Battle for Dream Island: Well, I'm Not The One Who Doesn't Know How High Their Stat Values Are!

[Psychomaster35]

In celebration of BFB's 7 year anniversary, how about some stat upgrades? After all, it's been a while since my last BFDI-related CRT due to focusing on other stuff. With that said, I guess you'll have to witness these new values for yourself.

Low Multiversal Budget Cuts

Currently, all users of budget cuts are Low 2-C from being able to scale to the Announcer who used his budget cuts to destroy the entirety of the BFDI cosmology overtime until it is gone forever (Evident through being able to affect an alternate universe scenario of a past event). At first, we believed that there was only one universe. But thanks to the release of BFDIA 9, we are shown that a version of the underworld essentially exists in the series, with this location being confirmed to be a "3D alternate universe" in the episode's description. As such, the cosmology is upgraded to 2 universes, which would in turn upgrade the budget cut users to 2-C scaling to 2 universes.

Quadrilliony? I'm Better Friends With Nonilliony! (Speed Upgrade)

Thanks to this calculation, the cast should scale to 676.9 nonillion times faster than light scaling from Tree being able to give Fanny a thumbs up shortly after letting go of the rocket and shortly before being sucked into Black Hole's large form that was fast enough to reduce everything in his dream to absolutely nothing. I know it could potentially be considered an infinite speed feat as an absolute high end if you were to be generous and say the dream is as big as the real world which is infinite in size, but Black Hole's dream is never stated to be the same size as the real world despite similar resemblances in structure locations, hence why I went with a starry sky as a lowball. As for a refute saying that Black Hole is growing bigger overtime, this Black Hole in the dream had the control over his own size to the point where he even shrunk down to have a conversation with Fanny, not to mention that he isn't getting any bigger while sucking things up in space while chasing Fanny and Tree's rocket.

Moving The World? I'm Moving The Underworld, Too! (AP + Lifting Strength Upgrade)

This is probably the most controversial section as it involves some very complex mechanics with how things work, but I'll give it a shot. So basically, we have 2 calculations of the Earth being moved: Factor of Four Donut moving the Earth, and the Have Cots rotating the Earth, both of which assume the mass of the typical Earth (5.972e24 kg). However, what if I told you that the Earth would later be revealed to be housing an entire universe within its core? This is exactly what' got revealed in BFDIA 13, in which Coiny had to dig all the way down to the center of the Earth to retrieve Pin from the underworld, the latter of whom kept repeatedly stating she's there. As I stated earlier in the Low Multiversal Budget Cuts section, the underworld is confirmed to be a universe, which means any feat involving the Earth being moved would end up being affected by using the mass of the universe (1.5e53 kg) instead. Thus, I made this calc that replaces the mass of the Earth in both feats with the mass of the universe, both of which get to a higher point in the 4-A range than what they scale to currently with the latter feat also upgrading everyone's lifting strength to Multi-Galactic (Due to 5 people performing the feat) while the former feat upgrades Factor of Four Donut and those who scale to him (Four and Two) to Universal (As only FoF Donut did this feat).

Now, I know what you're thinking: how in hell could there be an entire universe stuffed in the Earth's core in spite of the Earth being massively inferior in size to an observable universe? One could say that there's a portal at the core leading to the underworld, but this is never actually stated, especially since this universe is very much nearby as implied by Coiny attempting to pull Pin's underworldly body to the overworld. If they were really in separate dimensions entirely, then Coiny wouldn't have been able to access the underworld to begin with as the forcefield should've been blocking the core, yet it's only blocking underworldly characters from getting to the surface of the Earth. A good explanation could possibly have to do with some spatial abnormalities in the core that allow an entire universe to be stuffed in the core of an average sized planet like Earth, and that's honestly the best I can really think of as the properties of how this is possible is never elaborated on in the show.

Hence, when it comes to scaling those 2 feats of moving the Earth to others and assuming that the Earth has the mass of an observable universe, due to the unexplained circumstances as to how a universe-sized underworld could fit inside the core of a regular-sized Earth, the very least I can try to get accepted is a "possibly  higher" rating for AP next to their current 4-A rating and a "possibly Multi-Galactic/Universal" rating for Lifting Strength. Though, if you manage to find this solid enough to be a solid rating, I wouldn't mind that.

 

[Psychomaster35]

@DarkDragonMedeus @LephyrTheRevanchist @Propellus @Maverick_Zero_X @DemonGodMitchAubin Input on this CRT would be appreciated.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Looks good to me.

