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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Would the soul king, yhwach and ichigo potentially qualify for infinite stamina? I mean the soul king's reiatsu even in his weakened half dead state has been keeping the realms separated for millions of years now.
 
Torsin said:
Would the soul king, yhwach and ichigo potentially qualify for infinite stamina? I mean the soul king's reiatsu even in his weakened half dead state has been keeping the realms separated for millions of years now.
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That only proves that the Soul King has an extremely large amount of reiatsu
 
DeathberrySama said:
How do you know? Do you have access to the other cards?
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The other two are about uryu and kisukes bankai. Uryu one i don't have since i got to the movie late. Kisukes bankai got a upscale. It can reshape anything and alter their properties even special barriers like askin's.

Yhwach can seemingly look into the past he saw ichigo in the garganta kyogoku and he also sees his quincy die
 
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Dark_Shadow-34513 said:
That only proves that the Soul King has an extremely large amount of reiatsu
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I mean the assumption is that the existing split universal structure would be held for eternity with his reiatsu. Nowhere does Ichibei or any other knowledgeable character indicate that the weakened soul king would run out of power and that they need to replace him. It isn't shown as a problem at all which means they believe his reiatsu is enough to maintain the current structure indefinitely unless proven otherwise which I am prone to believe given it has been maintained for at the least million years already.
 
Soulking22334 said:
???? elaborate pls
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at the start of ep1, yhwach activates almighty and sees numerous things happening, like the schutzstaffel kneeling to him in the throne room, pernida's reveal, lille's vs, bazz's death, jugram walking towards uryu, ichigo running up the steps to the throne room, and ichigo and the gang arriving to the palace in the kyogoku
 
Torsin said:
I mean the assumption is that the existing split universal structure would be held for eternity with his reiatsu. Nowhere does Ichibei or any other knowledgeable character indicate that the weakened soul king would run out of power and that they need to replace him. It isn't shown as a problem at all which means they believe his reiatsu is enough to maintain the current structure indefinitely unless proven otherwise which I am prone to believe given it has been maintained for at the least million years already.
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Not to mention the Hogyoku gives Aizen infinite stamina while also having a piece of the Soul King in it. If one piece (lol) of the SK grants infinite stamina, and if the 1 HP SK can keep the cosmology afloat for millions of years, it should make sense that he just has infinite stamina
 
PizzaDante67 said:
can someone tell me where exactly the anime debunks the idea of Yhwach trying to destroy the realms by destabilizing the soul cycle?
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Reio got killed and caused quakes across the realms. Squad 12 checks the soul numbers and says theirs nothing wrong with it. Then kisuke says it has nothing to do with souls and that the reio has been killed. Yhwach absorbs reio and the world's stop shaking. Yhwach in cour 4 stated he is now the world itself and killing him would be killing the world.

Yhwach could have ended the world at that time of he wanted instead he choose to keep realms going for bit. Probably to create his own world
 
ichimojii said:
Reio got killed and caused quakes across the realms. Squad 12 checks the soul numbers and says theirs nothing wrong with it. Then kisuke says it has nothing to do with souls and that the reio has been killed. Yhwach absorbs reio and the world's stop shaking. Yhwach in cour 4 stated he is now the world itself and killing him would be killing the world.

Yhwach could have ended the world at that time of he wanted instead he choose to keep realms going for bit. Probably to create his own world
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I saw the clip of Urahara linking the trembling to the soul king but nowhere did i find Squad 12 checking the numbers. Could you send me the scene?
 
PizzaDante67 said:
I saw the clip of Urahara linking the trembling to the soul king but nowhere did i find Squad 12 checking the numbers. Could you send me the scene?
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cour 3, ep 4, just after uryu activates vs
H: "The Sutra Scale readings on the border intensity level have become unstable."
A: "Could it be the Hollows again?"
H: "No, I'm seeing no increase or decrease in their numbers."
A: "Then what's causing it?"
K: "It isn't an issue with the balance of souls between the Three Worlds. What we should be focusing on instead is... (looks over at Ukitake's body) I've heard that the Soul King's right arm controls stillness."
A: "Stillness? Are you saying that power is what's keeping the Three Worlds together?"
K: "Although he became one with Mimihagi via Kamikake, this power is fueled by Mr. Ukitake's own life. Stabilizing the world in place of the Soul King would tax it immeasurably."
 
