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Battle for the 4# Stongest 9-B

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Both are 9-B (Void shiki key use)

Speed equal
SBA otherwise
 
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So, she needs to think to turn it on? What's her in-character move? Also, add tags please.
Yep because otherwise she will have destroy the World when she have appear the first time in her verse with the body of shiki

She don't have in character move since never have do a fight but since she don't really like to intervene in the reality she will surely just search the most quick way to kill/incap him, since she omniscient she will not have problem to see if killing him would lead to problem or what the best way to defeat him and will know his capacity.
 
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Anyone know how function the capacity of Taylor, if this passive or active and what he do in character move and if he can affect NEP2
 

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Actually, I'm not even sure if he can affect NEP2, you should probably contact Mrkingofnegativity.
 
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I'm watching this
 
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Well until I see some more argument's I'll vote for Shiki

since it doesn't seem like John can affect Nonexistent (Type 2)
 
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I'd provide an argument for John, but I'm still in the earlier chapters. I'll just wait for King or Schnee to provide their arguments.
 
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Actually, can't John just BFR her?
The bfr from material plane? This would do nothing to her she will just recome, and she likely resist it with her transduality. + If it's more than though based he will be incaped before
 
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The bfr from material plane? This would do nothing to her she will just recome, and she likely resist it with her transduality. + If it's more than though based he will be incaped before

John can BFR his opponents to higher-dimensional places, and all of his abilities are thought-based as well. And we also can't forget that he has some busted power null as well.
 
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John can BFR his opponents to higher-dimensional places, and all of his abilities are thought-based as well. And we also can't forget that he has some busted power null as well.
The bfr of higher dimmension seem to be with the coin so well not really thought based

The power null is based of nulling the source but void is the source and don't know the potency of the thing
 
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How strong is the powernull?

Somewhere from hyperversal to borderline outerversal smurf hax. It's mentioned on his profile as well.

Range: At least Hyperversal with his powers. Potentially even higher. (His third eye can scan all of space-time, as well as directly affect alternate timelines and higher dimensions. The personification of John's gift has stated that the eye at its full potential is capable of directly tapping into reality, as well as seeing everything that exists in reality-- which is confirmed to have several higher dimensions-- at once. Used his powers to see and reach into the afterlife, which is confirmed to exist beyond all dimensions in the setting.)
 
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if your power null is higher-dimensional but you don't have feats of affecting a nonexistent type 2 being, Can you power null that being?
 
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I believe Elizhaa made an argument about Higher Dimensional Abilities affecting lower-dimensional characters even if that character is a Nonexistent Type 2 being
It was made in pause till the thread about ir it's made by staff

But well even without that it's not really in character for john to do that instantly
 

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And literally everyone disagreed. HD has absolutely nothing to do with NEP. That's like saying a character with 4D soul manip can affect a soulless character.
 
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And literally everyone disagreed. HD has absolutely nothing to do with NEP. That's like saying a character with 4D soul manip can affect a soulless character.
I only remember you, Rikimarox2 and Regidian disagreed with it. Everyone else either didn't see it or ignored it. I know most people have problems with the wording of the Nonexistent Physiology page and Nonexistent Type 2 making you immune to everything including higher-dimensional hax because your concept is nonexistent

and besides, I still wanna hear Elizhaa's arguments I don't think she got to say everything she wanted.

I'll ask her to comment here
 
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I only remember you, Rikimarox2 and Regidian disagreed with it. Everyone else either didn't see it or ignored it. I know most people have problems with the wording of the Nonexistent Physiology page and Nonexistent Type 2 making you immune to everything including higher-dimensional hax because your concept is nonexistent

and besides, I still wanna hear Elizhaa's arguments I don't think she got to say everything she wanted.

I'll ask her to comment hear
Many other people have disagree like Ion, yuriakuto and other even in the strongest thread and i the thread i make it's mostly need to wait until they do the NEP2 rework that DT have tell that he will do it


And we already know how she see thing + the fact that he don't even have some conceptual manipulation or anything that would let him possibly do that
 
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Many other people have disagree like Ion, yuriakuto and other even in the strongest thread and i the thread i make it's mostly need to wait until they do the NEP2 rework that DT have tell that he will do it
Well I asked Elizhaa to comment here so while we wait

I'll just assume that higher dimensional abilities cant affect nonexistent type 2 for now.

so anyways if none of John's higher-dimensional powers can affect nonexistent physiology type 2 then my vote goes to Shiki
the only thing i think that can affect her is BFR since its simply transporting you somewhere else unless NEP type 2 also negates BFR
 
