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Bastard!! CRT Part2(Characters' Abilities & Stats Revision)

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Continuation of this thread

Let's not beat around the bush, here we go.

A) Astral Beings(Angels/Devils) Physiology​

*I am going to add some more abilities that Angels/Devils have in common. Some of the following may already be listed in the last thread but still, better than nothing.

-Elemental Manipulation( All basic elements ): Magic is the secret that Devils stole from god and gave to humanity, they possess much superior magic than humans do, and the magic used by humans is simply an imitation of theirs. Hence, Angels/Devils would evidently be capable of performing applications of magic shown by humans(it will take me quite a while to re-read early chapters of the manga and make completion of all the magic used). Therefore, I'm only going to propose Elemental Manipulations in this thread, which would include: Plants Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Water Manipulation, Air Manipulation, Earth/Magma Manipulation, Ice Manipulation/Absolute Zero, Light Manipulation/Explosion Manipulation, and Darkness Manipulation.

-Projection Energy: This

-Resistance Negation: Seraphim-rank angels' anti-demon technique, which is done through divine energy, can destroy both body, spirit, and soul of even a high-level demon(Viscount-rank demon), whose inferior fellows are already resistant to magic.

-Statistics Amplification: Angels/Devils can rise their divine/demonic energy

-Empowerment(Non-combat Applicable): This

-Body Control: As shown by Konron and Beelzebub(see Konron section for clearer evidence).

-Illusion Creation: Devils are capable of creating illusions

-Passive Fear Manipulation, Soul & Mind Manipulation, and Possession: Just looking at a low-level demon will make the soul filled with fear, can also destroy souls then possess the victim's body.

-Abstract Existence(Type 1): Finally the day has come, for the Astral Body(Spirit) to become an abstraction Type 1, which would lead to the Ideal Body(Soul) gaining an even more ''abstract'' level of existence, as well as an upgrade for their Non-Physical Interaction.

-Avatar Creation: As explained in the scans above, the body which they use to interact with substances on the Material Plane is just their physical manifestation/avatar/''medium'' for their higher/original aspect of existence
which is the Astral Body.

-Astral Projection: The Astral Body is independent of the Material Body and can act separately even after the physical body's death.

Resistance to:
-Fear Manipulation: It should be obvious that they could withstand each others' aura.

-Mind Control: Same as above, Dominion-a lower-order of angels is the true nature of Anthrax, who has passive mind control.

-Body Puppetry: High-level ones can easily resist being controlled

-Power Nullification: High-level beings are mass of dense magic themselves, so technically even their normal attacks contain magic, which has shown to be able to bypass Dispel Bounds( hit the body directly without being nullified)


B) Characters' Abilities Addition.​

*For this part, imma keep the BigBoi ones later in the thread. Let's start with easy stuffs first

-Gabriel:​


- Konron:​


-Porno Diane

-Satan

-Uriel

+Pre Fallen:​

+Fallen:​

*Note: There is one thing we do need to take notice of: The word ''disintegrated'' in Bastard!! is actually equal in meaning to ''to be erased from existence'' or ''to return into void/nothingness''.

+(Fallen) Augoeides:​

*Note: Satan's Augoeides should have the above abilities as Augoeides's strength is the power of a being's soul and can be considered as a reflection of that being's spiritual/astral energy level(last thread Augoeides section). We learned that it is the mass of Augoeides that helps angels/devils to perform enhanced abilities. And Satan's Augoeides is MUCH bigger than Uriel's.

