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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

There's also some ratings I still haven't figured out yet, like all the High Hypersonic ones. It's why I CBA to deal with speed (or LS) unlike AP where I'm making that scaling thing.
 
Oh yeah, I also think I said somewhere that I'd try to get that CRT to add Bleach AP scaling to the verse page ready by December but that's now delayed because I've added all the characters for every rating onto the actual chart (that had a proper rating AKA not the CFYOW characters aside from Aura and Yushiro) and I've found potential issues with my least favourite group (on the wiki) and also the Visored, so I'm figuring out a CRT for that instead.
 
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Ralp0054 said:
Could you elaborate on this part a little more for me?
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yeah I can, Auswahlen does not seem like it has a constant set speed, some beams took more time to hit the ground compared to others so they vary in speed, and the version lilltotto dodged took more time disqualifying it from the quick auswahlen shots that were calculated at ftl+

even if one believed she scales to the full version of it and that all auswahlen beams are 1:1 in speed that causes circular scaling and removes the feat entirely because the way it works goes like this

Candice = lightning speed in attacks

femritters reaction speeds would be at least this much
ichigo perception blitzes femritters --> ichigos travel speed becomes lightning speed
ichigo takes hours to traverse the reiokyu seretei distance
auswahlen takes a few seconds so Auswahlen > Ichigo travel speed
if liltotto scales to auswahlen that destroys the idea that ichigos ts is above their perceptions

to make it easier here is a chain :

Femritter perception speeds > Femritter reaction speeds (Liltotto) ~ Auswahlen >>>>>>>> Ichigo TS > Femritter Perception Speeds > Femritter attack speeds (Lightning Speed)

if shes relative to the auswahlen then ichigos travel speed doesnt upscale, which removes the ftl entirely
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
yeah I can, Auswahlen does not seem like it has a constant set speed, some beams took more time to hit the ground compared to others so they vary in speed, and the version lilltotto dodged took more time disqualifying it from the quick auswahlen shots that were calculated at ftl+

even if one believed she scales to the full version of it and that all auswahlen beams are 1:1 in speed that causes circular scaling and removes the feat entirely because the way it works goes like this

Candice = lightning speed in attacks

femritters reaction speeds would be at least this much
ichigo perception blitzes femritters --> ichigos travel speed becomes lightning speed
ichigo takes hours to traverse the reiokyu seretei distance
auswahlen takes a few seconds so Auswahlen > Ichigo travel speed
if liltotto scales to auswahlen that destroys the idea that ichigos ts is above their perceptions

to make it easier here is a chain :

Femritter perception speeds > Femritter reaction speeds (Liltotto) ~ Auswahlen >>>>>>>> Ichigo TS > Femritter Perception Speeds > Femritter attack speeds (Lightning Speed)

if shes relative to the auswahlen then ichigos travel speed doesnt upscale, which removes the ftl entirely
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It seemed like something was going to come out of this, but it turned out to be a plot hole. Thanks for clarifying it for me
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
yeah I can, Auswahlen does not seem like it has a constant set speed, some beams took more time to hit the ground compared to others so they vary in speed, and the version lilltotto dodged took more time disqualifying it from the quick auswahlen shots that were calculated at ftl+

even if one believed she scales to the full version of it and that all auswahlen beams are 1:1 in speed that causes circular scaling and removes the feat entirely because the way it works goes like this

Candice = lightning speed in attacks

femritters reaction speeds would be at least this much
ichigo perception blitzes femritters --> ichigos travel speed becomes lightning speed
ichigo takes hours to traverse the reiokyu seretei distance
auswahlen takes a few seconds so Auswahlen > Ichigo travel speed
if liltotto scales to auswahlen that destroys the idea that ichigos ts is above their perceptions

to make it easier here is a chain :

Femritter perception speeds > Femritter reaction speeds (Liltotto) ~ Auswahlen >>>>>>>> Ichigo TS > Femritter Perception Speeds > Femritter attack speeds (Lightning Speed)

if shes relative to the auswahlen then ichigos travel speed doesnt upscale, which removes the ftl entirely
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Is there a possibility to get combat and reaction speed instead of travel speed?
 
