Battle for 1st spot in 10-B (Along with Tom Taylor): Molecule Man vs Beatrice

[Ovy7]

Doing this cause why not.

Their 10-B key is being used.

Round 1: Speed Equal

Molecule Man:

Beatrice: 3

Incon:

Round 2: Speed Un-equal

Molecule Man:

Beatrice: 3

Incon:

 

[InfiniteDay]

Why is molecule man second in 10-B anyways? Beatrice should win with Endless magic.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Was hoping for Tom vs Beatrice
round 1: Probably beatrice via truths

Round 2: MM has the speed advantage but I'm not sure how fast truths are, but I'm still leaning towards Beatrice

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Wait, Beatrice has endless magic, then Beatrice stomps

 

[Ovy7]

Why is molecule man second in 10-B anyways? Beatrice should win with Endless magic.

He was actually 1st, in a tie with Tom Taylor.

 

[00potato]

Voting Beato via being slightly more obscure and Marvel having less active supporters on here.

 

[InfiniteDay]

He was actually 1st, in a tie with Tom Taylor.

Tom Taylor should hyper-stomp Molecule man lmao

 

[InfiniteDay]

Anyway Beatrice fra

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

^He did beat MM once, MM only beats tom with speed unequal

 

[Rikimarox2]

Round 1 Beatrice fodderizes with truths.

Round 2 however, I honestly don't know. It says it can vary up to immeasurable, but idk what speed she currently has.

Either way, I believe MM still blitz round 2 if she doesn't have immeasurable speed.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

I believe MM still blitz round 2 if she doesn't have immeasurable speed.

Truths have caught up with immeasurable speed characters before

 

[ElixirBlue]

Beatrice FRA

 

[InfiniteDay]

Aren't truths also semi-passive?

 

[Rikimarox2]

Don't they need to say/do something in order to active it? I haven't played Umineko, so idk jack about it.

 

[Ned_the_outer_god]

Wait, I think the truths can go up to Irrelevant speed, but IDK

 

[00potato]

Don't they need to say/do something in order to active it? I haven't played Umineko, so idk jack about it.

It seems to be based on statements, so presumably not passive.

 

[Ovy7]

So I guess Beato won this?

 

[00potato]

None of that says passive, in fact it mentions assertions, spoken word, and the ability to refute it. So it definitely isn’t passive.

 

[Ovy7]

Not that sure about it being passive, but as far as I remember, you can't stop someone from using a Truth once they start it. Basically, the plot gets manipulated to allow it for him/her to complete the Truth (which kinda makes sense as Truths are plot manip, along with other stuff).

 

[Rikimarox2]

If she needs to start it, then what's stopping MM from blitzing her? Still, I'm not sure if she is immeasurable here, since the profile says its varied.

 

[Ovy7]

If she needs to start it, then what's stopping MM from blitzing her? Still, I'm not sure if she is immeasurable here, since the profile says its varied.

She basically starts at MHS/likely infinite and can become Immeasurable by moving into a higher dimension/narrative layer.

 

[00potato]

i mean she has to become immeasurable, so he blitzes before she does that.

 

[Ovy7]

She could just come back from that (cause 1A+ High Godly) and then instantly ascend (or just regen into a higher narrative directly).

Just saying.

Edit: also, there's a possibility that she can use Truths while in the Sea of Oblivion (the 1-A+ realm) if she regains her form there before coming back into the fight. We see this in Ep8 with Erika when she regains her form in Oblivion but still takes her time there to solve the mystery before coming back.

This is just a possibility tho.

 

[InfiniteDay]

Beatrice dies, Type 9 and regen say hello, ascends. and stomps

 

[Lord_JJJ]

Beato Stomp for reasons above. Even If Molecule Man blitz and kill her once (in round 2). she can just come back thanks to her Immortalities

 

[00potato]

No matter how many times she comes back, he blitzes by an infinite amount.
He will just incap eventually. Especially since he is immeasurable and can incap before the fight even starts.

 

[Rikimarox2]

If she can regen in the 1-A+ place, and use shit there, then yeah, she fodderizes him easily.

Not sure about the higher narrative shit though, how fast is MM compared to other immeasurables? Perhaps he can still blitz her.

 

[YungManzi]

Honestly both of their immeasurable ratings are dubious.

MM because he scales to Beyonder who has no listed justification for being immeasurable, and Beatrice because fighting so fast it seems time stopped is nowhere near enough to justify an immeasurable rating (Unless the immesurable rating comes from being in a "Higher Layer" and thereby being a higher dimensional being. In which case it sounds like the speed wouldn't be applicable for 10-B Beatrice)

We may need to enter them in the thread about immeasurable speed to check and see if that rating is valid. Especially with the new standards and staff being more strict when it comes to handing out this speed.

 

[Ovy7]

In Beatrice's case is the latter. The Immeasurable is because she's in a higher layer from where the lower ones' time (and hell, even the narrative) is stopped. It's also the same Beatrice, the higher layer stuff is an amp she can do to herself.

 

[YungManzi]

In Beatrice's case is the latter. The Immeasurable is because she's in a higher layer from where the lower ones' time (and hell, even the narrative) is stopped. It's also the same Beatrice, the higher layer stuff is an amp she can do to herself.

If it's an amp which she can do, then it's not passive, so she still gets blitzed.

Regardless, that justification definitely needs some adjusting.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

MM scales the Pre-Retcon beyonder which he can casually walk through all the infinite planes of the multiverse and to a realm outside the multiverse

scales to be millions of times more powerful in all Aspects than the entire multiverse force combined.