Ban vs hashirama

[Rocker1189]

Hashirama's opening moves would be his wooden dragons and wooden golem, in which case they would easily be torn through by Ban if Hashirama doesnt die in such an opening (he has wooden clones and can use bringer of darkness to mess with Ban's senses) then he would use his other hax like the deity sealing gates which can hold 6-A's and his sleep manipulating pollen.

Actually, just at the begining of the Battle, Ban would turn into stone or a frog, due to trying to absorb Hashirama's Power and energy, which would also include natural energy, and Ban almost always starts with absorption in character.

This is a good point and very likely the case.

 

[Teezar]

I didn't vote though because Ban stomps Hashirama

Then I should get this closed cause it's a stomp match.

 

[Bernkastelll]

I guess I am going with Hashirama due the reasons above, but i will wait more imputs

 

[Teezar]

Hashirama's opening moves would be his wooden dragons and wooden golem, in which case they would easily be torn through by Ban if Hashirama doesnt die in such an opening (he has wooden clones and can use bringer of darkness to mess with Ban's senses) then he would use his other hax like the deity sealing gates which can hold 6-A's and his sleep manipulating pollen.


This is a good point and very likely the case.

I guess it's might not be a stomp,voting hashirama?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Does Post-Purgatory Ban still spam his Absorption/Snatch In-Character

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Hashirama could also manipulate Ban's will through sealing, locking Ban's will to escape from the seal

 

[Teezar]

Does Post-Purgatory Ban still spam his Absorption/Snatch In-Character

Nope. He just swings his arms and monsters begin to die(maybe he removes their hearts like fox hunt but much faster)
Plus he was using pure taijutsu against possessed demon king meliodas.

 

[Teezar]

Hashirama could also manipulate Ban's will through sealing, locking Ban's will to escape from the seal

Voting hashirama?

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Voting hashirama?

Yeah

 

[Rocker1189]

Yeah I am voting hashirama, Ban can easily one shot but hashirama just has the hax advantage and he doesnt typically fight in melee anyway.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Hashirama could also manipulate Ban's will through sealing, locking Ban's will to escape from the seal

Couldn't Ban just dodge or destroy it? It's just a wooden gate that falls on top of you and before any brings up Obito he was more or less brainless when it fell on him

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Couldn't Ban just dodge or destroy it? It's just a wooden gate that falls on top of you and before any brings up Obito he was more or less brainless when it fell on him

Ban wouldn't be willing to escape the seal, as his will would be already manipulated.

 

[Rocker1189]

Couldn't Ban just dodge or destroy it? It's just a wooden gate that falls on top of you and before any brings up Obito he was more or less brainless when it fell on him

The gates couldnt be destroyed by a BB created by a 6-A, Ban wont be capable of destroying them. And as said the head seal manipulates your will stopping you from wanting to escape anyway.

 

[Popted2]

Hashirama FRA

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

The gates couldnt be destroyed by a BB created by a 6-A,, Ban wont be capable of destroying them.

IIRC The Gates currently don't scale to 6-A, especially the small ones.

 

[Rocker1189]

IIRC The Gates currently don't scale to 6-A, especially the small ones.

I am pretty sure they should they have only ever been destroyed by someone much stronger in 6-A while explicitly tanking 6-A attacks. Not that it should matter due to the head seal. And even then there is the sleeping pollen as well.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

IIRC The Gates currently don't scale to 6-A, especially the small ones.

Doesn't matter, by the time Ban's will would be already manipulated.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Ban wouldn't be willing to escape the seal, as his will would be already manipulated.

Ummm... The Gates still have to fall on the target they don't spawn on target.

What if Ban decided to dodge or destroy it as it were falling?

 

[Rocker1189]

Ummm... The Gates still have to fall on the target they don't spawn on target.

What if Ban decided to dodge or destroy it as it were falling?

Again I dont think he can destroy them, he could attempt dodging I guess but there is also the dragon that drains energy. As well as the sleeping pollen.

 

[Ruphas_Mafahl123]

Again I dont think he can destroy them, he could attempt dodging I guess but there is also the dragon that drains energy. As well as the sleeping pollen.

True, this is most likely a Hax stomp

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

I am pretty sure they should they have only ever been destroyed by someone much stronger in 6-A while explicitly tanking 6-A attacks.

The big ones and the head maybe but not the little ones unless Blind Revived Madara is 6-A physically

 

[Rocker1189]

The big ones and the head maybe but not the little ones unless Blind Revived Madara is 6-A physically

Oh shit yeah he did destroy them I forgot. tbf though the head seal wasnt used then.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

but there is also the dragon that drains energy.

Which Ban can also destroy though

As well as the sleeping pollen.

This is legitimately Hashirama's only saving grace

 

[Rocker1189]

This is legitimately Hashirama's only saving grace

Its a darn good one though, and also dont forget the head seal that binds his will. I doubt he would be able to dodge so much anyway. With sage mode there is no way Ban would be able to hit Hashirama tbh (on top of wooden clones, and bringer of darkness) which is his only win con, the moment he attempts absorption he dooms himself.

