Battle for the 9th strongest 9-B non smurf | Subaru Natsuki vs Jodie Holmes

[Franstel]

Arc 5-8 Subaru is used and Jodie is in her Post-CIA training key

Speed non equalized (Both are already Athletic Human with allies that are far higher)
SBA otherwise

AP and Durability: Subaru scale to 0.00336 Tons and Jodie to 1,55x10^7 Joules.
LS: Subaru is Athletic and Jodie Superhuman

Emilia's knight:
Former spy:
Incon:

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Subaru has way higher perception and reaction speed and beatrice is sub relativistic, add to this Subaru's rbd and this will always end up with him winning with either SI or Al Shamak

Subaru's LS will also get a big increase since he can chuck boulders with his whip at (likely) supersonic speeds

votign for him

 

[Franstel]

Subaru has way higher perception and reaction speed and beatrice is sub relativistic, add to this Subaru's rbd and this will always end up with him winning with either SI or Al Shamak

Subaru's LS will also get a big increase since he can chuck boulders with his whip at (likely) supersonic speeds

votign for him

Yes Subaru can blitz however killing Jodie would just make her jump to her third key, basically turning her into a second Aiden and they cannot interact with Aiden (combo incorpo+intangibility) plus Beatrice cannot see Aiden.
For the SI, Subaru would have to convince two people with different personalities (plus Jodie have trust issue in this key because she just got betrayed and Aiden is a little barbaric).
Meanwhile they can incap Subaru via possession or knock him out with pressure point, plus their divination would help them figure out the best way to deal with Subaru

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Yes Subaru can blitz however killing Jodie would just make her jump to her third key, basically turning her into a second Aiden and they cannot interact with Aiden (combo incorpo+intangibility) plus Beatrice cannot see Aiden.

ReZero characters have ESP and can sense a bunch of stuff like hostility, prescence, aura and mana so being invisible doesnt really hide them from anybody
and magic can interact with spirits who also have incorpo + intagibility combo, Al shamak is also BFR and not a killing magic

For the SI, Subaru would have to convince two people with different personalities (plus Jodie have trust issue in this key because she just got betrayed

Subaru has very easily convinced Beatrice who not only had deep scars from having her trust broken and being left behind for over 400 yrs but also was very adamant on holding on to the role given to her by Echidna, so much so that she would prefer dying over breaking her contract.

and Aiden is a little barbaric).

Most people Subaru SI's are hell bent on killing him (Rem, Meilli, etc.) so that isnt going to be hard either

Meanwhile they can incap Subaru via possession

wont work because spirits in ReZero can counter possesion as seen in season 1 with petelgeuse failing to possess Subaru after he gets a spirit (even if he does get Possessed though, any form of soul manipulation on Subaru will cause Satella to come out and rampage and there is no stopping her. However, she simply knocked Petelgeuse out of Subaru the last time he was possessed)

or knock him out with pressure point, plus their divination would help them figure out the best way to deal with Subaru

they dont have the speed to do that as once again, Subaru has sub rel perception and reaction speed so dodging is going to be a piece of cake for him

They did have to deal with Subaru's first assault in any scenario and i do not see them making it out most of the time

 

[Franstel]

ReZero characters have ESP and can sense a bunch of stuff like hostility, prescence, aura and mana so being invisible doesnt really hide them from anybody

I don't see it on Beatrice profile

and magic can interact with spirits who also have incorpo + intagibility combo,

Again I don't see NPI on either profile

Al shamak is also BFR and not a killing magic

Dimensional travel counter this

Subaru has very easily convinced Beatrice who not only had deep scars from having her trust broken and being left behind for over 400 yrs but also was very adamant on holding on to the role given to her by Echidna, so much so that she would prefer dying over breaking her contract.

It took multiple tries and they weren't in a fight.

Most people Subaru SI's are hell bent on killing him (Rem, Meilli, etc.) so that isnt going to be hard either

Yes but when I said that Aiden was barbaric, it would be more fiting to say he is almost a psycopath. He never have any trouble in killing even innocents. He goes for the kill even in friendly spar here and here. Locked bullies into a house before setting it on fire. Nearly killed a kid that was a bit too brutal with Jodie. Went out of control all of the sudden and bullied and tried to kill an innocent woman for seemingly no reason. Tried to kill his and Jodie's adoptive father after he abandoned them. He is also incredibly overprotective and possessive of Jodie, ruining all her date because quoting him "you don't need him you have me".

wont work because spirits in ReZero can counter possesion as seen in season 1 with petelgeuse failing to possess Subaru after he gets a spirit (even if he does get Possessed though, any form of soul manipulation on Subaru will cause Satella to come out and rampage and there is no stopping her. However, she simply knocked Petelgeuse out of Subaru the last time he was possessed)

