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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Well, think about it on principle.
If you can't outspeed Dragon Ball Super Goku who was tagged by regular bullets, are you really fast?
Obviously not, as that would mean an average farmer with a gun could blitz you with their gun and win (assuming they have the AP advantage).
Therefore, any character that is slower than MTFL+ (302.72 Undecillion c) is clearly, undeniably, slow.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
not ftl =/= unimpressive speed showing, scaling got so inflated people think if they're not ftl they're auto garbage which just isn't true
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I agree with this. It's just like bodybuilding. People look at posts from steroid-using bodybuilders and think everyone should have bodies as big as those steroid-using bodybuilders, and that anyone below that level is a "zargana" (a Turkish term for a very skinny fish, used to describe thin athletes). Whereas, before social media became so popular and people didn't even know what steroids were, they praised any average, natural physique.

Another reason why people believe the characters in Bleach have incredibly high speeds is because in the early 2020s, some Instagram and TikTok scalers said things like, "Even Soul Society's Ichigo has MFTL+ calc." I can't find the posts mentioning calc because they've been deleted, but there was also a post from the same guy saying Las Noches was as big as a star, and he stated that the calc was incorrect and that he got it from someone else. Since no one refuted the calc in his post, he didn't delete it.

As mentioned above, speed doesn't matter much when the speed is evenly matched in matches. Shinigami and Arrancar also have passive Soul Crush, so speed isn't crucial against most characters.
 
I don‘t understand the urge for some people getting Bleach characters to FTL early on in the series.

Me personally, i only see the absolute God Tiers reaching these Mftl+ speed ratings and thats it. I also don’t think that FTL Bleach, pre Tybw (exempt maybeeee Ichigo and Aizen), makes much sense to begin with.

But i also can‘t stand people downplaying the hell out of their speed and claiming that they barely reach Supersonic or Hypersonic. 2020 was a dark year for Bleach powerscaling on social media💔
 
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Giselle Gewelle Downgrade

This should be clear enough. In CFYOW, it was stated that Giselle couldn't turn Captain-level power-possessed individuals into zombies. If you ask how she could turn Kensei and Rojuro into zombies, it's because they were already severely injured and killed by Mask de Masculine. Even if Toshiro...
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(Some) anime fans have this fetish where they can say “my verse’s non god tiers slam your verse’s god tiers”



That’s where it starts, it’s pure brainrot where they try to be as high as possible instead of as accurate as possible
 
Being above non modulo jjk is cake walk for bleach

Demon slayer got upgraded to Rel levels, only way bleach goes higher is if you smite Kny down
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Being above non modulo jjk is cake walk for bleach
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gege will slime out that modulo speed scaling too
Ghostimuscrime said:
Demon slayer got upgraded to Rel levels, only way bleach goes higher is if you smite Kny down
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deadass idk whats that super mega downgrade supposed to be, like it was promised 3000y ago atp
Anyway assuming bleach speed gets reworked whats the highest cap for the verse?
 
PedjaTarzan said:
gege will slime out that modulo speed scaling too
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Not ridiculous to say, some verses’s biggest bully in powerscaling is their own author
PedjaTarzan said:
deadass idk whats that super mega downgrade supposed to be, like it was promised 3000y ago atp
Anyway assuming bleach speed gets reworked whats the highest cap for the verse?
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Subrel~Rel now that the standards prohibit the current scale from being valid
 
also bleach (god tiers) do not have a speed cap, they have a range they can be scaled to before losing consistency but nothing explicitly forbids them from entering ftl, mftl, infinite (unless you think abiding by theory of relativity means nothing can be faster than light)
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
also bleach (god tiers) do not have a speed cap, they have a range they can be scaled to before losing consistency but nothing explicitly forbids them from entering ftl, mftl, infinite (unless you think abiding by theory of relativity means nothing can be faster than light)
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the only thing infinite speed is an ability no one scales to in speed anyways
 
Senjumaru's feat isn't accepted as solar system level? It's kind of strange that nobody calculated the speed.
 