 

[Teezar]

Waiting for more inputs.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

dont forget the head seal that binds his will.

Which requires to fall on top of a target and for the target to not react or notice the falling gate.

I doubt he would be able to dodge so much anyway.

He could destroy the small ones though and dodge the big ones.

With sage mode there is no way Ban would be able to hit Hashirama tbh (on too of wooden clones,

I don't think that would be a problem with Post Purgatory Ban's range and standard equipment

Hundreds of kilometers with Courechouse (Killed Baby Induras across all of Brittania)

and bringer of darkness

It just removes an opponent's vision, Ban's other senses would still be fine

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Sealing Gates can...just be dodged? And genjutsu working is arguable as Ban should have Mind Hax and Soul Hax resistance. To be fair the Bringer of Darkness does work against the Sharingan which has insane Mind Hax resistance as well.

Plus Ban doesn't even need his 5 senses because in purgatory, they are completely shut off with only your sixth sense operating iirc and he was able to fight completely fine against the DK.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

unless Blind Revived Madara is 6-A physically

The Gates spawn in proportion to their targets, so the stronger and bigger they are, the bigger and stronger the gates spawned. So Madara breaking the gates that were binding him only means that Alive Madara is physically superior to Edo Madara, which we already know to be true. It has nothing to do with him being 6-A.

Anyway, voting BIG TREE MUSCLES FRA.

 

[Rocker1189]

Which requires to fall on top of a target and for the target to not react or notice the falling gate.

Yeah and they worked on someone like Madara, even with his senses and his sharingan.

He could destroy the small ones though and dodge the big ones.

The big ones are big for a reason I doubt he would be capable of escaping them entirely again they hit Madara of all people, they are very obviously really fast.

It just removes an opponent's vision, Ban's other senses would still be fine

Yeah his other senses would be fine but without sight its still a big nerf to his perception, its not like Ban has actually been shown to fight very well without sight (unless I am missing something).

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

I think I'll vote for Ban considering the points. All the tree stuff will get destroyed plus none of you considered Ban's hax. Ban can literally steal most of Hashirama's energy for himself for a limited amount of time within a range of several hundred metres.

 

[Rocker1189]

I think I'll vote for Ban considering the points. All the tree stuff will get destroyed plus none of you considered Ban's hax. Ban can literally steal most of Hashirama's energy for himself for a limited amount of time.

Sleeping pollen, and if he steals energy he gets turned into stone due to not knowing how to control natural energy.

 

[Teezar]

Sealing Gates can...just be dodged? And genjutsu working is arguable as Ban should have Mind Hax and Soul Hax resistance. To be fair the Bringer of Darkness does work against the Sharingan which has insane Mind Hax resistance as well.

Plus Ban doesn't even need his 5 senses because in purgatory, they are completely shut off with only your sixth sense operating iirc and he was able to fight completely fine against the DK.

Voting ban?

 

[Teezar]

The Gates spawn in proportion to their targets, so the stronger and bigger they are, the bigger and stronger the gates spawned. So Madara breaking the gates that were binding him only means that Alive Madara is physically superior to Edo Madara, which we already know to be true. It has nothing to do with him being 6-A.

Anyway, voting BIG TREE MUSCLES FRA.

Hashirama or ban?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

they hit Madara of all people, they are very obviously really fast.

Before being pinned by a gate Madara was pinned by Hashirama's Wood Dragon then and hit by SM Naruto's Rasenshuriken which Hashirama capitalized on

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Sleeping pollen, and if he steals energy he gets turned into stone due to not knowing how to control natural energy.

Ban could probably adapt to the pollon similar to how he adapted to the intense poisonous toxicity and atmosphere of purgatory. He doesn't absorb energy in that fashion, he steals your physical "strength" itself rather than anything else.

 

[Teezar]

Seems most hashirama haxes have been countered except sleep manipulation.
Interesting,I'm learning from you guys.

 

[Rocker1189]

Ban could probably adapt to the pollon similar to how he adapted to the intense poisonous toxicity and atmosphere of purgatory.

Thats a big ass NLF, adapting to one thing in an unknown time frame doesnt mean you can adapt to another thing quickly enough in a match.

He doesn't absorb energy in that fashion, he steals your physical "strength" itself rather than anything else.

Hashirama's physical strength in sage mode comes from natural energy else Ban wont be absorbing anything.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Thats a big ass NLF, adapting to one thing in an unknown time frame doesnt mean you can adapt to another thing quickly enough in a match.

Actually this point doesn't matter since it's Post-Purgatory Ban anyway nvm

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

So Hashirama has the toxic pollen, how does he counter Snatch, which takes all his organs out from a distance. Or what about Zero Sign, he literally become undetecable even by the Commandments who have sensory abilities over hundred of miles.

 

[Rocker1189]

So Hashirama has the toxic pollen, how does he counter Snatch, which takes all his organs out.

Isnt hashirama Edo here?