Again not on the profile + they just have to kill/Incap Beatrice first, possession is also not soul manipulation, Aiden can let Subaru go at any time and it's not like he would have suffered from the possession.

they dont have the speed to do that as once again, Subaru has sub rel perception and reaction speed so dodging is going to be a piece of cake for him

They did have to deal with Subaru's first assault in any scenario and i do not see them making it out most of the time

Aiden have infinite endurance compared to Beatrice Low endurance, as soon as she is tired it's over for her. Plus, Aiden is far faster than Subaru (Supersonic vs Athletic Human) and he can't dodge something that don't travel so his reactions don't matters.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

I don't see it on Beatrice profile

• Enhanced Senses & Extrasensory Perception (Subaru has great intuition[2] which lets him know which door in the mansion is connected to Beatrice's Library. Having experienced death repeatedly since arriving in the Re:Zero world, Subaru has an acute nose for danger.[3] Is the only one who can detect the Unseen Hands, which are invisible,[4] and attack with no sound nor aura.[5] Subaru has refined senses[4] which allows him to sense when death's approach. Sensed Ram and Garfiel[6] fighting behind him, and can also sense malice[7])
  
  Subaru is the least skilled in the verse so anything he has automatically upscales everybody else including Beatrice who is herself an artificial spirit
• You also reminded me that Subaru actually has LAYERED invisibility sense

Again I don't see NPI on either profile

Beatrice can kill spirits with magic

Dimensional travel counter this

can they come back from a separate void dimension that has nothing inside of it?

It took multiple tries and they weren't in a fight.

Subaru has as many chances as he needs, and his SI has only gotten better with time. Current Subaru can rouse an entire island of gladiators and have them join his side in rioting against their own motherland

Yes but when I said that Aiden was barbaric, it would be more fiting to say he is almost a psycopath. He never have any trouble in killing even innocents. He goes for the kill even in friendly spar here and here. Locked bullies into a house before setting it on fire. Nearly killed a kid that was a bit too brutal with Jodie. Went out of control all of the sudden and bullied and tried to kill an innocent woman for seemingly no reason. Tried to kill his and Jodie's adoptive father after he abandoned them. He is also incredibly overprotective and possessive of Jodie, ruining all her date because quoting him "you don't need him you have me".

ngl this just seems like he is overprotective but Subaru should be able to SI him within a few deaths

Again not on the profile

its on the spirit physiology page linked to Beatrice

+ they just have to kill/Incap Beatrice first,

and how will they do that before beatrice who is SUB-RELATIVISTIC and sees them as statues kills them with minya or any of her bajillion spells

possession is also not soul manipulation,

Do you not know what possession is? Either way Satella will either kick them out or go outside and destroy the world

Aiden can let Subaru go at any time and it's not like he would have suffered from the possession.

doenst really matter to Satella, and as long as Subaru is contracted to beatrice he will be immune to possesion

Aiden have infinite endurance compared to Beatrice Low endurance, as soon as she is tired it's over for her.

wont happen because of the million times speed gap

Plus, Aiden is far faster than Subaru (Supersonic vs Athletic Human) and he can't dodge something that don't travel so his reactions don't matters.

Subaru's perception speed is sub rel, and he has telepathy which gives him enough time to talk to Beatrice and decide on how they will end the both of them
Also if Subaru decides to use EMM or EMT then they just straight up become immune to everything Aiden has

 

[Fezzih_007]

Does Jonie know how to speak japanese? Because If they don't, Subaru Social Influence wincon is not that likely to work, because Subaru just knows how to speak japanese and and some english.

If It don't work, he probally be fine since he is a little faster.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

Does Jonie know how to speak japanese? Because If they don't, Subaru Social Influence wincon is not that likely to work, because Subaru just knows how to speak japanese and and some english.

i genuinely do not think the wiki is setup in a way so that language becomes a barrier or limitation for SI otherwise it would be a specific rule

If It don't work, he probally be fine since he is a little faster.

"a little" is the most downplayish thing you have said all day

 

[Fezzih_007]

i genuinely do not think the wiki is setup in a way so that language becomes a barrier or limitation for SI otherwise it would be a specific rule

Well, is not said anywhere that the fighters know each other languange in SBA or in any rules, and It don't nescessary need to be a specific rule since is kinda obvious that the "Guy who only knows how to speak in Árabe, would't be able to talk with the German person".

If like, they gain a auto-translation or knowlegement of the opponent languange It would be said in SBA atleast.