-Dark Schneider

+Base:​


+Majin DS:​

*Basically, the core of his power in this form is the 7 Judas Pain pieces, 6 of which initially belonged to the Demon Lords(who are equal to the Seraphims). He stole theirs(except for Beelzebub's) and fused them with his own piece to form this state. This means he was literally possessing the power of 6 Demon Lords combined. Hence, DS in this state would essentially gain all attributes/abilities that a high-rank Devil has, EXCEPT for Augoeides(while of course still have all abilities in base). Plus some unique stuff of his own:

-Dragon Knight Lucifer​

*All previous abilities, plus:

-Adam of Darkness:​

*EXCLUDING DKL, he remains all previous abilities on a likely rather higher level, as AOD stated to have no rivals, be it a demon or an angel and that his powers(ability-wise) have been described as ''closest to God-like''. Capable of killing Adam(the messenger of God and can be considered as his light/holy counterpart)-whom not even demons/angels can kill(including the likes such as Seraphs and Demon lords...). In addition to:

C) Statistics Clarification​

Well, it's finally the time for this section. It's important to know that I'll still be using some of the old calcs and stuff as they are still valid up until now.
*First we need to get rid of some misconceptions:
1) 4D Astral Plane => Simply no

2) DS and Uriel ''solid'' 3A: This one is quite common. PPL often argue that DS/Uriel clashing with each other shattered and tore the Black Abyss, which requires an energy output of BigBang to be opened even just for 1/6 nanosecond. => Each part is right on itself, yes DS + Uriel partially destroyed Black Abyss by merely battling and there is a space where you need Bigbang's level of energy to open. Thing is, these two places held No similarity, are literally 2 different places: The dimension that needs the energy output equal to the creation of the universe is called Acaltraz Space and is where DS got BFR'ed. It is absolutely not the same as Black Abyss-The Gate to Hell.

3) Statements about High-level demons 6600x stronger than Anthrax: The scan literally debunked itself. These high-level demons cannot be stronger than Seraphs, as the only individuals that rival 4 Seraphs in power are the 7 Demon/Devil Lords. Also, it would be a big big big inconsistency for them to be actually that strong, since if that was the case, the Heaven Army would have been bodied during the Great War, for Seraphim, which is the highest rank in the angel's hierarchy and only have 4 beings in this rank while Hell Army possesses countless demons, each of whom is stronger than a seraph. And well it is not the case obviously, The army of Heaven won the war and rebellions them in the lowest floor of Hell-Cocytus.
-There's also the fact that if they were actually stronger than Seraphs, they wouldn't just be 6600x Anthrax/A dominion(you will see why later)
-And we can see that demon was saying with a tone of bias. He even might have made up that number for the sake of satisfaction( I mean, 6600 <=> 666 = Satan, isn't it too much for a coincidence?)

-Attack Potency:​

*Primarily, Angels/Devils' AP will be divided into 2 keys: Base Form | Augoeides

-Konron: Unknown (Is a 13,000-level demon, and is considerably inferior to the Seraphs, whose level is 200,000 and above, would have been easily eliminated if it wasn't for Void Howling). Should be much stronger than Anthrax though to what extent is unclear) | Possibly Planet level (Base Seraphs were visibly frightened by his Augoeides, which nods that he was around their level of power at that point)

-Michael: Likely Planet level (Is a 400,000-level angel and is immeasurably superior to the likes such as Anthrax. Seraphs had been stated to have the capability of pulverizing planets, they also got other confirmations to be around this level), Possibly Large Star level with Leviathan (Stated to have the power equal to a supernova by Gabriel twice) | At least Large Star level (Augoeides can obliterate stars with sheer physical force, the spiritual power emitted by them can rival black holes and quasars. Is the ultimate/strongest state of an angel/devil, putting it above Uriel's Executor Mode and Michael's Leviathan)

*Notes:
-Other Seraphs, as well as the 7 Demon Lords would basically have the same descriptions regarding their AP(excluding the key via Leviathan)
-I remember a saying that Seraphs are trillions of times stronger than lower-order angels or sth. That being said, they would still be at ''Likely'' until I could find the scan.

