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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

Ghengiroo115 said:
Guys, where does Taydenite scale in regards to Durability?
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Hardest metal in the Universe, so should be tougher than anything you know of?

Also sadgely, MFTL++++ calc rejected as expected, it's nigh-impossible for someone to react and move on that intant of time unless specified or emphasize like that.
 
But there's no way I'm losing 🗿

Gonna use thermal radiation speed that happens at the beginning of detonation of nuclear explosions which amounts to 35% of total nuclear energy and has nearly the speed of light.

Considering the distance as thickness of bomb = 3 cm | 0.03 meters

Time before explosion hits= 0.03/(3*10^8)

Fattrack distance away = 12 meters

Speed = 12/[0.03/(3*10^8)] = 120000000000 m/s

 
Reiner04 said:
Hardest metal in the Universe, so should be tougher than anything you know of?
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Gendolfgg1 said:
It seems to be stated that this is the most durable material in the universe.
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OK cool, depending on where this knowledge comes from would this include To’kustar armour? Or would we just upscale it from NRG’s armour thanks to Kevin’s feat or something? Or is there some other material I’m forgetting about?

This reason I ask is because the character OTTO once merged with five vehicles including a Taydenite car, and based on how each part of his body is portrayed as just as strong his Durability for his entire body should be comparable to Taydenite.

This potentially gives us an idea on how strong Upgrade can reach depending on how durable Taydenite is, as while merged with Kevin’s car he could fight on par with OTTO. This also gives us an idea on how strong Eatle is with smaller amounts of eating, as after eating a bit of Kevin’s car he was able to push back OTTO with his blasts.
 
Reiner04 said:
Also sadgely, MFTL++++ calc rejected as expected, it's nigh-impossible for someone to react and move on that intant of time unless specified or emphasize like that.
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Reiner04 said:
But there's no way I'm losing 🗿

Gonna use thermal radiation speed that happens at the beginning of detonation of nuclear explosions which amounts to 35% of total nuclear energy and has nearly the speed of light.

Considering the distance as thickness of bomb = 3 cm | 0.03 meters

Time before explosion hits= 0.03/(3*10^8)

Fattrack distance away = 12 meters

Speed = 12/[0.03/(3*10^8)] = 120000000000 m/s

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Welp that’s unfortunate, 400 times the speed of light is still good though so if that’s accepted then that’s two feats in favour of MFTL.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
OK cool, depending on where this knowledge comes from would this include To’kustar armour? Or would we just upscale it from NRG’s armour thanks to Kevin’s feat or something? Or is there some other material I’m forgetting about?

This reason I ask is because the character OTTO once merged with five vehicles including a Taydenite car, and based on how each part of his body is portrayed as just as strong his Durability for his entire body should be comparable to Taydenite.

This potentially gives us an idea on how strong Upgrade can reach depending on how durable Taydenite is, as while merged with Kevin’s car he could fight on par with OTTO. This also gives us an idea on how strong Eatle is with smaller amounts of eating, as after eating a bit of Kevin’s car he was able to push back OTTO with his blasts.
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Should be noted that Rook said Ben should avoid hitting the cars to avoid damaging them since they're worth so much money.
 
Reiner04 said:
Should scales above Tokustar armour since it's visibly a metal.
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I was thinking so but wasn’t completely sure. Where do the “hardest substance” statements come from though? If it comes from some rando then I’m not sure if we can include To’kustar armour in that list, but if it comes from someone actually knowledgeable then yeah we can.
 
BlastX said:
Should be noted that Rook said Ben should avoid hitting the cars to avoid damaging them since they're worth so much money.
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True but based on how OTTO is portrayed each part of him should be just as strong and durable, meaning the Proto-TRUK part of him should be just as durable as the Taydenite part of him.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
I was thinking so but wasn’t completely sure. Where do the “hardest substance” statements come from though? If it comes from some rando then I’m not sure if we can include To’kustar armour in that list, but if it comes from someone actually knowledgeable then yeah we can.
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I remember that Kevin definitely talked about it and it was said about it in the guide card for NRG
 
Reiner04 said:
Goodness, It'll be accepted, a cgm just told me to do minor correction of fixing speed of light. So finally a MFTL verse or not?
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Rn the verse is scaling off of two Relativistic feats, right? If so then I don’t see the issue with them being MFTL if they also have two feats. That’s also ignoring the MFTL+ arguments as well.

I think I’m still gonna gather a good pile of high level feats before I do something though, as I think keeping it all contained will be better considering the massive pile-up of CRTs the verse has recently gotten.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Rn the verse is scaling off of two Relativistic feats, right? If so then I don’t see the issue with them being MFTL if they also have two feats. That’s also ignoring the MFTL+ arguments as well.

I think I’m still gonna gather a good pile of high level feats before I do something though, as I think keeping it all contained will be better for the massive pile-up of CRTs the verse has recently gotten.
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I think feedback as well have travel speed feat of MFTL because of Tachyon canon. That must should add too.
 
Although, I'd say ugarik's concern was fine. Like I myself was in doze because correct Calc (previous one) was like Fastrack reacting to smth within 10^-19 seconds 🫀👁
 
Reiner04 said:
It uses radiation to alter DNA as far as I can see, Kevin mentioned tachyon canon leaving radiation in debris in Ultimate aggregor episode.
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Wouldn’t that just be the speed of light? Still a potential good feat for Feedback since iirc he did that whole cross-arm motion right before it hit him in the final battle, but I don’t see how it’s MFTL. Maybe I’m stupid, idk.
 
Reiner04 said:
turns out to be more useful than XLR8
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Reiner04 said:
Uh.. maybe coz was treated as outlier?
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I’m moreso confused on why it wasn’t treated as an outlier for Way Big too. If he’s as fast as everyone else and he does something MFTL, then either everyone should scale to it or it should’ve been considered an outlier. I’m just wondering where the idea that Way Big could blitz the main cast came from.
 
Reiner04 said:
Technically Aggregor flight speed should scale to his combats speed as was shown during Forge of creation and all, so have no idea why they have been scaling so low.. I mean there are anti feats but not more than there are feats.
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Wait what happens in the Forge of Creation? I know about the moment in Deep but what happens in the Forge?
 
If I take into account Ben 10 uaf and AF then yeah, Characters has less anti feat than DB

funnily, reading old thread, some arguments were like: XLR8 is not rounding earth like 7 times per sec or that bros got hit by lasers.. like if getting hit by fictional lasers are outlier than tons of fiction gonna get d/w. Not to mention fictions lasers can travel less and more speed than sol
 
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