as the Annihilargh doesn't blow up the universe as if with an explosion coming from the device.

 

[Reiner04]

Won't this change after the tier 2 revisions?

Then it won't change for other few years.

And anyway, what those revisions will lead to should be discussed when those revisions are done.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Then it won't change for other few years.

And anyway, what those revisions will lead to should be discussed when those revisions are done.

Hahaha you are out of luck this time, surprisingly, everyone is almost in agreement for the first time ever

 

[Reiner04]

Hahaha you are out of luck this time, surprisingly, everyone is almost in agreement for the first time ever

That's good, I'll look forward when that'll be completely done. Hopefully there won't be anything new to restrict the revisions.

 

[Aachintya31]

Won't this change after the tier 2 revisions?

From what i see that revision proposes less strict standards for 3A to Low 2-C specifically.

 

[PrinceofPein]

From what i see that revision proposes less strict standards for 3A to Low 2-C specifically.

Idk about that, but it certainly makes tier 2 clearer and more straightforward.

 

[Reiner04]

Idk about that, but it certainly makes tier 2 clearer and more straightforward.

I read that thread and it's true that it specifically focused on low 2c, but let's go over even 2c and makes it necessary to mention spacetime being affected even then it is established in Ben 10 that it is necessary to breach spacetime itself to be capable of travelling in nullvoid, even something as simple as nullvoid projector work like that, that said it won't affect this feat.

 

[PrinceofPein]

I read that thread and it's true that it specifically focused on low 2c, but let's go over even 2c and makes it necessary to mention spacetime being affected even then it is established necessary in Ben 10 to breach spacetime itself to be capable of travelling in nullvoid, even something as simple as nullvoid work like that, that said it won't affect this feat.

Like I said I don't know about Ben 10 that much, the revision should soon be over and when it is, then you can adjust accordingly like I said

 

[KLOL506]

Won't this change after the tier 2 revisions?

Doubt it will.

1. Space-time is affected

2. The dimensions are physically separate from each other (Separated by a barrier) and can't be travelled through with sheer speed, they need portals to get through

3. Null Void's got a different flow of time

4. Null Void is designated as a space-time continuum as per the Null Void Gun's description of connecting other space-time continuums via space-time rifts.

You might also want to check the Site Standards that Firestorm already had taken into account in advance.

 

[KLOL506]

Basically in essence this is a bit more straightforward than what Norse God of War's got right now, and a little bit on par with Greek God of War.

 

[PrinceofPein]

Basically in essence this is a bit more straightforward than what Norse God of War's got right now, and a little bit on par with Greek God of War.

What I was kind of referring to was the destructions of this realms
and yeah based on your explanation, the cosmology is a solid 2-C, what was I was asking was the destruction of it tier 2, as I guess that is what the thread here is based about

 

[Reiner04]

What I was kind of referring to was the destructions of this realms
and yeah based on your explanation, the cosmology is a solid 2-C, what was I was asking was the destruction of it tier 2, as I guess that is what the thread here is based about

Yes, anything that needs to travel to nullvoid or another spacetime continuum must breach/affect spacetime continuum itself In Ben 10 as established.

 

[KLOL506]

What I was kind of referring to was the destructions of this realms

Oh, okay.

and yeah based on your explanation, the cosmology is a solid 2-C, what was I was asking was the destruction of it tier 2, as I guess that is what the thread here is based about

Alright then. We can wait for @Firestorm808's response.

 

[Lord_Farquaad69420]

now we just need to find that the ben 10 universe has infinite universes

 

[Aachintya31]

What I was kind of referring to was the destructions of this realms
and yeah based on your explanation, the cosmology is a solid 2-C, what was I was asking was the destruction of it tier 2, as I guess that is what the thread here is based about

The cosmology is endless in 2B.
We have had this discussion in the previous thread about what comprises the universe
and it was concluded that it's a combination of two infinite spatiotemporal structures namely null void spacetime and Earth ( main dimension) spacetime.
The destruction or recreation of said universe grants Tier 2-C