"a little" is the most downplayish thing you have said all day

Damn, I can't even be sarcastic anymore

Ok

If It don't work, he probally be fine since he speedblitz hard, is gonna be like comparing jet to snail, Subaru have a speed advantage só big my dude, he don't even need anything else

 

[Franstel]

• Enhanced Senses & Extrasensory Perception (Subaru has great intuition[2] which lets him know which door in the mansion is connected to Beatrice's Library. Having experienced death repeatedly since arriving in the Re:Zero world, Subaru has an acute nose for danger.[3] Is the only one who can detect the Unseen Hands, which are invisible,[4] and attack with no sound nor aura.[5] Subaru has refined senses[4] which allows him to sense when death's approach. Sensed Ram and Garfiel[6] fighting behind him, and can also sense malice[7])
  
  Subaru is the least skilled in the verse so anything he has automatically upscales everybody else including Beatrice who is herself an artificial spirit
• You also reminded me that Subaru actually has LAYERED invisibility sense

In the description you provided Subaru is explicitely the only one who can see it and at the end of season 1, Julius who is far more skilled than Subaru needed to borrow his eyes to win. With the skill, she may be able to sense him but not outright see him.
Subaru would see Aiden but it would confuse him more than anything since Aiden has the appearance of smoke. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:Aiden_experiment.webp

Beatrice can kill spirits with magic

Where was this accepted ? Also spirits seem to not be intangible at all time only when dematerialized, can she kill them in that state ? Because she need NPI to both INtangibility and INcorpo to deal with Aiden

can they come back from a separate void dimension that has nothing inside of it?

Don't know and maybe not, there's only two worlds in beyond two souls (the world of the living and the infraworld).

Subaru has as many chances as he needs, and his SI has only gotten better with time. Current Subaru can rouse an entire island of gladiators and have them join his side in rioting against their own motherland

Fair but it will a good amount of try since Jodie is a big pile of trauma.

ngl this just seems like he is overprotective but Subaru should be able to SI him within a few deaths

He definitely is overprotective but not only, he litteraly had no reason to torment Kathleen, and the reason Jodie's parent abandonned her is because they feared her because of all the trouble he brought them.

its on the spirit physiology page linked to Beatrice

Beatrice explicitely has a very limited form of it.

and how will they do that before beatrice who is SUB-RELATIVISTIC and sees them as statues kills them with minya or any of her bajillion spells

Killing Jodie would be one of the worst thing they could do, not only would that close any attemp at SI but the entities have Low-Godly Regeneration so they can't really kill them.

Do you not know what possession is? Either way Satella will either kick them out or go outside and destroy the world

doenst really matter to Satella, and as long as Subaru is contracted to beatrice he will be immune to possesion

It's still not on his profile and wouldn't that count as outside help since she isn't an equipement.

wont happen because of the million times speed gap

Why would a speed gap prevent you from getting tired

Subaru's perception speed is sub rel, and he has telepathy which gives him enough time to talk to Beatrice and decide on how they will end the both of them
Also if Subaru decides to use EMM or EMT then they just straight up become immune to everything Aiden has

E.M.T is useless as magic don't exist in beyond two souls and they can't move in E.M.M.

Does Jonie know how to speak japanese?

No

 

[Fezzih_007]

No

So Subaru probally can't SI then... Or atleast gonna have a hard time doing It.

 

[Franstel]

So Subaru probally can't SI then... Or atleast gonna have a hard time doing It.

Can Subaru speak english ?

 

[Fezzih_007]

Can Subaru speak english ?

Yes, but I not sure If he is fluent on It. He could still SI then, but is gonna be more hard since is not his native languange.

 

[SatellaTheWoE]

In the description you provided Subaru is explicitely the only one who can see it and at the end of season 1, Julius who is far more skilled than Subaru needed to borrow his eyes to win. With the skill, she may be able to sense him but not outright see him.

sensing something is enough for people in rz to deal with it

Subaru would see Aiden but it would confuse him more than anything since Aiden has the appearance of smoke. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/File:Aiden_experiment.webp

I dont see why that would confuse Subaru? Spirits are way weirder

Where was this accepted ? Also spirits seem to not be intangible at all time only when dematerialized, can she kill them in that state ? Because she need NPI to both INtangibility and INcorpo to deal with Aiden

you can ONLY kill a spirit by destroying their od which is equivalent to the soul and mind

Don't know and maybe not, there's only two worlds in beyond two souls (the world of the living and the infraworld).

then the isolated void dimension probably works

Fair but it will a good amount of try since Jodie is a big pile of trauma.

literally every rz character has some form of trauma

He definitely is overprotective but not only, he litteraly had no reason to torment Kathleen, and the reason Jodie's parent abandonned her is because they feared her because of all the trouble he brought them.

yeah idk how effective SI would be on Aiden but if Jodie is Si'd i think aiden might stop from killing them at the very least

Beatrice explicitely has a very limited form of it.

the only limitation she has is her not being able to dematerialize

Killing Jodie would be one of the worst thing they could do, not only would that close any attemp at SI but the entities have Low-Godly Regeneration so they can't really kill them.

