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Bayonetta upgrade I guess.
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Damn, link isn't working.
Here's working one:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/d/p/4400000000000012649
Here's working one:https://vsbattles.fandom.com/d/p/4400000000000012649
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@WeeklyBattles actually has better, more concrete plans eventually.
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I don't want the person to feel like their CRT is being ignored so I'll give my take on their CRT:
4-C: I disagree for a couple of reasons.
1) There is nothing that indicates Bayonetta was the power source of the device. The purple energy can simply be the activation color for when the device is shifting from day to night, it could be the activation color that appears when an Umbra Witch uses the device, or it could simply be Bayonetta using magic to put in extra effort into turning the gears and cogs.
2) Antonio's description of the device may say it affects the movements of the moon and sun but he is minorly wrong as what happens in-game is that the Moon forms into existence in the sky after the device is done rotating while the Sun assumingly does the opposite, not change their orbital movement to get into their position, this cause into question what exactly the device does to affect the position of the sun and moon. Movement is out of the question as the game shows that isn't the case, could it be time manipulation? teleportation? or maybe even reality warping? It is unknown what exactly is happening and how exactly the device works so there is 0 reason to try to make a feat out of Bayonetta using it.
3-C: No. Watch Jubileus boss fight to see why this is all that is needed for this.
Low 2-C: No.
1) Scaling to Rodin: It doesn't say that Father Rodin was intended to be a boss for Bayonetta originally and the intended cut stuff not in the final product of the game is not scaling proof. Also, Kamiya's word of god is accepted unless it's in an official context such as guidebooks, official websites, novels, game video diaries or things like that.
2) Scaling to Aesir: Looking through one of the many past Bayonetta CRT's that touch this topic, you can see much better explanations that explain why I disagree with Bayonetta scaling to Aesir. Also, the Aesir who watch from the "viewpoint that surpassed space and time" is not the Aesir Bayonetta fought.
MHS+: Already accepted
Speed of Light:
1) Satellite: No. Just No.
2) Dodging Lightning by a hair's breadth: I agree if doing such a thing is the SoL, if not this should still be calc'd and would grant Bayonetta a better speed than just MHS+.
MFTL+ from scaling to Irenics: No, this has been discussed and disregarded in past CRTs.
Inconclusion, I disagree with everything but I think Bayonetta's Hair's breadth lightning dodge should be calc'd if it has not already.
4-C: I disagree for a couple of reasons.
1) There is nothing that indicates Bayonetta was the power source of the device. The purple energy can simply be the activation color for when the device is shifting from day to night, it could be the activation color that appears when an Umbra Witch uses the device, or it could simply be Bayonetta using magic to put in extra effort into turning the gears and cogs.
2) Antonio's description of the device may say it affects the movements of the moon and sun but he is minorly wrong as what happens in-game is that the Moon forms into existence in the sky after the device is done rotating while the Sun assumingly does the opposite, not change their orbital movement to get into their position, this cause into question what exactly the device does to affect the position of the sun and moon. Movement is out of the question as the game shows that isn't the case, could it be time manipulation? teleportation? or maybe even reality warping? It is unknown what exactly is happening and how exactly the device works so there is 0 reason to try to make a feat out of Bayonetta using it.
3-C: No. Watch Jubileus boss fight to see why this is all that is needed for this.
Low 2-C: No.
1) Scaling to Rodin: It doesn't say that Father Rodin was intended to be a boss for Bayonetta originally and the intended cut stuff not in the final product of the game is not scaling proof. Also, Kamiya's word of god is accepted unless it's in an official context such as guidebooks, official websites, novels, game video diaries or things like that.
2) Scaling to Aesir: Looking through one of the many past Bayonetta CRT's that touch this topic, you can see much better explanations that explain why I disagree with Bayonetta scaling to Aesir. Also, the Aesir who watch from the "viewpoint that surpassed space and time" is not the Aesir Bayonetta fought.
MHS+: Already accepted
Speed of Light:
1) Satellite: No. Just No.
2) Dodging Lightning by a hair's breadth: I agree if doing such a thing is the SoL, if not this should still be calc'd and would grant Bayonetta a better speed than just MHS+.
MFTL+ from scaling to Irenics: No, this has been discussed and disregarded in past CRTs.
Inconclusion, I disagree with everything but I think Bayonetta's Hair's breadth lightning dodge should be calc'd if it has not already.
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Sigh, why do people always make bayonetta threads when im working on them. It really erodes the credibility of future arguments...
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4-C stuff is a no, it is more than likely just time manipulation applied to the outside world, though that would definitely be a range upgrade for her AoE with Witch Time
Antonio's Guidebook has actually been discussed before and decided to be a mostly unreliable source as it comes from a human with no knowledge of how Witches and Sages work creating theories based on incomplete or inaccurate mythos
While they are visually similar to galaxies, nothing really implies they are actual galaxies so unfortunately we cant use them for scale, plus if they wer real galaxies of that size thy wouldnt yield 3-C results
I actually agree with the Rodin and Aesir stuff but im not going to get into it right now
Theyre already MHS+ but it should be calced but there are Sub-Rel+ and MFTL+ feats base bayo scales to that are waiting to be applied (I agree with her scaling to Irenic)
Antonio's Guidebook has actually been discussed before and decided to be a mostly unreliable source as it comes from a human with no knowledge of how Witches and Sages work creating theories based on incomplete or inaccurate mythos
While they are visually similar to galaxies, nothing really implies they are actual galaxies so unfortunately we cant use them for scale, plus if they wer real galaxies of that size thy wouldnt yield 3-C results
I actually agree with the Rodin and Aesir stuff but im not going to get into it right now
Theyre already MHS+ but it should be calced but there are Sub-Rel+ and MFTL+ feats base bayo scales to that are waiting to be applied (I agree with her scaling to Irenic)
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Tbf, this CRT was made a while back and on the side of vsbattle wiki that only 2 people use. And the OP of this thread seems new to Bayonetta discussions so they were probably unaware of your CRT plans.
If Bayonnetta's hair's breadth feat would be Relativistic (+?) if it were to be taken literally.
May I see the discussion thread that concluded Antonio's Guidebook to be mostly unreliable? In the case of the Heavenly Manipulators, he isn't really incorrect or wrong enough to be considered mostly unreliable.
If Bayonnetta's hair's breadth feat would be Relativistic (+?) if it were to be taken literally.
May I see the discussion thread that concluded Antonio's Guidebook to be mostly unreliable? In the case of the Heavenly Manipulators, he isn't really incorrect or wrong enough to be considered mostly unreliable.
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The Rel feat was bayonetta catching the sattelite being pulled out of orbit, ill try to find the calc
If it wasnt deleted sure but basically it was dcided to be mostly unreliable seeing as he described stuff like Witch Time as speed amplification rather than actual time manip
If it wasnt deleted sure but basically it was dcided to be mostly unreliable seeing as he described stuff like Witch Time as speed amplification rather than actual time manip
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Well, Weekly, you can’t really blame them. It’s been about two years and the franchise only spans 2 games which are 8-15 hours, and in-game lore.
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@WeeklyBattles well, I just remembered about a work which was done. So I thought it must take at least an attention. Didn't knew you're already working with it.
So, good luck with work, I would like to see it.
So, good luck with work, I would like to see it.
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Yep, I can see why we migrated to a new forum instead of using discussions. absolute eye sore to look at.
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