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The Chaos Wave, if its the same one from Captain Britain, could be 2-A or even higher depending on interpretation. I mean... Wow.
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Base Jean Grey Revision
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As shown in a flash back of Wanda summoning the power, the Phoenix was able to compete to with it. That should mean the Phoenix is 2-A or higher. Thought it does not scale to users because users like Emma, Namor, and etc were having problems against planet to solar system level characters. When Hope finally got the Phoenix force, she was able to bring mutants back. I guess you can say its all connected.
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Guys we have discussed this before. The Phoenix is going to get a big revision. I had made a thread in the past and Matthew agreed.Kasyacarey said:
I want us here to focus on Base Jean Grey please. @The 2nd Existential Seed could you post the other feats you were saying. I will try find more feats for Jean.
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Hey, don't quote just a @ and I will know you're talking directly to me.
Also, lol I did say off topic. I was meaning to do a phoenix revsion myself after I had to school some people on the Jiren vs Jean Grey thread. I mean she should not be universal + for repairing nexus of all realities thee M'Kraan Crystal and competing with the Chaos wave.
On topic: She might get the Storm and Sue treament.
Edit: I'm seeing Gambit being 4-B and Jean, Storm, and Sue are stronger than him.
Storm was able channel magic strong enough to beat a dimension eater and heal a dimension, Sue was able to contain Black Bolt voice several times(and it was not a whisper), and Jean tk was shown powerful enough to keep Phoenix Emma together.
Also, lol I did say off topic. I was meaning to do a phoenix revsion myself after I had to school some people on the Jiren vs Jean Grey thread. I mean she should not be universal + for repairing nexus of all realities thee M'Kraan Crystal and competing with the Chaos wave.
On topic: She might get the Storm and Sue treament.
Edit: I'm seeing Gambit being 4-B and Jean, Storm, and Sue are stronger than him.
Storm was able channel magic strong enough to beat a dimension eater and heal a dimension, Sue was able to contain Black Bolt voice several times(and it was not a whisper), and Jean tk was shown powerful enough to keep Phoenix Emma together.
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Just found this... Krakoa was sky rocket into space by Jea. Is this a good feat?
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I don't think that feat is tier 4 because it's a good BFR feat.
Off topic- Reminds me of that time Storm powered polaris up to throw a island in space.
On topic- I think you should find more feats between tier 4 and 5 to prove she is that level. Also make sure it's not PIS because @ant was not feeling the gladiator part.
Off topic- Reminds me of that time Storm powered polaris up to throw a island in space.
On topic- I think you should find more feats between tier 4 and 5 to prove she is that level. Also make sure it's not PIS because @ant was not feeling the gladiator part.
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Idk I know everything is not PIS and Jean fought a much stronger Gladiator than Cannonball in her tk form. But if Jean gets an upgrade form it, then Sue should get an upgrade from containing Black Bolt voice with her shield several times or Storm getting an upgrade form harming tier 4 beings too.
If the feats are PIS still, they should all scale from Gambit, who defeated his New Sun counterpart, and they are way stronger than him.
If the feats are PIS still, they should all scale from Gambit, who defeated his New Sun counterpart, and they are way stronger than him.
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Even then Storm was manipulating magic from 4 planet level characters at the same time. Sue was shown to take on several tier 4 characters the same and even Doom Bot, that were hulk level in strength.
As I stated they should all Scale from Gambit, which would be more reliable since apparenly his rating was accepted for some reason.
As I stated they should all Scale from Gambit, which would be more reliable since apparenly his rating was accepted for some reason.
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Hopefully @ant would approve of this. But that does that mean a lot of people would have to do revisions? If so it would be too much and they would not count this.
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....So we're just talking about Base Jean right, cause I'm seeing a lot of stuff being thrown around with Storm and Sue.
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Yes, we're talking about base Jean. They have shown to be equal to her in power and produce similar feats with tier 4 characters, so if Jean gets 4-B upgrade then they should get it. Which is might not happened because no one agreed on Jean being 4-B yet. The only reliable thing to scale them off without being supposed PIS is Gambit being 4-B.
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I am lost.
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Okay, I'll explain it. It's been debated if base Jean without the phoenix should be tier 4. If that get accepted it would be a problem, characters like Storm and Sue have shown to match her in power and perfrom similar feats and aren't tier 4. They have harmed basically the same characters with their power and its been stated that most of it is PIS. What I am thinking is that they should scale from Gambit, since they trump him in power by a huge amount. 616 Gambit has never even operated near their power level. Maybe that would be more reliable, but the problem is that would that make a bunch of other characters be upgrade and I knew you and Ant are not in the mood for it.
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Well, the problem is that neither Jean, Storm, or even the Invisible Woman remotely have feats on that level, so it seems more like a case of Spider-Man versus Firelord plot-induced stupidity favourism from the writers than anything else.
However, it deoends on what Matthew thinks.
However, it deoends on what Matthew thinks.
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I disagree with 4-B Storm and Sue Storm.
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Well unlike Peter these girl have actually shown to affect tier 4 characters costistenly. This would not be the first time a herald got jobbered around look at Terrax.
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They have never demonstrated anywhere near that kind of power via feats alone, so it seems to be plot-induced stupidity/illogical favourism from the writers. I agree with Matthew, and would appreciate if you drop the subject. The staff do not have limitless time and energy.
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Well we still need to know what tier Jean gets. Also what makes Jean 4-B?
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And she was fighting a tier 4 character. What makes it different from Storm and Sue?
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Sue and Susan fought consistently against tier 5's more than tier 4's.
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So does Jean. In fact they all fight tier 5 and 4 just about equally. Like @ant said Jean is not getting a 4-B rating right off the back, so we can not even think that.
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So what kind of feats are we looking for? Physical, psychic barrier feats, or mental fuckery feats?
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TK would be the only AP Jean can get scaled off of. TP is not AP. Also I think we may can use Psi bolts feats, which directly harms the body and not just your mind.
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All she did was match the gladiator same as the other girls with their powers. Her keeping juggernaut in one place with her tk is more impressive. Gladitor power depends on his confidence.
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Well, the relevant feats seem to be striking away Gladiator and Thor, and holding the Juggernaut.
However, the Juggernaut did not seem interested in attempting to break free, so that is a meaingless feat, and Thor and Gladiator are frequently treated as far less powerful than their peaks.
However, the Juggernaut did not seem interested in attempting to break free, so that is a meaingless feat, and Thor and Gladiator are frequently treated as far less powerful than their peaks.
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Gladiator feat is not a good one. Nothing was stated about his confidence. Jean can not move in nanoseconds, so he could of easily blitzed.
You're right about Jugg, but I think she has harmed his before. I am not for certain...
Rachel beating Thor is PIS, but it could possibly be not PIS. Rachel is an omega level mutant too. Iceman, who is also one was able to give Thor hell, who should be immune to the elements hence the Storm not even omega level mutant like storm can affect him.
You're right about Jugg, but I think she has harmed his before. I am not for certain...
Rachel beating Thor is PIS, but it could possibly be not PIS. Rachel is an omega level mutant too. Iceman, who is also one was able to give Thor hell, who should be immune to the elements hence the Storm not even omega level mutant like storm can affect him.
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Well, I think they are gathering feats for her. I think her tk was strong enough to tank a full blast from Binary, who could tap into the white whole and was able to make a star in space.
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