Actually all spirits have low godly as well and they can be killed so it wouldnt be that much of a challenge for beatrice

It's still not on his profile and wouldn't that count as outside help since she isn't an equipement.

not really since she exists inside of Subaru's soul

Why would a speed gap prevent you from getting tired

she doesnt get physically tired, she can only be exhausted by using magic

E.M.T is useless as magic don't exist in beyond two souls and they can't move in E.M.M.

if you have seen season 3, that is clearly smth Subaru has found a way to bypass (aka just start your movement with EMM)
He also has perfected its timing and rbd would just make it even easier for him

 

[Franstel]

sensing something is enough for people in rz to deal with it

I dont see why that would confuse Subaru? Spirits are way weirder

Yes but he might not identify it as an enemy at first since he does not look like one. How high in the skill chain does Beatrice sit ?

you can ONLY kill a spirit by destroying their od which is equivalent to the soul and mind

That's only for the incorporeality, what I was talking about was the intangibility.

Actually all spirits have low godly as well and they can be killed so it wouldnt be that much of a challenge for beatrice

Yes but as a said there's nothing that tell me that Beatrice can destroy spirits and it's not on the profile anyway.

then the isolated void dimension probably works

Yes that part may work.

literally every rz character has some form of trauma

Yes but in this key specifically she has been hunted down for two years by the government, constantly fleeing and fending off attacks. Barely getting any rest and harrassed by otherwordly entities when she was not fighting. Plus by SBA:
"Each character will view their opponents as enemies, who they have to assume wish to cause them severe harm such that losing could have any range of dire consequences."

So it would still be hell to pull off.

yeah idk how effective SI would be on Aiden but if Jodie is Si'd i think aiden might stop from killing them at the very least

From the profile: "Aiden has his own free will and doesn't necessarily have to do what Jodie tell him to do."
Plus he have been hostile to people like Ryan which Jodie fully trusted. He might have stopped had she begged him but not in a context where he is aware the other side is an enemy.

the only limitation she has is her not being able to dematerialize

That's not true, Beatrice have:

• Spirit Physiology (Limited to: Type 1 Inorganic Physiology; Immortality (Types 1, and 2); Telepathy; Self-Sustenance (Types 1, and 2); Absorption, Sleep Manipulation; & Resistance to Magic)

Which mean she lack:

• Incorporeality (A Spirit's true form is their Od- the core of their being, which is the owner's life energy and synonymous with the soul[2]- and their physical body is merely a manifestation created by the Spirit using Mana)
• Immortality (Type 3)
• Regeneration (Low-Godly; Injury does not exist for Spirits,[4] they will easily recover from any damage to their Mana-based manifested forms, and they can only receive real damage if[1] their Od- the core of their being, which is the owner's life energy and synonymous with the soul[2]- is targeted)
• Body Control (A Spirit's form is decided upon by themself, thus they can change their size[6] or even reconstruct their own body at will,[7] removing any previous effects, which can for example be used to instantly make themselves sober)
• Possession (By gaining permission from someone or by forming a contract with them, a Spirit can possess their body,[1] as long as the terms of the contract allow it)
• Intangibility and Invisibility (Spirits are able to dematerialize,[13] and while dematerialized, a Spirit is invisible[14])
• Spatial Manipulation (Spirits can manifest themselves anywhere as they traverse space[15] itself)
• Limited Fragrance Manipulation (Spirits don't have scents[16] like ordinary creatures, thus they can avoid being detected by the noses of Dragons)

she doesnt get physically tired, she can only be exhausted by using magic

Its stated she get tired faster with magic not that she can't get tired at all, as soon as she doesn't have the stamina to run anymore she get one shot.

if you have seen season 3, that is clearly smth Subaru has found a way to bypass (aka just start your movement with EMM)
He also has perfected its timing and rbd would just make it even easier for him

Then a CRT have to be made because it's never stated on the profile:

• E・M・M: An original "absolute defense magic" co-developed with Beatrice. Using Yin Magic, Beatrice interferes with the space-time around Subaru, side-stepping their plane of existence, and while they can't move during activation, they experiences no interference from outside the barrier. It is similar to Regulus' Authority of Greed but doesn't have the same risk, and can be used until mana runs out.

For a lot of these arguments, a CRT need to be made before they are valid.