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It says John can effect abstracts on his profile:
Non-Physical Interaction (Possesses a third eye which allows him to "find anything, or anyone", including invisible beings, Non-Corporeal spirits, abstract embodiments, magical defenses, enchantments and curses, beings hidden by illusions and "camouflage magics", probabilities, weaknesses, timelines, Words of Power connected to spells, and other things otherwise hidden from normal view, gaining information from whatever he sees. The abstract personification of this gift stated that the eye can see all of reality, and everything contained within it, at once.),
I'm not sure if this would help much though
 

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Not sure how that would help honestly. He needs feats of affecting something that doesn't have a concept. Not to mention, Shiki has NEP2 that is higher than baseline.
 
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Should we wait for Schnee to get here or give the spot to Shiki and then if John has any arguments about beating Shiki we remake the match
Even if he was able to affect her, she still have all of her passive that can maybie be used (depend on if willing to kill sba allow her to do) +thought based hax and the fact that in character john don't use power null thing intantly
 
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Even if he was able to affect her, she still have all of her passive that can maybie be used (depend on if willing to kill sba allow her to do) +thought based hax and the fact that in character john don't use power null thing intantly
are her passives turned on before the match or after the match if its after then she needs to think to activate it and while she's doing that if john can affect her he either thought based power nulls or bfr's
 
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Do we even know what he uses in character? Also, I don't think that's how SBA works.
In a previous match someone knowledge tell that he do his teleportation/space manip in first habitualy since most if his vs or the hax is used is that,

When she use shiki ryougi their are not turned on since otherwise she will just have destroy her verse passively when appearing. But since one people have tell me that since sba mean shz willing to kill she don't have reason to let them off so don't know
 

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Not sure what you honestly mean by teleport part, but we should wait for knowledgeable members.

Also, if she doesn't use her passives in character, I highly doubt the SBA will change that regardless.
 
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In a previous match someone knowledge tell that he do his teleportation/space manip in first habitualy since most if his vs or the hax is used is that,

When she use shiki ryougi their are not turned on since otherwise she will just have destroy her verse passively when appearing. But since one people have tell me that since sba mean shz willing to kill she don't have reason to let them off so don't know
so her passives arent turned on when the match starts, if that's the case then her passives arent faster than john's thought based abilities and can she choose to turn her passive all at once or does she have to pick out of all the abilities in the nasuverse which to use because that will take more time than John's thought based abilities
 
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Not sure what you honestly mean by teleport part, but we should wait for knowledgeable members.

Also, if she doesn't use her passives in character, I highly doubt the SBA will change that regardless.
It's not really in character but most if she was doing it she will just have erased her verse.
 
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so her passives arent turned on when the match starts, if that's the case then her passives arent faster than john's thought based abilities and can she choose to turn her passive all at once or does she have to pick out of all the abilities in the nasuverse which to use because that will take more time than John's thought based abilities
She can turn all of then on when she want + she is Omnisciente so she alredy know what power use for john
 
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She can turn all of then on when she want + she is Omnisciente so she alredy know what power use for john
alright but that would make her equal to or slower than John since she needs to think to turn them all on at once then they passively attack so she doesn't have to choose for it to attack while john only needs to think to BFR/Power Null

either way, Shiki isn't moving faster than john so the passive's are a non-factor.
 
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alright but that would make her equal to or slower than John since she needs to think to turn them all at once then they passively attack so she doesn't have to choose for it to attack while john only needs to think and BFR/Power Null

either way, Shiki isn't moving faster than john so the passive's are a non-factor.
Why it would make her slower? She don't think it more their like alredy all her she just release them and like i alredy tell it's not in john character to use that immediately + how he will even know that he need that for her?


Speed are equal and passive have nothing to do with speed
 
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Why it would make her slower? She don't think it more their like alredy all her she just release them and like i alredy tell it's not in john character to use that immediately + how he will even know that he need that for her?