*Now to the more complicated ones:
-Satan: At least Solar System level (Should be considerably stronger than Fallen Uriel, easily crushed the army of angels and one-shotted base Uriel) | Atleast Multi-Galaxy level (Augoeides's size is proportional to the Angel/Devil's energy level, speaking of which Satan's is much more enormous than that of Fallen Uriel), likely Universe level (Was the one who scratched the Acaltraz Space, which requires an energy output equal to BigBang to be opened in just 1/6 nanosecond, to rescue DS. Also repeatedly regarded as a threat to the creation/universe)
*The redraw version has the same translation

-Uriel: Base Form | Executor Mode | Fallen Uriel | Augoeides
Likely Planet level (Is a 200,000-level angel and is immeasurably superior to the likes such as Anthrax. Seraphs had been stated to have the capability of pulverizing planets, they also got other confirmations to be around this level) | Vastly stronger than before, Possibly Star level with Gungnir (Hold a power that can potentially wipe out a star) | Solar System level (1000x more powerful than before, can likely increase his power level by hating more) | Galaxy level (Vastly stronger than before, was stated by the strongest Seraphim to have enough power to destroy the whole galaxy himself and shattered Black Abyss as a side effect of his clashing with DKL), Multi-Galaxy level via Reactive Power Level (his power increased 130 times after regenerating from an intense wave of attacks, and was still rising at 130 fold)

-Dark Schneider: Pre-Timeskip | Base Post-Timeskip | Majin Dark Schneider | Dragon Knight Lucifer | Adam of darkness
Large Country level to Multi-Continent level (Near the beginning of the series, he had spells capable of this much destruction while very rusty. His prime had matched Lars, who was able to beat a Dominion-rank angel effortlessly, he did kill Anthrax himself after had regained most of his powers) | Unknown (Should be much stronger than Pre-Timeskip as he could somehow damage base Konron and even somewhat match with Uriel. However, those could be easily considered as PIS and the fact that he got easily crushed by Konron right after) | Solar System level (Fair superior to any Demon Lords/Seraphs, fought on par with Fallen Uriel) | At least Galaxy level, Multi-Galaxy level via Reactive Power Level (Was also powering up to match Uriel's Augoeides and later beat him to a near-death state) | At least Multi-Galaxy level, Likely Universe level (Should be at least as powerful as DKL at the bare minimum. Adam of Darkness is far more powerful than even noble-ranked demons and is capable of killing Adam, whom no one else can kill, including Satan)
*Note: A supporting evidence for DS Universal is that even though it is not really AP-related, the statement that DS is the ''closest to God'' would somewhat imply he is the second only to God and even stronger than ones such as Satan.


-Speed​

*We have Base Post Time-skip DS was dodging and capable of moving at FTL speed when in his Astral body.
-High-level beings would also get divided into 2 keys: Base Form | Augoeides
At least MFTL+ Travel speed (Were able to travel 28,000 LY in 4 years) with FTL Combat and Reaction speed (Initially made of Ideal and Astral Body, the latter's speed is superior to that of light. We also got this confirmation from databook) | Relastivistic+ Travel (Augoeides can travel at a speed that is close to light's) with FTL combat speed (Augoeides should still remain combat/reaction speed as their base for, since Uriel's was still fighting equally with DKL DS)

-Uriel: Base Form | Fallen | Augoeides
At least MFTL+ Travel speed (Were able to travel 28,000 LY in 4 years) with FTL Combat and Reaction speed (Initially made of Ideal and Astral Body, the latter's speed is superior to that of light. We also got this confirmation from databook) | MFTL+ (Was fighting on equal ground with Majin DS) | Relastivistic+ travel (Augoeides can travel at a speed that is close to light's) with MFTL+ combat speed (Matched The DKL's speed)

-Post-Timeskip Dark Schneider: Base | Majin | Dragon Knight Lucifer | Adam of Darkness
FTL Reaction and Combat speed (This) | MFTL+ (Ten thousands of times more flexible than before) | MFTL+ (Basically same as before because Judas Pain was used as the source power for DKL) | At least MFTL+ (Superior to all of his previous forms)