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Aizen is NOT that guy 😭✌🏽

Intro : Hello folks, we are doing a quick minor inverse scaling rework today, a thing that bothered me in Aizen's profile is that Base Aizen is getting his 5C possibly 4A from Yamamoto which I believe is incorrect Yamamoto : Aizen does indeed pierce him but that's as admitted in the profiles...
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Ghostimuscrime said:
for whom? Ichigo? he already scales to ftl in combat (and has a 0.5c calc as support)
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Sorry, what's confusing me here is that I think True Shikai Ichigo still remains sub-relativistic, and the scaling on the page he refers to in the profile also confused me. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki_(Post-Timeskip)#:~:text=FTL (Able,10])
I understand that going down from the soul king palace to SS gives this speed, but I thought it was still in the profile.
So why is Uryu still in MHRS+ even though he fought Ichigo?
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
for whom? Ichigo? he already scales to ftl in combat (and has a 0.5c calc as support)
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Ichigo Kurosaki (Pre-Timeskip)

Ichigo Kurosaki (黒崎くろさき 一いち護ご, Kurosaki Ichigo?) is the son of Masaki and Isshin Kurosaki, a Quincy with the powers of a Soul Reaper. Years after the death of his mother, Ichigo uses his innate spiritual awareness to help local ghosts, and unlocks his potential as a Soul Reaper when Rukia...
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For example, here, although Mugetsu is equated with True Shikai, it still appears to be relativistic.
 
Ralp0054 said:
Sorry, what's confusing me here is that I think True Shikai Ichigo still remains sub-relativistic, and the scaling on the page he refers to in the profile also confused me. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki_(Post-Timeskip)#:~:text=FTL (Able,10])
I understand that going down from the soul king palace to SS gives this speed, but I thought it was still in the profile.
So why is Uryu still in MHRS+ even though he fought Ichigo?
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Because Speed is outdated.
 
DragonZeroNova said:
It's pretty outdated from what I understand. Don't quote me on this, but I think speed is supposed to be done after AP/Dura and I think that's not considered done until Cour 4 revisions. I think some people are working on Speed in the background though, but who knows when that will be done.
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I will quote myself on this despite telling others not to
 
Ralp0054 said:
Sorry, what's confusing me here is that I think True Shikai Ichigo still remains sub-relativistic, and the scaling on the page he refers to in the profile also confused me. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki_(Post-Timeskip)#:~:text=FTL (Able,10])
I understand that going down from the soul king palace to SS gives this speed, but I thought it was still in the profile.
So why is Uryu still in MHRS+ even though he fought Ichigo?
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As I said earlier, pretty much all of the speed ratings for the Thousand-Year Blood War arc are outdated, but I think we're waiting for season four to release to fix them, or something like that.
 
They announced at Anime Expo that it would be released in 2026, right? I guess there are still no details.
 
Anyone else has this exact theory?

“Eyes of Agate”

“Wardens of Hell are Clairvoyant”

“I confirmed I was able to use KS to interfere with his Clairvoyant powers…”

“Yhwach and Aizen keeping the Maws of Hell shut…”

“Reio put a seal lit on the Pit”

= Agate Queen of Hell, Yhwach’s mom, and also progenitor of the Almighy eyes. 🤔
 
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Ichigo Kurosaki vs Mori Jin [0-1-0]

Ichigo Kurosaki (Merged Hollow Form) Attack Potency: Possibly 168.8 ExaFoe, Possibly 1.688 ZettaFoe with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tensho Durability: Possibly 168.8 ExaFoe Lifting Strength: 68.8 billion Metric Tons (Class T) Mori Jin (World Competition Arc) Attack Potency: Possibly 71.4 ExaFoe...
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I made this matchup for ichigo today if any of yall want to check it out
 
AppleLord said:
How? Give me one example?
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The boring answer? Reverse Flash scales pretty significantly into DCs cosmology, scaling at least to the speed force wall which is beyond ‘the Bleed’ and the infinite DC multiverse. Ridiculously above Yhwach and the Bleach cosmology

Immesurable Speed that allows time travel + some forms of temporal acausality is also a deadly combo against someone who’s ability requires mental activation and is at best ‘only’ infinite speed if we highball him. The Almighty shouldn’t be powerful enough to power null/reactive evolve to RF’s abilities either due to the power difference
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Not sure any upscale worthy feat dropped in regards to speed
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Shunsui did a FTL to FTL+ feat, the anime speed feats became more enhanced due to the time frame and the upgraded soul King Palace to SS distance. Like three FTL+ feats happened between cour 2 to cour 3.
Ghostimuscrime said:
(feel free to point out if I’m wrong), AP chains also change as multipliers require being indexed and all, I think some speed stuff dropped but those feats kinda only benefit low tier verses


Also liltotto reacted to a vastly slower Auswahlen compared to Yhwach’s first one that’s why she’s not 19.5c
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lilloto reacted to the same one not a different one the only reason she doesn't scale is the possibility of it being a timed feat, she was already aware of what was happening before she moved Gisele out the way.
 
