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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

Ghengiroo115 said:
Honestly you can scale him to that tier by just upscaling him from Prime Eon, which is why I have him so high.

Prime Eon >= Ultimate Ben Clockwork ≈ hypothetical OV Ben 10K Clockwork < Atomic-X < Maltruant

Before I treated Ultimate Ben as a self-contained thing with his own scaling, but I’ve changed my mind on that. I feel like it’s silly for “Ultimate Ben” to be the only one with multiversal scaling when it’s not stated that he’s more powerful than he would be otherwise, especially when there’s no obvious reason for him to be that strong.

You can also argue Dagon is above both Prime Eon and the Alpha Rune which is why he’s number 1, though in both Dagon and Maltruant’s cases I’m not 100% on it because I doubt they were intended to be multiverse busters. Narratively though they feel like they’re meant to be above basically every other Ben 10 villain, so I guess that’s what happens when you give a random villain a blatant multiversal statement lol. You could make it more consistent by lowballing Eon’s statement to just universal, but it’s obvious that by “timeline” he means every timeline since that’s the only way he could get rid of every Ben.
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Even a single timeline in Ben 10 Is 2-A so
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Even a single timeline in Ben 10 Is 2-A so
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Forgot to clarify, by “universal” and “multiversal” I meant in the context of Ben 10. Destroying a timeline in Ben 10 would be a 2-A feat based on how the cosmology is on the wiki, but in-universe it’s a “universal” feat if that makes sense.

I default to “universal” and “multiversal” as vague descriptors that can be used regardless of how big or small the structures are.
 
In Trouble Helix, Diamondhead punched Malware so hard he went flying through the Helix, shattering it. With the Helix later showing tanking the destruction of Galvan B.

Should this be considered for a future upgrade?
 
GeneralSol16 said:
In Trouble Helix, Diamondhead punched Malware so hard he went flying through the Helix, shattering it. With the Helix later showing tanking the destruction of Galvan B.

Should this be considered for a future upgrade?
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For now that sounds OK. That was the secondary Helix Diamondhead destroyed so I’m not 100% sure if it would have the same durability as the primary one, but I feel like it should since Azmuth made them both and they look identical.

It’s not like it’s inconsistent or anything either. The Mechamorphs and the Helix don’t take the full force of the explosion since they’re on the surface of the moon, unlike Malware who was merged with it and basically self-destructed himself. It just means 11 year old Diamondhead scales above the Mechamorphs and their feat, which he already did thanks to Malware claiming himself superior to them.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, the Mechamorphs’ bodies were also basically fully intact after the explosion. They were dead, but that seemed to be more from Malware’s hax rather than the explosion’s raw power.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
For now that sounds OK. That was the secondary Helix Diamondhead destroyed so I’m not 100% sure if it would have the same durability as the primary one, but I feel like it should since Azmuth made them both and they look identical.
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They looked, worked, and were in exactly the same place, it was never shown to be another Helix and Albedo said that that was the primary and secondary helix
Ghengiroo115 said:
It’s not like it’s inconsistent or anything either. The Mechamorphs and the Helix don’t take the full force of the explosion since they’re on the surface of the moon, unlike Malware who was merged with it and basically self-destructed himself. It just means 11 year old Diamondhead scales above the Mechamorphs and their feat, which he already did thanks to Malware claiming himself superior to them.
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I mean, the Helix was literally right next to Malware when it happened.
Ghengiroo115 said:
EDIT: Now that I think about it, the Mechamorphs’ bodies were also basically fully intact after the explosion. They were dead, but that seemed to be more from Malware’s hax rather than the explosion’s raw power.
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Yeah.
But malware and the Helix weren't underground afaik, they were at frogkd level but inside the tower
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
For now that sounds OK.
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Ultimate-Rex1 said:
Lego Ben 10
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you too
 
I updated Ben 10 (Classic) category from [[Ben 10]] to [[Ben 10 (Classic)]].

@DemonicDude can you handle updating Reboot profiles category? If they have [[Ben 10]] or [[Ben 10 (Classic)]] category then update them to [[Ben 10 (Reboot)]] Category.
 
Reiner04 said:
I updated Ben 10 (Classic) category from [[Ben 10]] to [[Ben 10 (Classic)]].