Speed are equal and passive have nothing to do with speed
it might be slower or equal to john also she's omniscient in her own verse John doesn't exist in the nasuverse she doesn't know anything about him or his abilities so she doesn't know what ability to use on him she doesn't even fight in the nasuverse so we don't know what Shiki's in character move is so it's a guessing game on whether she will activate all her powers at once just because she can also neither of us are knowledgeable on what John uses first in character I've heard he uses power null, I've heard he uses BFR and now your telling me he doesn't use those. I don't know what to believe

But my vote is still for shiki since I am still under the assumption that John cant affect her with his abilities
 
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it might be slower or equal to john also she's omniscient in her own verse John doesn't exist in the nasuverse she doesn't know anything about him or his abilities so she doesn't know what ability to use on him she doesn't even fight in the nasuverse so we don't know what Shiki's in character move is so it's a guessing game on whether she will activate all her powers at once just because she can also neither of us is knowledgeable on what John uses first in character I've heard he uses power null, I've hear he uses BFR and now your telling me he doesn't use those. I don't know what to believe

But my vote is still for shiki since I assume John cant affect her with his abilities
Omniscience not work like that in battle you know?

Void shiki in character is an entity that just sleep because she find everything annoying, SBA mean willing to kill she just will kill him in the fatest way possible to re go sleep.

I don't tell in not use them but it's not in character to use them in first when he always have mostly use his teleportation/space manip in first, it's like his favorite thing lol
 

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SBA doesn't work like that iirc. She won't literally activate all of her abilities when its not in character for her.

Not to mention, does Omniscience grant knowledge of a character who has higher dimensional shit?
 
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SBA doesn't work like that iirc. She won't literally activate all of her abilities when its not in character for her.

Not to mention, does Omniscience grant knowledge of a character who has higher dimensional shit?
She don't have in character it's that hard to understand? The only thing we know of her about her personality is she find all of the thing annoying and that the destruction and the personality of shiki wanting to destroy everyone came from her, can show the passage if you want.

I don't know, but well it's more about his existence and weaknesses and how incap him in the most quickest way
 
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Omniscience not work like that in battle you know?

Void shiki in character is an entity that just sleep because she find everything annoying, SBA mean willing to kill she just will kill him in the fatest way possible to re go sleep.

I don't tell in not use them but it's not in character to use them in first when he always have mostly use his teleportation/space manip in first, it's like his favorite thing lol
Omniscience dosent grant you knowledge on all verses and all charecters in fiction. Shiki is omniscient because she is the root of all things in the nasuverse John doesn't exist in the nasueverse, she isn't the root of john's verse. Just because a character knows everything about their own vers doesn't mean they know everything about a character outside of their verse shiki doesn't even know that john exit or knows there's a character that can fight her since she's the strongest character in the nasuverse she might be bewildered that a character as powerful as john exists.
 

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I don't know anything about the verse, so Just a question, do we even know anything about Shiki aside from her personality? If we don't even know what she uses in character, why are we using her in vs battle? Why do we, by default, assume she will activate all of her passives against a single person?
 
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SBA doesn't work like that iirc. She won't literally activate all of her abilities when its not in character for her.

Not to mention, does Omniscience grant knowledge of a character who has higher dimensional shit?
it doesn't matter whether you higher dimensional or not shiki only knows about charecter's in her own verse just because she's omniscient doesn't mean she will know who spongebob is for example because he doesn't exist in her verse.
 
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I don't know anything about the verse, so Just a question, do we even know anything about Shiki aside from her personality? If we don't even know what she uses in character, why are we using her in vs battle? Why do we, by default, assume she will activate all of her passives against a single person?and unlil

and unlike most omniscient beings she has a personality she gets annoyed with people instead of staying neutral or being emotionless what if when she sees john she gets scared and does something different then turning on her powers, we don't know because she never fights.

there is not enough information on her character we don't even know what her tier is, She's unknown she probably shouldn't be allowed in fights if characters like Ajimu Nijima aren't allowed to fight
 
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Shiki misunderstands herself. She has never truly loved murder. Her
impulse stems from me, her origin. So fear her not, Kokutō. She is no mur-
derous monster. Only me. Always me.”

I don't know anything about the verse, so Just a question, do we even know anything about Shiki aside from her personality? If we don't even know what she uses in character, why are we using her in vs battle? Why do we, by default, assume she will activate all of her passives against a single person?
All of the murderous intention of shiki come from her, and she alredy tell she is the thing that can lead to the entroty of everything and if we use a little of saber shiki one if her illusion, even tho saber shiki is limited she don't have any problems to kill instantly someone.
 
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it doesn't matter whether you higher dimensional or not shiki only knows about charecter's in her own verse just because she's omniscient doesn't mean she will know who spongebob is for example because he doesn't exist in her verse.
Alredy tell it doesn't function like that in a battle for how much i remember, an Omniscient character will litteraly know all the thing the moment their will be face
 
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Shiki misunderstands herself. She has never truly loved murder. Her
impulse stems from me, her origin. So fear her not, Kokutō. She is no mur-
derous monster. Only me. Always me.”