-Stamina​

-For top-tier characters except for DS:
Superhuman (Angels/Devils are immensely pain-tolerant and even lower-order ones were capable of fighting 10 days continuously), Likely Limitless with Augoeides (Augoeides can freely manipulate the infinite energy of the universe according to their will)

-DS:
Superhuman in base (Should be at least comparable to Lars, who could fight with Anthrax for 10 days without rest). Infinite in Majin Form (Judas Pain can constantly absorb surrounding energies and convert them into an infinite source of energy for him)

-Range​

-Every high-level beings: Standard Melee range with Inter-dimensional effect in every normal punch for the obvious reason that they are capable of destroying Eternal Atoms, which simultaneously exist on different planes of existence/dimensions.
-Also, maybe Interstellar range for Satan via his sheer size.

D) Conclusion​

Well, that's the end of this thread and I'm most likely not going to make more threads for the time being cuz IRL stuff, so this can be considered my last thread for a while. Needless to say, the 2 reset threads had pretty much demonstrated all of the basic stuff from the verse. Expect to see me again this summer, I'll be back with even more upgrades.
Peace*

Agree: Delta, Rabbit, Milly, Veloxt, Axiom, God900, Qawsed(with most of the stuff)

Disagree:
 
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I'll have yo look over it but speed will need to be redone I'm pretty sure.
 
This scan is like, really bad and its hard to tell what's going on. Just post the full scene.
This is just them going all out. Its not the same as statistics amplification.
Empowered by negative acts is fine I guess. But it requires a rather large amount of negative acts
The narration box mentions it has to do so through mental attacks and it can only possess people that are mind controlled. Normal people have also resisted looking at far, far more powerful demons. Its not a passive thing in my view but an active ability for that demon.
-Avatar Creation: As explained in the scans above, the body which they use to interact with substances on the Material Plane is just their physical manifestation/avatar/''medium'' for their higher/original aspect of existence
which is the Astral Body.
This is fine but I would recommend putting what chapter this statement comes from. Bastard is a niche manga and has a large amount of rather lengthy chapters later on and this will be incredibly difficult to fact check without a source key.
which has shown to be able to bypass Dispel Bounds( hit the body directly without being nullified)
His Dispel Bounds were power nulled here and more importantly you can quite easily brick through Dispel Bounds with a high enough AP difference.
This is just BFR/Portal Creation to avoid attacks.
This link is broken. Also it being sealed doesn't mean much because its connected to every dimension and can freely be summoned to wherever
While fine you need to provide the full context for this scene to get the rating.
Tfw you made a RT that no one uses
Killing a zombie in no way grants you Immortality negation
These all need feats or scaling justifications to them
-Satan: Possibly Universe level (Is the strongest demon(and former angel) existed, as well as being the one with the highest level shown: 1,500,000 which is vastly superior even to Fallen Uriel. Easily crushed the army of angels and one-shotted base Uriel. And should not be that much inferior to his Augoeides)
I'm not for this for a few reasons
  • The source for the power levels come from a wiki without a sourced image for them
  • Literally no character is even remotely close to their Augoeides in power. Uriel in his casually one tapped a person who was slightly better than him and reduced him to his base form.
  • Satan's Augoeides was massively amped by the Big Bang energy he absorbed from DS. His pre-absorption Augoeides was far smaller than it was after he ate the energy generated by Darsh's squad
  • Being stronger than Uriel isn't a justification for 3-A when he's only 3-B at best
This would be Large Star level for being superior to her base form
Possibly Large Star level+ with Leviathan
A supernova is not High 4-C+. You don't get into High 4-C+ until you get 12-15 Foe and this would only be 1 Foe
While I agree with this reasoning, if only for Acaltraz space, I'm also not 100% on it since Satan had plenty of prep time to open that breach. He also wasn't able to escape the Black Abyss which had a likely weaker or comparable barrier without absorbing the Big Bang energy as well.