Specterxxxx said:
Shunsui did a FTL to FTL+ feat, the anime speed feats became more enhanced due to the time frame and the upgraded soul King Palace to SS distance. Like three FTL+ feats happened between cour 2 to cour 3.
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May i ask what those possible FTL+ speed feats are?
 
Jo-Smooth said:
The boring answer? Reverse Flash scales pretty significantly into DCs cosmology, scaling at least to the speed force wall which is beyond ‘the Bleed’ and the infinite DC multiverse. Ridiculously above Yhwach and the Bleach cosmology

Immesurable Speed that allows time travel + some forms of temporal acausality is also a deadly combo against someone who’s ability requires mental activation and is at best ‘only’ infinite speed if we highball him. The Almighty shouldn’t be powerful enough to power null/reactive evolve to RF’s abilities either due to the power difference
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If that is accepted here in VSBW for powerscaling so be it. If not I could debate you about it.
 
Renji deflecting light I think was accepted as ftl at one point on here, dunno who removed it but I think I remember seeing non god tiers reach mftl on profiles
 
Speed has been put in the backburner for years,and has been outdated for a while,i mean we have memery like Fullbring Bankai Ichigo being slower than Bankai Ginjo(not the CFYOW version btw,just plain old Fullbring arc Bankai Ginjo). Lifting strength is a meme for different reasons,as the Mighty class 10 Cang Du can attest to.
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Renji deflecting light I think was accepted as ftl at one point on here, dunno who removed it but I think I remember seeing non god tiers reach mftl on profiles
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Yeah that too, though the feat doesn't seem to concrete as the rest.

But majority of captains should scale to the darkness speed tho.

While Hos ichigo, Aizen and yhwach would scale to 5 times that speed
 
There's something I want to ask: What exactly did Aizen mean by shoot down the royal palace? If they hadn't controlled his reiatsu, would his attack we seen have gone all the way to the palace?
 
Ralp0054 said:
There's something I want to ask: What exactly did Aizen mean by shoot down the royal palace? If they hadn't controlled his reiatsu, would his attack we seen have gone all the way to the palace?
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Presumably, yes. Unsure how fast it would be though. You could get range from it.
 
It's probably fair to consider that based on Aizen's tybw speed feats, This reiatsu attack can apparently work similarly to Yhwach's darkness and can be directed at the target
 
Anyone remembers when I quoted the interview where it hinted at Cour 4 not been the END of Bleach!? Well, we just got two new hints that Bleach will continue after Cour 4.

1.

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『BLEACH』アニメ公式チャンネル

TVアニメ『BLEACH 千年血戦篇-禍進譚-』2026年放送！ ■イントロダクション 最後の聖戦、迫る――。 『週刊少年ジャンプ』で連載され、シリーズ累計発行部数は1億3000万部を超えるなど、 完結後も世界中で根強い人気を誇る『BLEACH』。 2004年10月より放送を開始したTVアニメは、 これまでに360話以上が制作され、長編劇場アニメも4作を数える。 そしてついに、シリーズの最終章 “千年血戦篇”のアニメプロジェクトの幕が上がる。 監督とシリーズ構成は、数々の作品で卓越したビジュアルセンスを発揮してきた田口智久。...
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2. Official Bleach website has been licensed until 2031.
 
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Kubo likes what he is doing with the anime staff right now. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hell Arc will be anime only.
 
Kinda of a shame if that happens, I wanted to see hell arc in Kubo’s art style but definitely understand if he switches to anime only given how stressful being a mangaka is on the mind and body
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Kinda of a shame if that happens, I wanted to see hell arc in Kubo’s art style but definitely understand if he switches to anime only given how stressful being a mangaka is on the mind and body
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That’s what I was thinking. That’s how Dragon Ball Super happened.
 
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