Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

[Lort15]

Bruh, don't do this

yeah this would cause a lot of disaster for tiers, ov has a lot of characters from classic also as well as UAF

 

[Lort15]

also something similiar to this was discussed long ago i guess, i don't exactly remember the crt but yeah

 

[GeneralSol16]

dawg at least wait for Hellformer's crt's end

Yes, I said I'm gonna wait.

yeah this would cause a lot of disaster for tiers, ov has a lot of characters from classic also as well as UAF

All of them had power-ups / growth in power.

Gwen and Kevin, for example, were expanding their abilities throughout the franchise (Everytime Gwen uses more magic, she gets stronger thanks to mastering his anodite power, meanwhile, Kevin improves his absorption, seem when he needed a lot of what he absorbs to just cover his body, while in OV, he just needs something pocket size and turns into the material as a whole)

 

[Lort15]

Yes, I said I'm gonna wait.

All of them had power-ups / growth in power.

Gwen and Kevin, for example, were expanding their abilities throughout the franchise (Everytime Gwen uses more magic, she gets stronger thanks to mastering his anodite power, meanwhile, Kevin improves his absorption, seem when he needed a lot of what he absorbs to just cover his body, while in OV, he just needs something pocket size and turns into the material as a whole)

Not exactly some of villains like Vulcanus hasn't showed about they got power up also OV Vilgax has lost his powers which taken from the heroes but he is still able to keep up with ov chars

 

[GeneralSol16]

Not exactly some of villains like Vulcanus hasn't showed about they got power up

Vulkanus got stomped by rupjes, a low tier even in classic.
Clearly that doesn't affect a thing.

also OV Vilgax has lost his powers which taken from the heroes but he is still able to keep up with ov chars

He got new ones, is not the same as OS or UAF.

 

[Lort15]

Vulkanus got stomped by rupjes, a low tier even in classic.
Clearly that doesn't affect a thing.

He fought with Gwen, Kevin and Ben in uaf as well as in OV too

He got new ones, is not the same as OS or UAF.

Yeah but much weaker than UAF's might be comparable to his OS form also He literally defeated XLR8 and took a lot of hits from molestuck in ov's last episode and Vilgax in that episode wasn't advenced like he is now (Vilgax was from the past) he was much weaker than his OS form

 

[GeneralSol16]

He fought with Gwen, Kevin and Ben in uaf as well as in OV too.

He only fought an early AF Ben, never in UA and got stomped by low tiers in OV.

Yeah but much weaker than UAF's might be comparable to his OS form

Source? We only know that he lost his AF powers, it was never said he's weaker.

He literally defeated XLR8 and took a lot of hits from molestuck in ov's last episode and Vilgax in that episode wasn't advenced like he is now (Vilgax was from the past) he was much weaker than his OS form

That's an inconsistency, it doesn't matter the angle of the argument.

 

[Lort15]

He only fought an early AF Ben, never in UA and got stomped by low tiers in OV.

He also fought with Ben in ov, i will send scans when ı'm avaliable on pc

Source? We only know that he lost his AF powers, it was never said he's weaker.

Why do you think OV form is better than UAF? He clearly has better feats in UAF like defating a lot of Ben's aliens meanwhile ov Vilgax was struggling with kickin hawk lol

That's an inconsistency, it doesn't matter the angle of the argument.

Not at all, you should prove it to be inconsistency the every feat like that then because there is a lot

 

[GeneralSol16]

Ben used Swampfire, is not like he is one of his top Tiers tbh.
And Ben one shot him.

He also fought with Ben in ov, i will send scans when ı'm avaliable on pc

Ben as Humungouaaur overpowered Fisttina and Vulkanus at the same, casually.

Why do you think OV form is better than UAF? He clearly has better feats in UAF like defating a lot of Ben's aliens meanwhile ov Vilgax was struggling with kickin hawk lol

Because surviving hits from OV aliens, who are stronger than UAF aliens, is a better feat.

Not at all, you should prove it to be inconsistency the every feat like that then because there is a lot

Just UAF Ben is 10x stronger than OS Ben, who is comparable to Cyborg Vilgax, who is way stronger than the Vilgax that Max fought (literally, Cyborg Vilgax tanked a blast powerful enough to kill him in his prevoous form).

So, clearly an Inconsistency

 

[Success0906]

Because surviving hits from OV aliens, who are stronger than UAF aliens, is a better feat.

And how are OV aliens stronger?

 

[Lort15]

I will reply when ı'm avaliable

 

[GeneralSol16]

And how are OV aliens stronger?

Like I said before:

• UAF and OS aliens are just the "avarage" version of the race, a regular 10 / 16 years old version.
• OV aliens are the apex of the race, the strongest they can be, the peak.

 

[Success0906]

Like I said before:

• UAF and OS aliens are just the "avarage" version of the race, a regular 10 / 16 years old version.
• OV aliens are the apex of the race, the strongest they can be, the peak.