I think something like "At least X, likely 3-A" is fine though.
He fought evenly with Darsh before the 1,000x boost
Key point here, the complete jewel has that power. Darsh is lacking the last piece of the jewel
We know that most high-level beings are MFTL+(7000x FTL to be exact) Travel Speed. However, the truth is, that 7,000c rating would hold true for both travel and combat speed. The primal reason being Satan was able to travel at an extremely high speed while also destroying countless stars and even rip asunder the galaxy along his way. IIRC, there was other evidence for angels being able to fight while traveling, they were depicted pretty much capable of doing that. That being said, I think that Satan's example should be enough to prove my point. Now, let's start.
Actually Satan's example is rather bad
  • Beelzebub says that Satan is tearing through multiple stars on his way to Earth from the Galaxtic core (Chapter 102). Michael says that Satan is coming to Earth at unfathomable speeds while destroying stars (Chapter 103). Finally Raphael says that Satan is destroying solar systems at faster than light speeds (Chapter 126). In other words its taken Satan over 4 years to get from the core of the galaxy to Earth while flying in a straight line and he's still not gotten there
  • The feat is entirely off screen and is a text book example of what our travel speed standards apply to
    • The typical example of such cases of travel/flight speed that doesn't necessarily scale to reactions is space travel. As space is incredibly empty there are virtually no objects one has to navigate around between destinations. Just flying in a straight line from A to B would be safe. At the same time the typical destinations, such as stars and planets, are so large that they can easily be seen from millions of kilometers away. As a result a character would only need reactions equal to a miniscule fraction of their travel speed to perform a safe and precise landing on them.
Now, they are FTL since base Post-Angel Darsh can dodge FTL energy attacks but you would to scale from there. Such as this:
  • 1c (Darsh) x 10,000 (Pain) x 1,000 (Rage Amp) x Etc

-Stamina​

-For top-tier characters except for DS:
Extremely high (Angels/Devils are immensely pain-tolerant and even lower-order ones were capable of fighting 10 days continuously), Likely Limitless with Augoeides (Augoeides can freely manipulate the infinite energy of the universe according to their will)

-DS:
Extremely high in base (Should be at least comparable to Lars, who could fight with Anthrax for 10 days without rest). Infinite in Majin Form (Judas Pain can constantly absorb surrounding energies and convert them into an infinite source of energy for him)
Those are no longer our standards for Stamina
Every high-level being will grant Inter-dimensional range for the obvious reason that they are capable of destroying Eternal Atoms, which simultaneously exist on different planes of existence/dimensions.
They wouldn't have that range, since the bodies they hit occupy the same area but in different spaces. This is hax rather than range.

Anything I didn't mention I probably agree with.
 
They wouldn't have that range, since the bodies they hit occupy the same area but in different spaces. This is hax rather than range.
I mean hax needs to have range as well, there is no reason to assume that all hax can influence multiple spaces without feat.
 
I mean hax needs to have range as well, there is no reason to assume that all hax can influence multiple spaces without feat.
Yeah that was just a my bad there. I confused inter-dimensional with another rating
Interdimensional: Attacks and abilities that can reach beyond the conventional space-time of a single universe, such as into external pocket realities or parts of other universes, but that may not necessarily travel a universal distance.
They just have interdimensional range with whatever range their normal attack are.
 
The narration box mentions it has to do so through mental attacks and it can only possess people that are mind controlled. Normal people have also resisted looking at far, far more powerful demons. Its not a passive thing in my view but an active ability for that demon.
should have made clear there, it is passive Fear + Active Soul/Mind stuff

Empowered by negative acts is fine I guess. But it requires a rather large amount of negative acts
I will note some sort of Non-combat applicable there

His Dispel Bounds were power nulled here and more importantly you can quite easily brick through Dispel Bounds with a high enough AP difference.
Okay I traced back the chapter and yeh Void howling also nulled shields. But still, dispel bounds neutralize magic's existence and the fact that every high-tier beings are a powerful mass of magic should still grant them Resistance to Power Nullification, given they logically have to make contact with dispel bounds first in order to break them.

