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Known martial artists with experience in magic. Who wins?
Round 1: Regular Terumi
Round 2: Dark Susano'o
Both rounds speed equalized.
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Bayonetta (6-B) vs Yuki Terumi (6-B)
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Known martial artists with experience in magic. Who wins?
Round 1: Regular Terumi
Round 2: Dark Susano'o
Both rounds speed equalized.
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I would say Bayonetta but i have no idea how Terumi's Soul Manipulation works and i dont know if Bayo could resist it...
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Due to being in possession of an Azure Grimoire, Terumi's blows can directly attack the soul.
There's also Ouroboros that can directly attack one's mind and psyche but that's more Mind Manipulation then Soul Manipulation/Damage.
There's also Ouroboros that can directly attack one's mind and psyche but that's more Mind Manipulation then Soul Manipulation/Damage.
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Hmm ok, she should be able to resist that, but probably not the mind manipulation. But Bayo should be able to win this, she leads with Witch Time and then takes Yuki down with Bazillions/Shuraba or summon Madama Butterfly to end him.
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I think Round 1 goes to Bayo. While Terumi can do some stuff and she has to be wary of Ouroboros, Bayo does have Witch Time which can slow him down enough to end him with the summons.
Round 2 though, i'm leaning towards Terumi. Dark Susano'o slashes you completely of your time in one hit and ignores durability and i think is immune to time shenanigans so Witch Time might not have an effect on him.
Round 2 though, i'm leaning towards Terumi. Dark Susano'o slashes you completely of your time in one hit and ignores durability and i think is immune to time shenanigans so Witch Time might not have an effect on him.
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He can? Might want to add that to his profile then because thats not on there at the moment...Zeldasmash said:
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Terumi with the Dark Susano'o is basically Hakumen. The Susano'o Unit can slash time without causing a paradox. Terumi was the original owner of the Susano'o Unit to the point where he can access it's power without needing the unit.
As for the whole killing in one hit, we've only seen it during Terumi's Astral where one slash from the Dark Susano'o completely obliterated the opponent.
As for the whole killing in one hit, we've only seen it during Terumi's Astral where one slash from the Dark Susano'o completely obliterated the opponent.
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Ok, well neither Hakumen or Dark Susano'o have time manipulation resistance listed on their profiles so if thats something they do possess then it should probably be added. If they don't have it though Bayo would likely win round 2 as well.
Yeah, that just sounds like a regular attack that's extremely powerful instead of a one hit kill.
Yeah, that just sounds like a regular attack that's extremely powerful instead of a one hit kill.
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Bump.
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Well, Hakumen now has Nigh-Immunity to Time Manipulation on his abilities. It's "Nigh" Immunity so it does affect him to an extent, but he does have resistance too it. I imagine the Dark Susano'o has this ability too (especially with what the new design of the Dark Susano'o in Central Fiction).
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Not questioning it but to what extent has he resisted it?
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Hakumen or Terumi?
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Hakumen
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I think it comes from the Susano'o Unit. The unit houses the owner's soul, not body. As to what extent, i actually don't know except that Hakumen is immune to the effects of Phenomena Intervention as is Terumi even without the Susano'o Unit, but i don't know if that counts as time manipulation.
However Hakumen and Terumi have both been in the Boundary which is where multiple timelines intersect and they both survived.
However Hakumen and Terumi have both been in the Boundary which is where multiple timelines intersect and they both survived.
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Wait, is the flow of time non-existant in his dimension? Or is it just altered?
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Sure, lemme see it
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And He can just be in this dimension? Or can he access it whenever? Sorry for so many questions i'm not super familiar with BB...
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he can only survive in that dimension due to his susanoo unit. Without it, his soul would be destroyed.WeeklyBattles said:
He can't even move in that dimension. All that he can do is float.
well, the boundary can be accessed through "portals", or gates, like the cauldrons. but hakumen can't open them.
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Ok, one last question, was he able to move around? In those scans it looks like he's just floating there. And did he escape?
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Kokonoe got him out. I think he can move around due to it basically being space, but i believe you will eventually deteriorate due to Azure.
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Oh ok, i was gonna say if Hakumen can move in a dimension without time that would be a basis for Infinite Speed.
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He can't? I honestly thought you could. My bad then.
Terumi also went through the same thing, only difference being Takamagahara got him out to help him destroy Amaterasu.
Terumi also went through the same thing, only difference being Takamagahara got him out to help him destroy Amaterasu.
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The Amaterasu Unit can only be seen by the Eye of the Azure in the Boundary, which in this case is Noel. I'm not sure if Noel can move around in there because as far as i know, she's never been in the Boundary (Nu was, but she was not synchronized with Noel at the time).
Anyway, we should bring this back on topic: The Dark Susano'o gives Terumi nigh-immunity to time shenanigans so Witch Time is rendered near useless.
Anyway, we should bring this back on topic: The Dark Susano'o gives Terumi nigh-immunity to time shenanigans so Witch Time is rendered near useless.
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Agreed, my bad i just didnt know their powers is all. Anyways, i dont think existing in a place without time is time manipulation resistance...my vote's still for BayonettaZeldasmash said:
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Round 1: I'll give it to Bayo, but i see it with difficulty. Bayo has to be really careful with Ouroboros as it will easily give Terumi the win if it hits her and every blow he makes with his powers/magic is a soul blow due to the Azure.
Round 2: Terumi. Bayo doesn't have much that the Dark Susano'o can't handle and a well placed hit from him can end Bayo due to soul hax and the Susano'o Unit's abilities/hax (i'm starting to think the Susano'o Unit should get it's own separate page).
Round 2: Terumi. Bayo doesn't have much that the Dark Susano'o can't handle and a well placed hit from him can end Bayo due to soul hax and the Susano'o Unit's abilities/hax (i'm starting to think the Susano'o Unit should get it's own separate page).
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Bayo has Soul and Molecular Hax and soul damage resistance...
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The Susano'o Unit is Nigh-Immune to Soul and Mind Hax. Terumi also has mind hax of his own with Mind Eater.
Is Molecular Hax Body Control? Sorry for asking it's just that I don't know much about that.
Is Molecular Hax Body Control? Sorry for asking it's just that I don't know much about that.
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Molecular hax ignores durability by attacks atoms.Zeldasmash said:
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No she literally has guns that disintegrate the target on a molecular level. That coupled with her stackable time slow (Witch Time) and her ability to become invisible and intangible, but still able to attack the physical world, by passing into Paradiso would make her pretty damn dangerous.Zeldasmash said:
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I'm not sure if Paradiso would do much due to the Susano'o Unit having the ability to slash through dimensions and Terumi can see through each dimension he slashes due to the unit's eyes though the invisibility could be a problem.
As for the Molecular hax.........yeah, you got me there. I would say Terumi would dodge them due to reactions but speed is equalized.
As for the Molecular hax.........yeah, you got me there. I would say Terumi would dodge them due to reactions but speed is equalized.
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With Dark Susano'o now being Tier 5, Round 2 is a stomp in Terumi's favor.
So right now we are left with Round 1 where i do think Bayonetta wins but with difficulty.
So right now we are left with Round 1 where i do think Bayonetta wins but with difficulty.
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Yeah 5-B vs 7-B...I mean...molecular and time hax...
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Terumi himself is still 6-B and Bayonetta with summons is 6-B. I think we can continue with Round 1.
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