All of the murderous intention of shiki come from her, and she alredy tell she is the thing that can lead to the entroty of everything and if we use a little of saber shiki one if her illusion, even tho saber shiki is limited she don't have any problems to kill instantly someone.
Alright so we know she wants to kill people, so what
 
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Alredy tell it doesn't function like that in a battle for how much i remember, an Omniscient character will litteraly know all the thing the moment their will be face
From what I remeber no one agrees with that it's always assumed that an omniscient character only knows about his or her own verse it would, NFL to say they know everything or even anything about other verses when there's is no proof of them having knowledge of those verses
 
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Alright so we know she wants to kill people, so what
Bruh that tell that she will not have problem with atk him like how he have ask, and you you really have come with a she could fear him? Seriouly bruh

and unlike most omniscient beings she has a personality she gets annoyed with people instead of staying neutral or being emotionless what if when she sees john she gets scared and does something different then turning on her powers, we don't know because she never fights.

there is not enough information on her character we don't even know what her tier is, She's unknown she probably shouldn't be allowed in fights if characters like Ajimu Nijima aren't allowed to fight
She is 9-B with shiki ryougi body
 
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From what I remeber no one agrees with that it's always assumed that an omniscient character only knows about his or her own verse it would, NFL to say they know everything or even anything about other verses when there's is no proof of them having knowledge of those verses
SBA is not in other verse, and welp it will be even more bad for john since it's tell he will not being able to see shiki with his third eyes
 
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she is willing to kill but everyone is willing to kill in a vs match so how does her wanting to kill John affect the match.
she is 9-B with Shiki's body however the thing that gives her all the power's in the nasuverse comes from the root which is unknown and she gets her omnisicnece from the root. Shiki ryougi is 9-B. Void Shiki is unknown.

i just realized your using void shiki she should compete for unknow not 9-B
 
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SBA is not in other verse, and welp it will be even more bad for john since it's tell he will not being able to see shiki with his third eyes
SBA is in a neutral verse or new york park that she doesn't know about and besides even if they were fighting in the nasueverse she still wouldn't know anything about John because he came from a different universe that she doesn't know anything about.
 
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I don't know anything about the verse, so Just a question, do we even know anything about Shiki aside from her personality? If we don't even know what she uses in character, why are we using her in vs battle? Why do we, by default, assume she will activate all of her passives against a single person?
I was litteraly into answer to that bruh

Void ryougi using shiki nody is 9-B physically having her unknow tier power just make her a smurf when using her power, it's like most of the smurf that have power that came from their true self or higher d being lol

I used void shiki in shiki ryougi body
 
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SBA is in a neutral verse or new york park that she doesn't know about and besides even if they were fighting in the nasueverse she still wouldn't know anything about John because he came from a different universe that she doesn't know anything about.
New york exist in nasuverse bruh what you even talk about?
 
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I was litteraly into answer to that bruh

Void ryougi using shiki nody is 9-B physically having her unknow tier power just make her a smurf when using her power, it's like most of the smurf that have power that came from their true self or higher d bein

I used void shiki in shiki ryougi body
I know she shouldnt be used we might know what Ryougi Shiki does but we know nothing about the root which is the reason she has those powers and is a smurf
 
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SBA is in a neutral verse or new york park that she doesn't know about and besides even if they were fighting in the nasueverse she still wouldn't know anything about John because he came from a different universe that she doesn't know anything about.
Doesn't change a thing alredy tell you it's not like how work Omniscient in vs, if your not okay just do a thread about it.
 
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New york exist in nasuverse bruh what you even talk about?
yeah new york city exist's but john doesn't exist in the real world new york city or neutral verse new york city when SBA says new york city there arent any real people their only new york city
 
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I know she shouldnt be used we might know what Ryougi Shiki does but we know nothing about the root which is the reason she has those powers and is a smurf
We know thing about the root, litteraly have her thread made not long time ago bruh what is the doesn't know anything about?
 