And how will you prove this?

 

[GeneralSol16]

And how will you prove this?

Derrick J Wyatt states that under his perspective, The Omnitrix (from OV) turns Ben into the apex of the race, something like the superhero of each species. Which is supported by Matt Wayne's statement, since during Omniverse era, said that the aliens from the Omnitrix are the optimized version" of the race.

Throughout OV, Ben constantly gets the upper hand against the strongest specimens of each face, like against Looma, Attea, or Lord Transyl, all of them being the supreme of each face, but still inferior to Ben's aliens. Meanwhile, Ben got his butt kicked by practically any adult version of his aliens throughout OS and UAF, like against Kolar, an average Tetramand or Tetrax, an average Petrosapien, the only thing in common being just they bring older than Ben.

The Omnitrix turns Ben into the peak of each alien no matter his age or conditions, as seen when he got turned into a 11 years old, instead of his aliens getting younger too like before, they stayed exactly the same. Which shows how independent they are from Ben's age now.B

Ben's alien reached their full potential by the time of the new Omnitrix, as seen with Swampfire's new form, and we saw how an avarage version of a Methanosian would look like when not being a apex of the race.

 

[jgms2008]

Derrick J Wyatt states that under his perspective, The Omnitrix (from OV) turns Ben into the apex of the race, something like the superhero of each species. Which is supported by Matt Wayne's statement, since during Omniverse era, said that the aliens from the Omnitrix are the optimized version" of the race.

Throughout OV, Ben constantly gets the upper hand against the strongest specimens of each face, like against Looma, Attea, or Lord Transyl, all of them being the supreme of each face, but still inferior to Ben's aliens. Meanwhile, Ben got his butt kicked by practically any adult version of his aliens throughout OS and UAF, like against Kolar, an average Tetramand or Tetrax, an average Petrosapien, the only thing in common being just they bring older than Ben.

The Omnitrix turns Ben into the peak of each alien no matter his age or conditions, as seen when he got turned into a 11 years old, instead of his aliens getting younger too like before, they stayed exactly the same. Which shows how independent they are from Ben's age now.B

Ben's alien reached their full potential by the time of the new Omnitrix, as seen with Swampfire's new form, and we saw how an avarage version of a Methanosian would look like when not being a apex of the race.

to tell the truth no since all the Omnitrix transforms Ben into the pinnacle of the species a good example of this is in the classic Ben 10 where Ben unlocks the Cannonbolt The Big Tick if you look and it is said that The Big Tick destroyed the planet of the Arburian Pelarota which would not make sense because even if they were a peaceful race it is not possible that none of the millions of Arburian Pelarota could not defeat The Big Tick while Ben who just unlocked this alien was already able to defeat/destroy The Big Tick proving even more that in the other series the be also transforms into the pinnacle of the species in any Omnitrix

 

[jgms2008]

Derrick J Wyatt states that under his perspective, The Omnitrix (from OV) turns Ben into the apex of the race, something like the superhero of each species. Which is supported by Matt Wayne's statement, since during Omniverse era, said that the aliens from the Omnitrix are the optimized version" of the race.

Throughout OV, Ben constantly gets the upper hand against the strongest specimens of each face, like against Looma, Attea, or Lord Transyl, all of them being the supreme of each face, but still inferior to Ben's aliens. Meanwhile, Ben got his butt kicked by practically any adult version of his aliens throughout OS and UAF, like against Kolar, an average Tetramand or Tetrax, an average Petrosapien, the only thing in common being just they bring older than Ben.

The Omnitrix turns Ben into the peak of each alien no matter his age or conditions, as seen when he got turned into a 11 years old, instead of his aliens getting younger too like before, they stayed exactly the same. Which shows how independent they are from Ben's age now.B

Ben's alien reached their full potential by the time of the new Omnitrix, as seen with Swampfire's new form, and we saw how an avarage version of a Methanosian would look like when not being a apex of the race.

and also let's agree that other aliens/villains like Tetrax for example end up surpassing the Omnitrix aliens because Ben doesn't develop the knowledge he has with most of them and also because he only knows the basics of the alien like here he doesn't gain 100% of the knowledge of said alien

 

[GeneralSol16]

to tell the truth no since all the Omnitrix transforms Ben into the pinnacle of the species a good example of this is in the classic Ben 10 where Ben unlocks the Cannonbolt The Big Tick if you look and it is said that The Big Tick destroyed the planet of the Arburian Pelarota which would not make sense because even if they were a peaceful race it is not possible that none of the millions of Arburian Pelarota could not defeat The Big Tick while Ben who just unlocked this alien was already able to defeat/destroy The Big Tick proving even more that in the other series the be also transforms into the pinnacle of the species in any Omnitrix

Yeah, you're wrong.

It was confirmed during OS and UAF that Ben is just an average 10 / 16 years old or whatever your age is of the species

So, Ben was never the peak of the race during the first three series, but OV Ben is.

