BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Hellscream]

Do not.

 

[Soulking22334]

Do not.

nah i am not braindead it was a joke

 

[Apotheosis69]

who both ichigo and mimihagi traveled this distance

Again... .29 c is not for travel speed as there is no Feat of that

 

[NeonTxme]

Again... .29 c is not for travel speed as there is no Feat of that

How about using Ichibei and Tenjiro

Ichibei was able to cover the distance between him and Yhwach after using Senri Tsutesho which sent the latter 4000km away while only using a single shunpo.

Tenjirou is also a shunpo master and blitzed Soi Fon, same person who stated the 7 days timeframe and yet, he was shocked at Ichigo for claiming he's going to get there in half a day.

 

[Apotheosis69]

I guess one can calc Ichibe travelling 1000 Li in whatever time frame the Anime is. And could use that as travelling speed for True Shikai Ichigo since they are comparable

 

[Soulking22334]

I guess one can calc Ichibe travelling 1000 Li in whatever time frame the Anime is. And could use that as travelling speed for True Shikai Ichigo since they are comparable

its like 130 billion m

 

[Soulking22334]

Again... .29 c is not for travel speed as there is no Feat of that

he is using flash step in both travel and combat , how that's not considered

 

[NeonTxme]

I guess one can calc Ichibe travelling 1000 Li in whatever time frame the Anime is. And could use that as travelling speed for True Shikai Ichigo since they are comparable

also we can use Ichigo shunpoing across Seireitei after breaking through the Jail in first invasion, definitely a lower-end but still applicable

 

[Soulking22334]

I guess one can calc Ichibe travelling 1000 Li in whatever time frame the Anime is. And could use that as travelling speed for True Shikai Ichigo since they are comparable

1000ri = 3927 x 33000 sec = 130.78 billion m

using ichibe 1000ri feat calc (0.2965 c ): 2.96 trillion m

is it legit??

 

[Soulking22334]

Tenjirou is also a shunpo master and blitzed Soi Fon, same person who stated the 7 days timeframe and yet, he was shocked at Ichigo for claiming he's going to get there in half a day.

0.2965 c x 7d = 53.76 trillion m

and will make ichigo's 9h+15 min feat 5c

 

[Infinite9Luck]

I guess one can calc Ichibe travelling 1000 Li in whatever time frame the Anime is. And could use that as travelling speed for True Shikai Ichigo since they are comparable

It would still be calc stacking according to the wiki's rules.

Not that I agree with those rules, since they're arbitrary and have no objective basis; they're simply the accepted standard.

For a manga like Bleach, where characters are constantly blitzing one another, it's a huge nerf because the author never explicitly states their exact speed.

For example, it can be objectively argued that Ichigo shunpo is at least at the speed of sound. Therefore, those seven days would cover a massive distance. It is also narratively consistent, unless you think Kubo believes Ichigo can't even reach Mach 1, which would be quite hilarious.

The wiki now assume Ichigo Shunpo is 34 m/s which is x3 a human running. (and even with human running speed over 7 days you get still a massive distance btw, which just show how Kubo doesn't even believe the SK palace is at 50 km above earth crust)

 

[Soulking22334]

It would still be calc stacking according to the wiki's rules.

how so???

 

[NeonTxme]

1000ri = 3927 x 33000 sec = 130.78 billion m

using ichibe 1000ri feat calc (0.2965 c ): 2.96 trillion m

is it legit??

Ichibei knocked Yhwach 1000Ri (3927km) away at 00:08 and caught up to him at 00:12 using a single shumpo.

Using 4 seconds as our timeframe:
V=D/T→V=3,927,000/4=981,750m/s

Converting to other units:
981.75 km/s
‭3,534,300 km/h
Mach 2,884

The Squad Zero see the need for Ichigo to use their staircase which conveniently takes him up to 7 Days while using Shunpos.
7 × 24 × 3600 = 604,800 s

981,750 m/s × 604,800 s = 593,762,400,000 m
593,762,400,000 m = 593,762,400 km ≈ 4 AU

Ichigo crosses the distance in half a day while free-falling:
timeframe: 12 h = ‭43,200 s
593,762,400,000 / 43,200 = 13,744,500 m/s or 0.0458c

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Ichibei knocked Yhwach 1000Ri (3927km) away at 00:08 and caught up to him at 00:12 using a single shumpo.

Using 4 seconds as our timeframe:
V=D/T→V=3,927,000/4=981,750m/s

Converting to other units:
981.75 km/s
‭3,534,300 km/h
Mach 2,884

The Squad Zero see the need for Ichigo to use their staircase which conveniently takes him up to 7 Days while using Shunpos.
7 × 24 × 3600 = 604,800 s

981,750 m/s × 604,800 s = 593,762,400,000 m
593,762,400,000 m = 593,762,400 km ≈ 4 AU

Ichigo crosses the distance in half a day while free-falling:
timeframe: 12 h = ‭43,200 s
593,762,400,000 / 43,200 = 13,744,500 m/s or 0.0458c

It would never get accepted. I'm not sure why you guys are even wasting your time with this.

You might as well argue for the Grimmjow lightning-speed statement and use that instead. 1) It makes more sense, and 2) it wouldn't be calc stacking.

Making your life difficult by trying to derive Ichibei's speed and use it to calculate the distance will never get accepted.

 

[NeonTxme]

It would still be calc stacking according to the wiki's rules.

Hmmm...

Using a reliable stated timeframe and reliably stated speed something travels during that timeframe one can calculate the distance travelled. Said distance can then usually be used for calculations.

We know Base Ichibei's shunpo speeds, we know Tenjirou is a reliable source and someone who's notably a shunpo-master, they both trained Ichigo in the Reioyku, despite that the method of transportation they mentioned—which involved shunpos—was stated to take up-to-a week.