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Soulking22334 said:
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NotcreativewithnamesRE said:
u/heckthiscrapimout - test

u/heckthiscrapimout - test

u/heckthiscrapimout - test 2

all the keycards
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hAschwAlth (ハッシュヴァルト)


#43 — Blood for My Bone

Entrusted with “Omniscience and Omnipotence (The Almighty)” from the sleeping Yhwach, Haschwalth releases that power and becomes his vessel. Yhwach’s power, overflowing from his eyeballs, possesses Haschwalth’s body and transforms even his appearance. That immense power affects even his mind—so much so that he comes to display an aggressive attitude and manner of speech that would be unimaginable from his usual calm and composed demeanor.
 
Torsin said:
Any clue what the uryu title card states?
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used ai to see if there's anything new and not really, but i'll paste what i got anyways

The last Quincy. Following the outbreak of the war between the Invisible Empire and the 13 Court Guard Squad, he joined Yhwach’s army, underwent the blood cup ritual, and was granted the power of the Schrift "A." Though he found himself in opposition to Ichigo Kurosaki and the Soul Reapers, his true intention was always to defeat Yhwach.

Having discovered the meaning behind the "Auswahlen" (Holy Selection) from nine years ago and the secret of Yhwach's "True World" recorded in the journal left by his master and grandfather, Soken Ishida—he chose to shoulder it all alone and approach Yhwach to protect his friends. Now that his true heart has been revealed, he joins Ichigo Kurosaki and the others to face the final battle and save the world.
 
Q: How come Lille was able to come back in a weird form despite being decapitated and dismembered?

Kubo: Lille is the oldest Quincy to have received Yhwach’s power and has never once lost it since then. For that reason, because the power inside of him had grown excessively, it had started to change his body into something more than human.

So implications that 3rd Form Volstandig Lille was transcendent like Aizen? Like this part along with how the Unmasked guidebook describes Aizen as a 使者(Shisha) Messenger/Emissary of God just like Lille claims about himself does make it sound like Lille has or was becoming transcendent in his final form. And the Shinken Hakkyoken being stated to reflect the power of god and Nanao confirming that Lille has the power of god does also support the idea that Lille has seemingly reached god level (transcendent status) in his final form.



神の高みへ
藍染は霊王になり代わり、新しい世界を創造する。その崇高な目的を果たす"使者”として、自分は神の域にある存在という意識が芽生えた。

Towards the Heights of God
Aizen wanted to become the Soul King, and create a new world. As the "emissary" to accomplish that sublime goal, his awareness sprouted of that existence, a being that exists on the level of God.
~ Arc

Always felt like Lille was probably transcendent due to the Unmasked description for transcendent Aizen being way too similar to what Lille said and now Kubo drops this new Q&A which seems to further support this idea.
 
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Soulking22334 said:
transcending lille????
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Peter1129 said:
Q: How come Lille was able to come back in a weird form despite being decapitated and dismembered?

Kubo: Lille is the oldest Quincy to have received Yhwach’s power and has never once lost it since then. For that reason, because the power inside of him had grown excessively, it had started to change his body into something more than human.

So implications that 3rd Form Volstandig Lille was transcendent like Aizen? Like this part along with how the Unmasked guidebook describes Aizen as a 使者(Shisha) Messenger/Emissary of God just like Lille claims about himself does make it sound like Lille has or was becoming transcendent in his final form. And the Shinken Hakkyoken being stated to reflect the power of god and Nanao confirming that Lille has the power of god does also support the idea that Lille has seemingly reached god level (transcendent status) in his final form.



神の高みへ
藍染は霊王になり代わり、新しい世界を創造する。その崇高な目的を果たす"使者”として、自分は神の域にある存在という意識が芽生えた。

Towards the Heights of God
Aizen wanted to become the Soul King, and create a new world. As the "emissary" to accomplish that sublime goal, his awareness sprouted of that existence, a being that exists on the level of God.
~ Arc

Always felt like Lille was probably transcendent due to the Unmasked description for transcendent Aizen being way too similar to what Lille said and now Kubo drops this new Q&A which seems to further support this idea.
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Isn't this simply about its power creating a new self?

