Batman Post-Flashpoint Upgrade

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Batman from Post-Flashpoint is stronger than Post-Crisis, who was upgraded to Building level. Batman also has feats calced to be in the Building to Large Building level range. Can he be upgraded?

Btw I also heard people say we should merge Post-Crisis and Post-Flashpoint, which is an idea. I'm neutral.

 

[Antvasima]

I would prefer to merge the Post-Flashpoint profile into the Post-Crisis one, yes, as they are the same character after Rebirth. I will inform Matthew about this thread.

 

[Firestorm808]

I think there should be Post-Crisis/Post-Rebirth and New 52.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that seems unnecessary and confusing.

 

[Hellbeast1]

yeah that's unnecessary since The New 52 and Rebirth continuities are one and the same. The thing is though that in the cases of characters like Batman alot of their stories are canon in the New 52 timeline.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

bump

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Is anyone willing to perform the merge?

 

[Antvasima]

I have asked Matthew, but he isn't responding.

 

[Firestorm808]

Is Doomsday still Solar System in Rebirth? New 52 WW is able to hold him off.

According to the Post-Crisis half of Superman, Doomsday hits with the same force as their first fight, and they fought on par with each other before Superman sent him to the Phantom Zone.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

We do not have a profile for Post-Flashpoint Doomsday. And New 52 WW is only 5-A.

 

[Js250476]

I'm still wondering about something Matt said New 52 has Tier 4 Stuff yet still isn't in the profiles for some reason like the Mogo feat for example

 

[Firestorm808]

The Rebirth Pre-Convergence key for Post-Crisis Superman should be 5-A too in that case.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Hmmn. So we should merge all the Post-Crisis and Post-Flashpoint since their stats are identical. Post-Flashpoint Superman being 4-B is likely.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Hmm if DD is indeed 4-B there's no reason for Diana to not be 4-B

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yes, so basically Post-Flashpoint Batman needs to be upgraded to 8-C, and Superman/WW to 4-B - the exact same with Post-Crisis. I see no reason not to merge them any more.

 

[Hellbeast1]

Would this upgrade apply to the New 52 variations of GL and Aquaman?

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

I believe yes. And we should just merge the New 52 and Post-Crisis profiles

 

[Antvasima]

I think that we should probably merge all of the Post-Flashpoint profiles to their Post-Crisis versions.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yeah, but what should we call them? We can't call them "Character Name (Post-Crisis)" anymore, since Post-Flashpoint is merged in.

 

[Antvasima]

Well, it would still cover the characters after the original Crisis event.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Yeah, but it also contains Post-Flashpoint. Should we call it simply, for example Batman, only "Batman"?

 

[Hellbeast1]

That seems prudent and it'd in my opinion make it simpler and less confusing then having them separate.

 

[Antvasima]

Given that the continuities have merged together, anything happening after the Crisis event is technically Post-Crisis, as that is what the term means.

 

[Firestorm808]

My only question is didn't Dr. Manhattan purposely weaken them with the New 52. Otherwise, he didn't do anything at all.

 

[Antvasima]

During the New 52 the superhero character feats were generally shown of a lower scale than previously.

 

[Firestorm808]

Should we say that things went to "normal" when the two halves of Superman merged?

 

[Zensum]

DD is stated to be more evolved in post flashopoint than his prevous incarnation

 

[Antvasima]

I think so, although the new Superman continuity mixes storylines from both eras.

 

[Zensum]

True

And yeah to the orginal post, rebirth directly continues the post-flashpoint story so merging the profiles for those would be cool. Post crisis is a little harder because its vague how those incarnations lead into the new ones. Im sure they will explain it more indepth eventually

 

[Antvasima]

Well, I need Matthew's help to handle this, as I do not have nearly enough free time myself.

 

[Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan]

Bump

 

[Hellbeast1]

If anyone requires assistance with the revisions i would like to throw my hat in the ring and help out

 

[Firestorm808]

Same.

 

[Zensum]

Me as well

 

[Antvasima]

I am afraid that we still need Matthew to give directives regarding this, but I still think that it is probably a good idea to merge the Post-Crisis and Post-Flashpoint profiles.

 

[Huesito88]

bump

 

[Huesito88]

so what are the current standings

 

[Antvasima]

I will ask Matthew to contribute here.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I think rather than separate Post-Crisis and Post-Flashpoint profiles, keys would work much better.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, but how should the characters be scaled? DC continuity has turned confusing with the repeated reboots.