 

[Lort15]

Derrick J Wyatt states that under his perspective, The Omnitrix (from OV) turns Ben into the apex of the race, something like the superhero of each species. Which is supported by Matt Wayne's statement, since during Omniverse era, said that the aliens from the Omnitrix are the optimized version" of the race.

Throughout OV, Ben constantly gets the upper hand against the strongest specimens of each face, like against Looma, Attea, or Lord Transyl, all of them being the supreme of each face, but still inferior to Ben's aliens. Meanwhile, Ben got his butt kicked by practically any adult version of his aliens throughout OS and UAF, like against Kolar, an average Tetramand or Tetrax, an average Petrosapien, the only thing in common being just they bring older than Ben.

The Omnitrix turns Ben into the peak of each alien no matter his age or conditions, as seen when he got turned into a 11 years old, instead of his aliens getting younger too like before, they stayed exactly the same. Which shows how independent they are from Ben's age now.B

Ben's alien reached their full potential by the time of the new Omnitrix, as seen with Swampfire's new form, and we saw how an avarage version of a Methanosian would look like when not being a apex of the race.

This matt wayne statement was asked for Ultimatrix actually, the question is literally reffering to Forge of Creation, "Omnitrix always gives the adult form" he didn't specifically say for completed omnitrix this can be count for prototype too

 

[GeneralSol16]

This matt wayne statement was asked for Ultimatrix actually, the question is literally reffering to Forge of Creation, "Omnitrix always gives the adult form" he didn't specifically say for completed omnitrix this can be count for prototype too

No.

The question is about UA, sure, but he refers to the Omnitrix and the question is during OV, clearly he is referring to that.

Especially when we have a lot of examples of Prototype Omnitrix and Recalibrated just Turing Ben into average aliens of his age, and more support evidence of OVTrix doing the opposite.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

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I mean Tetrax no-diffed 10-year-old Diamondhead (with his profile acknowledging he's stronger), so what wouldn't that go against every Omnitrix alien being the peak of their species?

 

[GeneralSol16]

Tetrax Shard

The Omnitrix is not some toy for your amusement. It's the most powerful weapon in the galaxy, the key to an epic battle between good and evil.Tetrax to Ben Tetrax Shard was a Petrosapien mercenary, now changed into a remover of evil in the Milky Way. Tier: 5-A | 5-A Key: Original Series | Alien...

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I mean Tetrax no-diffed 10-year-old Diamondhead (with his profile acknowledging he's stronger), so what wouldn't that go against every Omnitrix alien being the peak of their species?

It would for every Omnitrix prior to OV, since that's the one that turns Ben into peak aliens.
Which is from where all the "Ben is always the best of his race" thing came from.

 

[Lort15]

No.

The question is about UA, sure, but he refers to the Omnitrix and the question is during OV, clearly he is referring to that.

Especially when we have a lot of examples of Prototype Omnitrix and Recalibrated just Turing Ben into average aliens of his age, and more support evidence of OVTrix doing the opposite.

I see the scenes makes sense but there is a lot of antifeats about that i can count, like 10 Years old Heatblast taking hit from NRG (not getting one shot), able to defeat Kevin and could break Gwen's shield, if we consired alien's years by human standarts we can count this as 18 at least and between 16-18 isn't a big age GAP antifeats must be because of this

 

[Lort15]

I would likely disagree with this via to antifeats

 

[Hellformer]

I straight up disagree with separating UAF and OV counterparts

 

[GeneralSol16]

I see the scenes makes sense but there is a lot of antifeats about that i can count, like 10 Years old Heatblast taking hit from NRG (not getting one shot), able to defeat Kevin and could break Gwen's shield, if we consired alien's years by human standarts we can count this as 18 at least and between 16-18 isn't a big age GAP antifeats must be because of this

That's just inconsistency, it doesn't matter if you count this or anything else, even by current standards Teen Ben is ten times stronger than Kid Ben.

 

[Lort15]

That's just inconsistency, it doesn't matter if you count this or anything else, even by current standards Teen Ben is ten times stronger than Kid Ben.

Man you can't say inconsistency to every scene like that until if there is a few but there is a lot

 

[GeneralSol16]

I straight up disagree with separating UAF and OV counterparts

Any actual argument for that? Because that doesn't count at all.

Man you can't say inconsistency to every scene like that until if there is a few but there is a lot

If you have a problem with that, then you have a problem with the entire verse.

Is clearly that is an inconsistency when repeatedly times they say Ben gets a lot stronger with age, his weaker aliens being on par with his current forms doesn't make sense

Actually, this problem was solved a long time ago here, so, you need better arguments.

 

[Hellformer]

Any actual argument for that? Because that doesn't count at all.

I asked you for your cord to discuss with me along with other supporters

 

[GeneralSol16]

I asked you for your cord to discuss with me along with other supporters

I'll be honest, don't know what cord is.

 

[Lort15]

I'll be honest, don't know what cord is.

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