@DemonicDude can you handle updating Reboot profiles category? If they have [[Ben 10]] or [[Ben 10 (Classic)]] category then update them to [[Ben 10 (Reboot)]] Category.
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Girl listen I love okay.
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now that the usual stuff is out of the way. This will take time cause i'm in a tournament. Give me 5-6 days
 
I am planning to nuke a lot of stuff from Profiles.
  • Concept will be downgraded to type 2.
  • Info type 2 will be removed from all characters except Omnitrix itself.
  • Anything related to Non-existence or White Void.
  • Entire Dagon Arc will be back to considered as inconsistent in terms of Powerscaling from combatt feats perspective (statement scaling will be applicable)
  • A new scaling chain discussion rule that divides Ben 10 characters (to resolves inconsistency) into:
    • God Tiers: Alien X, Dagon, Ascalon, Worthy characters with Ascalon, Ultimate Waybig (shall not be scaled to anyone below themselves).
    • High Tiers: UA Aggregor, Waybig, UA Kevin, Anodites, lucubra Vilgax (Can be scaled to anyone not God Tier as long as they have feats or showing to be comparable to them, be it in speed, strength or LS aspect (each aspect must have showing of being comparable))
    • Mid Tiers: Can be scaled to High Tiers in aspects the Mid Tiers are known for. For example Humungosaur is known for strength so he can scale to high tiers in strength if he has showing of being comparable, but not in other aspects.
      • Mid Tiers also includes characters who excell the other mid tiers in strength, speed and combatt but yet do not scale to High Tiers: Vilgax, Diamondhead, Chromastone, etc.
      • Characters can only scale to High Tiers in any aspect as long as it doesn't contradict the plot, if it does they shouldn't. Example: Humungasour scaling to UA Aggregor should be considered inconsistent.
    • Average: Do not scale to anyone above and only scale to their own or other Average Tier characters direct feats. Example: Ben, Spidermonkey, Echo Echo, Ditto, etc.
 
Reiner04 said:
I am planning to nuke a lot of stuff from Profiles.
  • Concept will be downgraded to type 2.
  • Info type 2 will be removed from all characters except Omnitrix itself.
  • Anything related to Non-existence or White Void.
  • Entire Dagon Arc will be back to considered as inconsistent in terms of Powerscaling from combatt feats perspective (statement scaling will be applicable)
  • A new scaling chain discussion rule that divides Ben 10 characters (to resolves inconsistency) into:
    • God Tiers: Alien X, Dagon, Ascalon, Worthy characters with Ascalon, Ultimate Waybig (shall not be scaled to anyone below themselves).
    • High Tiers: UA Aggregor, Waybig, UA Kevin, Anodites, lucubra Vilgax (Can be scaled to anyone not God Tier as long as they have feats or showing to be comparable to them, be it in speed, strength or LS aspect (each aspect must have showing of being comparable))
    • Mid Tiers: Can be scaled to High Tiers in aspects the Mid Tiers are known for. For example Humungosaur is known for strength so he can scale to high tiers in strength if he has showing of being comparable, but not in other aspects.
      • Mid Tiers also includes characters who excell the other mid tiers in strength, speed and combatt but yet do not scale to High Tiers: Vilgax, Diamondhead, Chromastone, etc.
      • Characters can only scale to High Tiers in any aspect as long as it doesn't contradict the plot, if it does they shouldn't. Example: Humungasour scaling to UA Aggregor should be considered inconsistent.
    • Average: Do not scale to anyone above and only scale to their own or other Average Tier characters direct feats. Example: Ben, Spidermonkey, Echo Echo, Ditto, etc.
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Reiner04 said:
I am planning to nuke a lot of stuff from Profiles.
  • Concept will be downgraded to type 2.
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😔
Reiner04 said:
  • Info type 2 will be removed from all characters except Omnitrix itself.
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Well i think sure
Reiner04 said:
  • Anything related to Non-existence or White Void.
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What do you mean?
Reiner04 said:
  • Entire Dagon Arc will be back to considered as inconsistent in terms of Powerscaling from combatt feats perspective (statement scaling will be applicable)
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So Sir George would be above Ultimate Humungousaur?
 
Anodites, Sir George, Lucubra Vilgax, they won't scale to anyone but someone within their realm of power.
 