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yeah new york city exist's but john doesn't exist in the real world new york city or neutral verse new york city when SBA says new york city there arent any real people their only new york city
Dont' understand what you tell but if you have a problem with the omniscient thing just do a thread
 
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We know thing about the root, litteraly have her thread made not long time ago bruh what is the doesn't know anything about?
we know what abilities she has but we don't know the extent of her abilities and how potent those abilities are and we don't know what she does in character because void Shiki doesn't fight. Do you want me to ask the person that created her profile because she didn't have those abilities before
 
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we know what abilities she has but we don't know the extent of her abilities and how potent those abilities are and we don't know what she does in character because void Shiki doesn't fight. Do you want me to ask the person that created her profile because she didn't have those abilities before
The extend of her ability? Don't understand she is the source of all of these power their litteraly come from her so scale to her.

Doesn't fighting doesn't meaning we don't know her in character we litteraly have her personnality + the little thing we can use about saber shiki too

Like i tell she git her crt up accepted not long time ago and i was litteraly the one who make it lol
 
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The extend of her ability? Don't understand she is the source of all of these power their litteraly come from her so scale to her.

Doesn't fighting doesn't meaning we don't know her in character we litteraly have her personnality + the little thing we can use about saber shiki too

Like i tell she git her crt up accepted not long time ago and i was litteraly the one who make it lol
1. we dont know how powerful her abilities is because we cant scale her to anyone we know she's the strongest character in the nasuverse but just how much stronger and she doesn't fight anyone the rest of the profile for the nasuverse only go up to 2A so is she 2A or is she 6D (because fo avolon), she could be 8D because of the BB and the Moon Cell but guess what we don't know how strong she is that's why she's unknown

2. all i have heard about her personality is that she gets annoyed easily and she's willing to kill we don't know how she acts in a fight.
 
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1. we dont know how powerful her abilities is because we cant scale her to anyone we know she's the strongest character in the nasuverse but just how much stronger and she doesn't fight anyone the rest of the profile for the nasuverse only go up to 2A so is she 2A or is she 6D (because fo avolon), she could be 8D because of the BB and the Moon Cell but guess what we don't know how strong she is that's why she's unknown

2. all i have heard about her personality is that she gets annoyed easily and she's willing to kill we don't know how she acts in a fight.
The tier of her power are not necessarily here so don't know why you talk about them for now she just have 2-A/potentially 5D hax for being Transcendant over her multiverse that have 4D space and because transduality.

And no from saber shiki who is a illusion of her we know that she use just what necessary for do what she need to do, so if here she need to kill she just use what is necessary
 
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The tier of her power are not necessarily here so don't know why you talk about them for now she just have 2-A/potentially 5D hax for being Transcendant over her multiverse that have 4D space and because transduality.

And no from saber shiki who is a illusion of her we know that she use just what necessary for do what she need to do, so if here she need to kill she just use what is necessary
im just explaining that we dont know much about Void Shiki or her powers she is unknown so maybe we should ban her from fights.


also void shiki and saber shiki have different personalties even if both of them are the same character, saber Shiki is a servant that can be summoned for FGO while void shiki is the literal god of the nasuverse. I don't know much about the nasuverse so are they like parallel because Ryougi shiki isn't from Fate stay night she has her own series and her own motivations even if that series is connected to the nasuverse
 
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Unknowns don't get auto banned from fights.
I know im just saying that it seems we don't know much about void Shiki plus she's unknown so she probably should get banned because of the rules.

I don't want any character to get banned from fights but other characters have gotten banned because there isn't enough information about them and Shiki shouldn't be an exception it would be unfair, either characters get banned from fight's or no one gets banned
 
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Shiki seems to be unable to be affected.
Im waiting for Elizhaa to respond since she's the one that brought up the idea of Higher Dimensional Characters and Abilities affecting Lower Dimensional Nonexistent Physiology Type 2.

Were also waiting for supernatural supporters and Schnee to show up because none of us are very knowledgeable on John.

I promised Regidian that I'd wait for him to wake up before continuing this thread.

so for now this is undecided and we should move on to a different thread.
 
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Im waiting for Elizhaa to respond since she's the one that brought up the idea of Higher Dimensional Characters and Abilities affecting Lower Dimensional Nonexistent Physiology Type 2.

Were also waiting for supernatural supporters and Schnee to show up because none of us are very knowledgeable on John.

I promised Regidian that I'd wait for him to wake up before continuing this thread.

so for now this is undecided and we should move on to a different thread.
High D don't. They have 0 to do with each other.
 
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The argument doesn't really change anything. It's already been addressed on a separate thread.
can you link the thread?

also, i heard the Nonexistent Physiology page is going to get reworked

I still voted for Shiki under the assumption that Higher Dimensional Charecters/Abilities cant affect NEP Type 2
 
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