The third one, especially? Do you accept it as a solid or possibly rating?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I guess the possibly proposal.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

OP looks good (I using a possibly rating for the third proposal, as the Earth containing a whole universe is obviously pretty wonky)

 

[Psychomaster35]

Bump

 

[Psychomaster35]

@Duedate8898 @Dereck03 Input on this CRT would be appreciated, especially since I only need 1 more staff approval

 

[Dereck03]

I'm sided with Maverick opinion.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Low Multiversal Budget Cuts

Currently, all users of budget cuts are Low 2-C from being able to scale to the Announcer who used his budget cuts to destroy the entirety of the BFDI cosmology overtime until it is gone forever (Evident through being able to affect an alternate universe scenario of a past event). At first, we believed that there was only one universe. But thanks to the release of BFDIA 9, we are shown that a version of the underworld essentially exists in the series, with this location being confirmed to be a "3D alternate universe" in the episode's description. As such, the cosmology is upgraded to 2 universes, which would in turn upgrade the budget cut users to 2-C scaling to 2 universes.

I agree, easily.

Quadrilliony? I'm Better Friends With Nonilliony! (Speed Upgrade)

Thanks to this calculation, the cast should scale to 676.9 nonillion times faster than light scaling from Tree being able to give Fanny a thumbs up shortly after letting go of the rocket and shortly before being sucked into Black Hole's large form that was fast enough to reduce everything in his dream to absolutely nothing. I know it could potentially be considered an infinite speed feat as an absolute high end if you were to be generous and say the dream is as big as the real world which is infinite in size, but Black Hole's dream is never stated to be the same size as the real world despite similar resemblances in structure locations, hence why I went with a starry sky as a lowball. As for a refute saying that Black Hole is growing bigger overtime, this Black Hole in the dream had the control over his own size to the point where he even shrunk down to have a conversation with Fanny, not to mention that he isn't getting any bigger while sucking things up in space while chasing Fanny and Tree's rocket.

Remember that the only reason Black Hole got the infinity upgrade is because his nightmare's apocalyptic consequences were what he believed would truly happen if he weren't committed to pacifism, and were why Black Hole regularly fears lacking this commitment outside of his imagined scenarios. Think of it like a statement with very clear and engaging visuals to go along with it. Along with how Black Hole knows how his superpowers work and he sometimes says trivia about how black holes work, there is reason to believe his worries are reliable and not over-exaggerated, so I decided to propose the upgrade to him.

Otherwise, the specific events of Black Hole's nightmare and the nightmares of all the others were merely fiction (in the perspectives of the characters). At the time of this nightmare, Tree in the physical world was an overgrown tree stuck in the Goiky Canal, and the version of him seen in Black Hole's nightmare was a result of Black Hole's good wishes for his friends' well-beings. Tree's specific actions in Black Hole's nightmare were fictional to them all and operated under dream logic. This is the same reason why the idea that characters get limited resurrection via waking up with dead characters in their minds was not applied. They entered the nightmares alive, and them dying in the nightmares was just a fictional event to them, so they technically didn't die.

With the aforementioned established, if you aren't convinced, I'd be willing to settle for a "likely" or "possibly" rank that includes the 676.9 nonillion times faster than light stat, since the characters already have ludicrously high faster than light values, so the inclusion of this and the idea that Tree's thumbs-up in the nightmare is accurate to his true form wouldn't mess with much consistency already accepted.

Moving The World? I'm Moving The Underworld, Too! (AP + Lifting Strength Upgrade)

This is probably the most controversial section as it involves some very complex mechanics with how things work, but I'll give it a shot. So basically, we have 2 calculations of the Earth being moved: Factor of Four Donut moving the Earth, and the Have Cots rotating the Earth, both of which assume the mass of the typical Earth (5.972e24 kg). However, what if I told you that the Earth would later be revealed to be housing an entire universe within its core? This is exactly what' got revealed in BFDIA 13, in which Coiny had to dig all the way down to the center of the Earth to retrieve Pin from the underworld, the latter of whom kept repeatedly stating she's there. As I stated earlier in the Low Multiversal Budget Cuts section, the underworld is confirmed to be a universe, which means any feat involving the Earth being moved would end up being affected by using the mass of the universe (1.5e53 kg) instead. Thus, I made this calc that replaces the mass of the Earth in both feats with the mass of the universe, both of which get to a higher point in the 4-A range than what they scale to currently with the latter feat also upgrading everyone's lifting strength to Multi-Galactic (Due to 5 people performing the feat) while the former feat upgrades Factor of Four Donut and those who scale to him (Four and Two) to Universal (As only FoF Donut did this feat).

Now, I know what you're thinking: how in hell could there be an entire universe stuffed in the Earth's core in spite of the Earth being massively inferior in size to an observable universe? One could say that there's a portal at the core leading to the underworld, but this is never actually stated, especially since this universe is very much nearby as implied by Coiny attempting to pull Pin's underworldly body to the overworld. If they were really in separate dimensions entirely, then Coiny wouldn't have been able to access the underworld to begin with as the forcefield should've been blocking the core, yet it's only blocking underworldly characters from getting to the surface of the Earth. A good explanation could possibly have to do with some spatial abnormalities in the core that allow an entire universe to be stuffed in the core of an average sized planet like Earth, and that's honestly the best I can really think of as the properties of how this is possible is never elaborated on in the show.