I think you've misunderstood Lille Barro's character. Lille attributes titles to himself to make himself look good, and he constantly uses them. Shunsui, Lille's opponent and the character he fights against in the story, never mentions his own titles to make himself look good. After realizing that Lille Barro underestimated him and gaining the upper hand, he said, "You don't know who you're dealing with. I am Kyoraku Shunsui, the chief commander of Gotei 13." The main point here is that the character acts like Lille, emphasizing his own title. But is Lille really God's messenger? I don't think so, because if you remember, he said God's messenger is never caught off guard three times. But he was caught off guard three times. He even took off his blindfold to avoid being caught off guard a third time. If you pay attention to his demeanor in front of Kira, you'll see that he never mentions his own titles. Because he realized he could no longer carry the weight of the titles he used to portray himself as good. This is one of the reasons for his weakening.

Besides all that, Lille Barro is already at Shunsui's level in terms of reiatsu. SAFWY Zaraki is strong enough to cast reiatsu neg on Shunsui. Even weaker than the form he used to fight Unohana. This shows that Lille Barro isn't transcendent.
 
Peter1129 said:
Always felt like Lille was probably transcendent due to the Unmasked description for transcendent Aizen being way too similar to what Lille said and now Kubo drops this new Q&A which seems to further support this idea.
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did yhwach killed him before the final battle??
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Isn't this simply about its power creating a new self?

I think you've misunderstood Lille Barro's character. Lille attributes titles to himself to make himself look good, and he constantly uses them. Shunsui, Lille's opponent and the character he fights against in the story, never mentions his own titles to make himself look good. After realizing that Lille Barro underestimated him and gaining the upper hand, he said, "You don't know who you're dealing with. I am Kyoraku Shunsui, the chief commander of Gotei 13." The main point here is that the character acts like Lille, emphasizing his own title. But is Lille really God's messenger? I don't think so, because if you remember, he said God's messenger is never caught off guard three times. But he was caught off guard three times. He even took off his blindfold to avoid being caught off guard a third time. If you pay attention to his demeanor in front of Kira, you'll see that he never mentions his own titles. Because he realized he could no longer carry the weight of the titles he used to portray himself as good. This is one of the reasons for his weakening.

Besides all that, Lille Barro is already at Shunsui's level in terms of reiatsu. SAFWY Zaraki is strong enough to cast reiatsu neg on Shunsui. Even weaker than the form he used to fight Unohana. This shows that Lille Barro isn't transcendent.
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I’m talking about Final Form Lille (The Golden Winged Owl form) which has no scaling outside of being massively beyond all his previous forms in power. Not his previous forms that have clear scaling to Shunsui. This new Q&A from Kubo is also about how Lille’s evolving beyond human only after his head got cut off which is referring to his final form.
 
Peter1129 said:
I’m talking about Final Form Lille (The Golden Winged Owl form) which has no scaling outside of being massively beyond all his previous forms in power. Not his previous forms that have clear scaling to Shunsui. This new Q&A from Kubo is also about how Lille’s evolving beyond human only after his head got cut off which is referring to his final form.
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Was it stated that the final form was stronger than the previous forms? I consider the final form weaker than the previous ones due to anti-feats like being cut by Kira, and the fact that Injured Shunsui and Nanao could react.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Was it stated that the final form was stronger than the previous forms? I consider the final form weaker than the previous ones due to anti-feats like being cut by Kira, and the fact that Injured Shunsui and Nanao could react.
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His weakened form is not his final form. Also how in the world do you see 3rd Form Lille throwing out aoe blasts of X-Axis far larger than any of his previous forms and claim he’s weaker than before…
 
Peter1129 said:
His weakened form is not his final form. Also how in the world do you see 3rd Form Lille throwing out aoe blasts of X-Axis far larger than any of his previous forms and claim he’s weaker than before…
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I explained the reason. Kira, Nanao, and Wounded Shunsui all have counter-feats. Just because the attack's area of effect is larger doesn't necessarily mean it will be more powerful.
 
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