I don't think it would be flagged under anything?

 

[Soulking22334]

Grimmjow lightning-speed statement

huh???? can you post it??

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Hmmm...

We know Base Ichibei's shunpo speeds, we know Tenjirou is a reliable source and someone who's notably a shunpo-master, they both trained Ichigo in the Reioyku, despite that the method of transportation they mentioned—which involved shunpos—was stated to take up-to-a week.

I don't think it would be flagged under anything?

That does not say what you mean, non one even disagree with that, have you ever even read a thread where it got downgraded?
Otherwise it is pretty much useless argue.

No one disagree about the shunpo and the 7 days, the problem is that you need a statement or a scaling over a statement, for the speed not another calc.

 

[NeonTxme]

You might as well argue for the Grimmjow lightning-speed statement and use that instead. 1) It makes more sense, and 2) it wouldn't be calc stacking.

Grimmjow was already debunked, so re-using it would be pointless + might contradict one or two conditions in the wiki since it's a long leap of logic.

Ichibei and the rest of Squad Zero are knowledgeable enough to be taken at face value, they also show convenient feats on-screen with specific timeframes, so why not use them?

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Grimmjow was already debunked, so re-using it would be pointless + might contradict one or two conditions in the wiki since it's a long leap of logic.

Ichibei and the rest of Squad Zero are knowledgeable enough to be taken at face value, they also show convenient feats on-screen with specific timeframes, so why not use them?

Grimmjow was not debunked at all, mind you share the debunk?

You don't know what calc-stacking is.

 

[NeonTxme]

Grimmjow was not debunked at all, mind you share the debunk?

You don't know what calc-stacking is.

Whatever you say Ig.

Grimm was noted to move like lightning due to having a zig-zag pattern, it was established in one of Leona's threads I believe, it was used before for the distance calcs which are now down to the depths of the ocean.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Whatever you say Ig.

If you don't believe me, post it and see it, I'm just trying to not waste your time.
Simply by rules, you can't use another calc, to calculate another calc, that's pretty much it.
So you need a statements or something equiparable to try to calculate the distance.
What you are doing is using (Ichibei Calc) and put it to another calc (The distance).
Which will get rejected in 1s.

You can think of other methods.

Grimm was noted to move like lightning due to having a zig-zag pattern, it was established in one of Leona's threads I believe, it was used before for the distance calcs which are now down to the depths of the ocean.

And you really believe grimmjow statement means he's going Zig-Zag?

That thread went on, because no one argued against it, It doesn't mean it is the truth.

If no one argued against the 50km distance, it would have get accepted as well.

 

[Soulking22334]

And you really believe grimmjow statement means he's going Zig-Zag?

can you show me the scan??

 

[NeonTxme]

If you don't believe me, post it and see it, I'm just trying to not waste your time.

I'd understand, sorry if my tone seemed off

And you really believe grimmjow statement means he's going Zig-Zag?

Not really, but seeing it's treated as such I wouldn't rely on it.

 

[Soulking22334]

this??

 

[NeonTxme]

can you show me the scan??

I believe it's from CFYOW where Ginjo praised Grimm's speed but called Candice lightning bolts pathetic or smth, there's also another one with Tokinada which mentioned he's moving at Lightning speed.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

can you show me the scan??

I'd understand, sorry if my tone seemed off

Not really, but seeing it's treated as such I wouldn't rely on it.

No worries.

This is CFYOW statement.

Japanese:

そこから現れた白い影は、それこそキャンディスの雷光の如き勢いでその身を尸魂界の中に躍らせた。
The white shadow that appeared from there leapt into the Soul Society with momentum just like Candice’s lightning

雷光の如き勢いで literally means “with momentum/speed like a flash of lightning.” It clearly compares the movement’s rapidity to Candice’s lightning

The japanese Blatantly states that he is moving at lightning speed. The Zig-Zag argument is honestly headcanon.

So the OP that tried to debunk, was just downplaying it.

Ichigo is faster than Grimmjow with a stated speed, hence how you get an accurate SK palace distance, with no blatant downplay.

 

[Soulking22334]

this??

this was not debunked or anthing

 

[Soulking22334]

Ichigo is faster than Grimmjow with a stated speed, hence how you get an accurate SK palace distance

can you calc it???

 

[NeonTxme]

Ichigo is faster than Grimmjow with a stated speed

Ichigo himself was also mentioned to be "As fast as lightning" with "Fastest Bankai Fighting speed" in SOULs as well.

 

[Soulking22334]

Ichigo himself was also mentioned to be "As fast as lightning" with "Fastest Bankai Fighting speed" in SOULs as well.

ss ichigo?

 

[NeonTxme]

ss ichigo?

ye, sent the scan in your dms

 

[Torsin]

No worries.

You should probably get the raws translated by the site translator as well.

 

[AppleLord]

Lol , That was as a result of Gift Ring, Urahara isn't even a Quincy

Are you Kubo? Gift Ring? Huh, could be... but why would it give him double pupils in the opposite eye that wasn't even hit with the "ring" in the first place? And why did his eyes look different when he was hit with the ring, and became like this "briefly" after he released Bankai?

 

[Apotheosis69]

It would still be calc stacking according to the wiki's rules.

Not that I agree with those rules, since they're arbitrary and have no objective basis; they're simply the accepted standard.

Damn. Didnt think of that. Sucks

 

[PizzaDante67]

It would still be calc stacking according to the wiki's rules.

I was just about to say. Using a speed rating from one calc and applying it to a character for another calc IS calc stacking.

 

[Mommyleona]

Interesting