Replaced. Also that's the DKL, Augoeides don't have the same attribute.

:cry:

Killing a zombie in no way grants you Immortality negation
I thought that is literally type 7 Immortality.
Undead:
Characters who cannot die due to technically being already dead, often overlapping with other forms of immortality. This includes characters who can keep existing as spiritual entities upon dying.

Satan base tiering
Well, great reasoning there. I suggest going with Unknown, at least Planet Level then? Since his only feat was stomping base Form Uriel.

Satan Augoeides tiering
At first, I did take his prep time into consideration for tiering but seeing he has other statements to be at that level, I thought he could be solid 3A
Anyway, I prefer your suggestion. So maybe: At least Multi-Galaxy level (Massively larger than Uriel's Augoeides), likely Universe level (snip)

Key point here, the complete jewel has that power. Darsh is lacking the last piece of the jewel
well that's pretty neat. IG Unknown (far superior than any other demons excluding Satan) or just maybe around 4A then?

Speed Rating
I see...

The 7,000c only applies to their Travel Speed then.
Their Rage/Emotions amping is more likely refer to the power level/ energy only
Judas Pain Boost may work since it also amplifies senses/flexibility . High-rank angels/devils would scale Reaction Speed or sth as they were able to follow the whole fight between Majin DS and Uriel.

Those are no longer our standards for Stamina
All changes to Superhuman in base then

Gotta rework stats section soon

Agree with everything else
 
I thought that is literally type 7 Immortality
It is, but that form of Immortality does not require negation to beat.

Look at any profile involving people who kill zombies. Virtually none of them have Immortality negation.

So maybe: At least Multi-Galaxy level (Massively larger than Uriel's Augoeides), likely Universe level (snip)
I would add the galaxy Shaking feat, but yeah the reasoning is fine.

IG Unknown (far superior than any other demons excluding Satan) or just maybe around 4A then?
Either 4-A or 4-B due to being 1,000x Michael/Uriel's star destroying attacks.
 
Then how does a character get type 7 immortality negation
They usually don't. Its like Immortality type 1. Its a state of existence that leads to immortality that makes the user immune to certain abilities, but you don't need anything special to actually kill someone with that Immortality.
 
Pretty sure that netflix is closing his animations studies because well... you know the big fail of netflix
That's a shame, it seen to had potential.

Maybe we get lucky and some other streaming service (or an actual anime studios) buy the license and it still get produced.
 
That's a shame, it seen to had potential.

Maybe we get lucky and some other streaming service (or an actual anime studios) buy the license and it still get produced.
That's not true, nothing suggests they are not gonna animate it.

What he means is if they don't **** up the series.
 
I've finished adjusting the changes, mostly on the speed part (could have done earlier but well laziness(lol) and quantities of IRL stuff).

Gonna link references where essential when putting these updates on profiles
 
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Okay so there were some mistakes in my calculation regarding Uriel's 4B key. The 1000x boost itself isn't enough to immediately get to 4B from 4C if we take his 4C AP as baseline(22.77 Foe= 4000 x 136.066 Tenatons, approximately). I still think he should still be 4B Fallen base, here's why:

-He had another boost(Page 1-7) right after the 1000x one. Since he increased a considerable amount of energy simply by hating, the latter boost should be somewhat comparable to the 1st one (especially when he actually had a significant change visually)

-Therefore, I would propose clarification for his Base Fallen key to be like this: At least Large Star level (1000x more powerful than before), possibly Solar System level (Had a second boost which is comparable to the first one, as he seems to have released even more hatred, which is what lead to his increase in power).
 
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I thought the 4-B was going from DS, since he could absorb or negate a 1 Foe attack and then got the 1,000x amp on top of it.
 
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