Hence, when it comes to scaling those 2 feats of moving the Earth to others and assuming that the Earth has the mass of an observable universe, due to the unexplained circumstances as to how a universe-sized underworld could fit inside the core of a regular-sized Earth, the very least I can try to get accepted is a "possibly  higher" rating for AP next to their current 4-A rating and a "possibly Multi-Galactic/Universal" rating for Lifting Strength. Though, if you manage to find this solid enough to be a solid rating, I wouldn't mind that.

The "possibly" iteration of this upgrade is the more reliable way to go. I might as well post what I wrote in the general discussion thread:

I'm unsure of whether you should use the information or not. It's the spatial abnormalities that make me unsure, because its logic is unscientific and we don't know the truth of the little intricacies. What I do know is, in the case that the idea gets used, it would transform Multi-Solar System level from overplay into a consistent rank due to re-contextualizing previous [planetary] feats that were thought to establish a more grounded consistency (to the standards of celestial body feats). However, for all we know, the unnatural spatial phenomenon is what carries the underworld's mass and other physics, preventing the need for the Earth to have super strength to carry it, and thus preventing characters who can move the Earth from proving they can move the underworld. Either way, I don't intend to take issue with such an upgrade if you will attempt one, so I won't try to stop you as long as you phrase the revision proposal well.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Otherwise, the specific events of Black Hole's nightmare and the nightmares of all the others were merely fiction (in the perspectives of the characters). At the time of this nightmare, Tree in the physical world was an overgrown tree stuck in the Goiky Canal, and the version of him seen in Black Hole's nightmare was a result of Black Hole's good wishes for his friends' well-beings. Tree's specific actions in Black Hole's nightmare were fictional to them all and operated under dream logic. This is the same reason why the idea that characters get limited resurrection via waking up with dead characters in their minds was not applied. They entered the nightmares alive, and them dying in the nightmares was just a fictional event to them, so they technically didn't die.

I don't really see how this wouldn't scale to them, though? Like yeah, the entire environment is a dream with Tree and Fanny's bodies being altered to fit Black Hole's dream as he views them, but Fanny's body was still physically placed inside of the dream with her mostly being the same outside of having her mouth back just for this moment. Even if Tree's physical body wasn't placed in the dream as seen when Fanny and Marker were exiting out of Black Hole's body, the fact that Fanny can still keep up with Tree's dream body means she should scale to him in speed. In other words, the rating should be solid IMO.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Genuine Question: Does there is any reason to the "nonillions of time FTL" calculation, even if the feat is legitimate, not be an Outlier?

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

I don't really see how this wouldn't scale to them, though? Like yeah, the entire environment is a dream with Tree and Fanny's bodies being altered to fit Black Hole's dream as he views them, but Fanny's body was still physically placed inside of the dream with her mostly being the same outside of having her mouth back just for this moment. Even if Tree's physical body wasn't placed in the dream as seen when Fanny and Marker were exiting out of Black Hole's body, the fact that Fanny can still keep up with Tree's dream body means she should scale to him in speed. In other words, the rating should be solid IMO.

Even though it's most evident with Tree in particular that his true body was different than his appearance in the nightmare world, the main point I'm making has to do with how the nightmares are fiction to the characters in general. Assuming all their bodies transferred into the nightmares were real, it's still possible that anything they did within the fictional events the nightmare were should be attributed to unpredictable dream world logic.

Regardless of the aforementioned, it also occurred to me that one nonillion is one quadrillion times greater than one quadrillion itself, so it would be useful to preserve the value that's currently in place, because it's over a quadrillion times closer to all the other feats.

 

[Psychomaster35]

Even though it's most evident with Tree in particular that his true body was different than his appearance in the nightmare world, the main point I'm making has to do with how the nightmares are fiction to the characters in general. Assuming all their bodies transferred into the nightmares were real, it's still possible that anything they did within the fictional events the nightmare were should be attributed to unpredictable dream world logic.

Again, I still don't see what this has anything to do with them not scaling to it. Yes, dreams are fiction, but there were physical bodies placed into these dreams in a way that whatever they did within these dreams could scale to them, which includes the aforementioned speed feat. Also, while dreams in general are unpredictable, I think this should still be used anyways as Fanny was telling Black Hole that there's about to be nothing left shortly before everything was reduced to a white void, so it shouldn't be affected by the unnpredictable shinanegans outside of Black Hole returning to normal size after destroying everything in his dream.

Genuine Question: Does there is any reason to the "nonillions of time FTL" calculation, even if the feat is legitimate, not be an Outlier?

There's many MFTL+ feats in the series, so it should be fine. Not to mention, there are hardly any anti-feats that really stop them from reaching these speeds.

Anyways, with 3 staff agreements and 2 days passed, I'll go ahead and apply them.

 

[James_Plays_4_Games]

Also, while dreams in general are unpredictable, I think this should still be used anyways as Fanny was telling Black Hole that there's about to be nothing left shortly before everything was reduced to a white void, so it shouldn't be affected by the unnpredictable shinanegans outside of Black Hole returning to normal size after destroying everything in his dream.

Fair enough.