KingTempest said:
speed of what?
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speed of senjumaru shaking the 3 realms, which idk whats there to calc consirering the context it feels like range, but assuming shaking starts from royal palace across 3 universes it would be some absurdly high levels of mftl im not even sure if its ever usable
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
demon slayer is wanked to unfathomable degrees on this wiki
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personally don't care if they wanna have isolated glaze but lotta these low tier verses have been getting too comfortable tryna pit em up against the big boys, it's starting to pmo
PedjaTarzan said:
speed of senjumaru shaking the 3 realms, which idk whats there to calc consirering the context it feels like range, but assuming shaking starts from royal palace across 3 universes it would be some absurdly high levels of mftl im not even sure if its ever usable
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yeah it won't, the way it violates ISL makes me think it's not an omnidirectional expansion, add to the fact that the realms are in different planes and not different universes existing in the same physical domain (since we know they're constantly trying to come together and have differing physical composition) means the 3x universal distances can't even be used as it goes against how the cosmology's structure works
PedjaTarzan said:
i mean sometimes its good to make series consistent but gege just be saying anything

what standards?
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Calc Stacking Rules, there was a staff calc thread recently about changing them and they got updated a while ago
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
yeah it won't, the way it violates ISL makes me think it's not an omnidirectional expansion, add to the fact that the realms are in different planes and not different universes existing in the same physical domain (since we know they're constantly trying to come together and have differing physical composition) means the 3x universal distances can't even be used as it goes against how the cosmology's structure works
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ISL is not used in the feat, nor is it necessary.
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Bleach: Senjumaru shakes 3 realms

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Currently, it's accepted as uniform shaking across three finite universes, so yes, the velocity can be calculated in the same way that the mass of one universe was multiplied by three; you just need to multiply the size of one universe by three.
 
I didn't say it uses ISL

I said it violates ISL assumptions, which is also the reason that calc you're showing utilises uniform shaking instead of the previously used 4-A calc, you can't really claim "hey this thing spreads from the epicenter" if it's showings blatantly contradict that idea, not to mention these realms don't exist in the same physical plane, you can't reach soul society from WOL via a space ship even if you traverse a universal diameter, the cosmology just isn't made like that
 
Lynieryz said:
The time it took for her to affect all three dimensions upon breaking free from the seal.
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PedjaTarzan said:
speed of senjumaru shaking the 3 realms, which idk whats there to calc consirering the context it feels like range, but assuming shaking starts from royal palace across 3 universes it would be some absurdly high levels of mftl im not even sure if its ever usable
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This is dependent on if you consider something like a shockwave that spread out, but they all started shaking uniformly and at the same speeds.

Their powers seemed linked to the cosmology. If they try too hard then the cosmology acts, It is scaleable to their power but it's not something speed related
 
The best speed feat we've seen on TYBW is Kyoraku escaping Lille's light attack while lying wounded on the ground. But that hasn't been calced yet.
 
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KingTempest said:
This is dependent on if you consider something like a shockwave that spread out, but they all started shaking uniformly and at the same speeds.

Their powers seemed linked to the cosmology. If they try too hard then the cosmology acts, It is scaleable to their power but it's not something speed related
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Wasnt there something stating that a shockwave of spiritual pressure was felt from the soul society, all the way to the wotl?

Or do we just don’t accept that.
 
Cour 4 ending leak…

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What? Wandenreich bills need to be pay after losing a war. 🤷
 
Honestly, given we have a direct statement from CFYOW that Grimmjow moves as fast a one of Candice’s bolts of lightning. I fail to see how using that for Ichigo’s speed as a lowball when we’re even given a direct timeframe is somehow calc stacking. There’s literally no calc’s involved. The original calc of Ichigo moving at lightning speed for the 9 hours he took to get there seems like the most accurate imo
 
Question: Yhwach’s age in his profile is not accurate?

We saw that Yhwach existed in the Primordial Sea before the realms creations and was the first to be sent into the reincarnation cycle by the Soul King Adnyeus.
 
Probably best to wait for Cour 4 to possibly clarify that?
Since it might go into more detail on Yhwach's past.
 
SilentBob34 said:
Honestly, given we have a direct statement from CFYOW that Grimmjow moves as fast a one of Candice’s bolts of lightning. I fail to see how using that for Ichigo’s speed as a lowball when we’re even given a direct timeframe is somehow calc stacking. There’s literally no calc’s involved. The original calc of Ichigo moving at lightning speed for the 9 hours he took to get there seems like the most accurate imo
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I will leave it and anything speed related for now until cour 4 ends, for now this is the best approach.

@DragonZeroNova Since your CRT has been accepted can you wait a bit until the kiko oh yield calc has been updated so we can Implement the multipliers in your CRT?
 
Specterxxxx said:
I will leave it and anything speed related for now until cour 4 ends, for now this is the best approach.

@DragonZeroNova Since your CRT has been accepted can you wait a bit until the kiko oh yield calc has been updated so we can Implement the multipliers in your CRT?
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I've already done half of the updates and that would also require another calc group discussion to implement
 
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