Battle for strongest non-smurf 9-B: Klein Moretti vs Hatou Manabu

[DontTalkDT]

Klein Moretti vs Hatou Manabu

Speed Equal

Strongest non-smurf 9-B key from Klein.

SBA otherwise


Gotta at least try this match. It's rare enough that Hatou gets used, after all.

 

[Zaratthustra]

What stops Klein from looking at her and then making her fight against herself? Basically, he will summon another her and have them fight plus himself.

 

[DebatingIsMyGoal]

Soo... How does she damage Klein?

 

[DontTalkDT]

What stops Klein from looking at her and then making her fight against herself? Basically, he will summon another her and have them fight plus himself.

He would only see one of infinite Hatou's. I would think a copy would either just be swallowed up in the collective hivemind or just get trashed by the infinite others.

Soo... How does she damage Klein?

Hmmm... law manip for incap?
Or she could find and paradox/kill all his maggots to paradox him from existence?
Or maybe she could use a version of herself that is Klein to fight him?

 

[Zaratthustra]

Is not a copy of her, it's herself with all her powers. He can summon anything he had seen or has knowledge of being it a person, a power, an item, and even a location. Can she interact with him? He is not only a conceptual being but someone who exist in the normal universe, through the timeline and in the Sefirah Castle - type 8 and 9. Just being in his presence if not resisted someone will become his puppet in less than 10 seconds (this is for those that resist). Just by taking a glimpse/hear him at him if he doesn't restain himself will corrupt and induce madness into one as he's a Mythical Creature (a swirl of spirit worms/maggots with tentacles).

 

[DebatingIsMyGoal]

Hmmm... law manip for incap?
Or she could find and paradox/kill all his maggots to paradox him from existence?
Or maybe she could use a version of herself that is Klein to fight him?

Pretty sure he has law manipulation too, and Klein has maggots in the sefirah castle which exists above the spiritual world, a place where the past, present, and future intertwines and where infinite knowledge can be held, as well as the astral world which is made of concepts and kingdoms of other gods. What can she do if Klein summons the river of eternal darkness where even the concept of death dies, or use the door pathway to exile her from the universe. If he sees her, then he can summon her form the fog of history/time itself, and the one he summoned will have all her powers and abilities because it is her. He is a outer deity, and a half a great old one so he can passively corrupt her, mind you that this corruption corrupted the black emperor, and chained god, two abstract existences that control a pathway.

 

[Leotamer]

How is the reality-bender with universal+ range not a smurf?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Is not a copy of her, it's herself with all her powers. He can summon anything he had seen or has knowledge of being it a person, a power, an item, and even a location.

I mean, first, looking at her is actually hard since she made herself unobservable and non-existent. Can Klein see such beings?
Second, she is a hivemind of infinite versions of herself. Version of herself that go against her are nothing new. They don't manage to overturn the goals of the hivemind.
Third, if you wish to claim that he can copy the entire superposition hivemind then I want to see some serious feats of him using the ability on something of such a nature. I doubt he has the feats unless he is straight up a smurf. We are talking about some massively infinite stuff here. In fact, going by his profile, he doesn't have the universe level+ range necessary to accomplish it.

Can she interact with him? He is not only a conceptual being but someone who exist in the normal universe, through the timeline and in the Sefirah Castle - type 8 and 9. Just being in his presence if not resisted someone will become his puppet in less than 10 seconds (this is for those that resist). Just by taking a glimpse/hear him at him if he doesn't restain himself will corrupt and induce madness into one as he's a Mythical Creature (a swirl of spirit worms/maggots with tentacles).

Most of all possible Hatou's are not near him, so it doesn't matter. Mind controlling those that are isn't enough to overturn the hivemind at large.
She can't do much to directly affect a conceptual entity (usually), but she can either change laws to incap him or attack him at points in time where he didn't have such a nature (e.g. his 1st key self).
She also has the ability to become almost every person to ever exist. There would be a version of her that was born by Klein's mother, in Klein's body, in a place and time identical to the one Klein grew up in, and then took exactly the same actions as Klein throughout her entire life, including having all the same interactions with all the same things and people. Consequently that version would, I assume, end up with exactly the same powers as Klein and could beat him using his own abilities.

Pretty sure he has law manipulation too, and Klein has maggots in the sefirah castle which exists above the spiritual world, a place where the past, present, and future intertwines and where infinite knowledge can be held, as well as the astral world which is made of concepts and kingdoms of other gods.

That sounds a lot like smurf range, if he straight-up has stuff in higher planes of reality/different universes.

What can she do if Klein summons the river of eternal darkness where even the concept of death dies, or use the door pathway to exile her from the universe.

She would lose that one version of her in that one superposition of the world. She has infinite more, including infinite ones in the past before he uses those techniques and in superpositions where he doesn't use those techniques, so it doesn't matter to her.

If he sees her, then he can summon her form the fog of history/time itself, and the one he summoned will have all her powers and abilities because it is her.
He is a outer deity, and a half a great old one so he can passively corrupt her, mind you that this corruption corrupted the black emperor, and chained god, two abstract existences that control a pathway.

See above answer to Zaratthustra.

 

[DontTalkDT]

How is the reality-bender with universal+ range not a smurf?

It's just time abilities. Time abilities with 4D range (i.e. every time ability involving future and past) were decided to be allowed i.e. not smurf.

 

[Leotamer]

It seems like her abilities means that she will always either stomp or be stomped, because if she isn't stomped, it means she has a chance to win and because of her powers as a 4d probability manipulator, she always wins thus making it a stomp. And if you overcome her probability manipulation and other haxes, then you are probably strong enough to take on a wall-level girl, and thus will stomp her.