Reiner04 said:
I am planning to nuke a lot of stuff from Profiles.
  • Concept will be downgraded to type 2.
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Huh? Why? Especially as space time things are related to the true names shit too.
Reiner04 said:
  • Info type 2 will be removed from all characters except Omnitrix itself.
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I genuinely don't know how you could do that while we have the God Code
Reiner04 said:
  • Entire Dagon Arc will be back to considered as inconsistent in terms of Powerscaling from combatt feats perspective (statement scaling will be applicable)
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What do you mean?
Reiner04 said:
  • A new scaling chain discussion rule that divides Ben 10 characters (to resolves inconsistency) into:
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That should have always been like that.
Reiner04 said:
    • God Tiers: Alien X, Celestialaapiens, Paradox.
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They should have their own tier no matter what.
Reiner04 said:
    • Top Tiers: Dagon, Lucubra Vilgax, amped Eatle, Ascalon, Worthy characters with Ascalon, Atomix, Way Big, Ultimate Waybig (shall not be scaled to anyone below themselves).
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They're least considered the strongest of all, so sure.
But base Way Big, Eatle and Atomix should be there.
Reiner04 said:
    • High Tiers: UA Aggregor, , UA Kevin, Anodites, (Can be scaled to anyone not God Tier as long as they have feats or showing to be comparable to them, be it in speed, strength or LS aspect (each aspect must have showing of being comparable))
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Anodite Gwen should not be on the same tier as Way Big.
Reiner04 said:
    • Mid Tiers: Can be scaled to High Tiers in aspects the Mid Tiers are known for. For example Humungosaur is known for strength so he can scale to high tiers in strength if he has showing of being comparable, but not in other aspects.
      • Mid Tiers also includes characters who excell the other mid tiers in strength, speed and combatt but yet do not scale to High Tiers: Vilgax, Diamondhead, Chromastone, etc.
      • Characters can only scale to High Tiers in any aspect as long as it doesn't contradict the plot, if it does they shouldn't. Example: Humungasour scaling to UA Aggregor should be considered inconsistent.
    • Average: Do not scale to anyone above and only scale to their own or other Average Tier characters direct feats. Example: Ben, Spidermonkey, Echo Echo, Ditto, etc.
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Sure.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Huh? Why? Especially as space time things are related to the true names shit too.

I genuinely don't know how you could do that while we have the God Code

What do you mean?

That should have always been like that.

They should have their own tier no matter what.

They're least considered the strongest of all, so sure.
But base Way Big, Eatle and Atomix should be there.

Anodite Gwen should not be on the same tier as Way Big.

Sure.
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Well yeah, i originally had the 5 divisions too but momentarily forgor how
 
Lort15 said:
Seems okay
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The only issue is we never see him directly put the headbands on the trio, the scene in the episode cuts from ben surrendering to vilgax to them in the headbands, but i dont think it's unreasonable to think he just placed it on them offscreen.
 
PokiestPoker said:
The only issue is we never see him directly put the headbands on the trio, the scene in the episode cuts from ben surrendering to them in the headbands, but i dont think it's unreasonable to think he just placed it on them offscreen
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give him ropes too. 👀
probably stole it from Reiner 😈
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PokiestPoker said:
The only issue is we never see him directly put the headbands on the trio, the scene in the episode cuts from ben surrendering to vilgax to them in the headbands, but i dont think it's unreasonable to think he just placed it on them offscreen.
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You don't need too, it is clearly Vilgax he was the one who captured them
 
PokiestPoker said:
Alright, do i need to make a CRT for this? This is the first time i've ever used the forums so idk how adding stuff works exactly.
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You would need at least two staffs agree with it
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Reiner04 said:
Entire Dagon Arc will be back to considered as inconsistent in terms of Powerscaling from combatt feats perspective (statement scaling will be applicable)
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The characters would still downscale since Way Big > Eatle and Ultimate Kevin has Way Big’s DNA, however:

Do you think Ultimate Humungousaur could still at least scale to Ascalon’s planetary feat? Ben not only sees Ascalon destroy the planet with his own eyes but also previously got destroyed by George when using base Humungousaur, yet still used Ultimate Humungousaur believing he’d be capable of fighting George. Ben also heard George threaten not to hold back once he learnt the stakes, so he’d be preparing for a proper fight. Even if George was more powerful than Ben thought, Ben wouldn’t use an alien unless he believed it was capable of fighting something like Ascalon.

Tbh I feel like if George was really so high above Ultimate Humungousaur he would’ve casually no-low diffed him the same way he did to the trio earlier, but meh
 
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