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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Qurbonboev said:
How does Yhwach power nullification and reactive evolution works against abilities that affect you in past too? They wouldn't be able to harm him in present and future due to Almighty, but does it defends him in the past too?
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Yhwach saw the futures resulted from book of the end being used in tensa zangetsu...

Almighty works on futures resulted from different pasts as well, so he should be fine
 
Qurbonboev said:
Are you sure? Yhwach gets from Soul King only acasuality 4, which is useless without feats. And only feats I see is resisting casuality manipulation(which is in itself is very good) and resisting to Almighty powers(if Yhwach is gaining abilities of prime Soul King). But character in question destroys the past itself, which is different case from above
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Yhwach’s past is in the same realm as the Soul King. A world without live and death. Where stagnation and stillness (mimihagi & pernida) are constant as concepts.

They would need to destroy a being who existed before life and death was created.

As an example I asked ChatGPT if and how could Reverse Flash could kill Yhwach by going back in the past. Answer was:

 
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ItsMeat said:
Yhwach saw the futures resulted from book of the end being used in tensa zangetsu...

Almighty works on futures resulted from different pasts as well, so he should be fine
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In the manga, Yhwach also saw the past when he turned around after stabbing the Soul King he got a vision of Ichigo reviving Ichibei and their conversation which had already happened.
 
AppleLord said:
Yhwach’s past is in the same realm as the Soul King. A world without live and death. Where stagnation and stillness (mimihagi & pernida) are constant as concepts.

They would need to destroy a being who existed before life and death was created.

As an example I asked ChatGPT if and how could Reverse Flash could kill Yhwach by going back in the past. Answer was:

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Are we using Chatgtp to powerscale
 
Qurbonboev said:
Are you sure? Yhwach gets from Soul King only acasuality 4, which is useless without feats. And only feats I see is resisting casuality manipulation(which is in itself is very good) and resisting to Almighty powers(if Yhwach is gaining abilities of prime Soul King). But character in question destroys the past itself, which is different case from above
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Well idk how the feats relate to that, if by wiki policies you need feats on top of listing the ability, then I guess it will work on Yhwach as you said.
 
Btw, unrelated, does having a deeper soul, independent from the normal soul count as ae2 or immortality type 9?
 
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Sosuke Aizen (Bleach) vs Lancelot (4KOA)

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Sosuke_Aizen#Thousand_Year_Blood_War_Arc VS https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Lancelot_(Nanatsu_no_Taizai) Muken Aizen vs Current Lancelot Speed equalized. No Reiatsu Crush. Immortality can be restricted if necessary. Location: Neutral field.
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AppleLord said:
Are you? I just asked if Reverse Flash could kill Yhwach which is not even on this topic. Lol 🤣

I didn’t ask it to power scale.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmnmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmfmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmemmmmm
 
Deceived3596 said:
Yhwach is able to actualize all future possibilities, and under Modal Realism, there exists a possible world where Yhwach defeats Reverse Flash as there isn't a intrinsic, logical contradiction with the conclusion 🤓☝️
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Average modal realism discord Yhwach debate
 
"It was me, Yhwach. I was the one who made the Soul King give birth to you. I AM YOUR OTHER PARENT AND THUS, YOU CANNOT SEE MY FUTURE"
Reverse Flash, year -182390
 
DragonZeroNova said:
"It was me, Yhwach. I was the one who made the Soul King give birth to you. I AM YOUR OTHER PARENT AND THUS, YOU CANNOT SEE MY FUTURE"
Reverse Flash, year -182390
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“It was me, Barry. I was the one who gave you the illusion of speed… while I rewrote your timeline into my dream. You didn’t run through time — you ran through my Schrift.”
— Yhwach, Year ∞
 
Can we give Aizen resistance/immune to Ichibei’s Shikai and Bankai?

Shikai Kenpachi > (Soul King Fragment absorbed) Ikkimidomoe > Ichibei’s Name Erasure.

Aizen Post-Hogyoku (Soul King Fragment fused)[Nail of the Soul King]

???
 
AppleLord said:
Can we give Aizen resistance/immune to Ichibei’s Shikai and Bankai?

Shikai Kenpachi > (Soul King Fragment absorbed) Ikkimidomoe > Ichibei’s Name Erasure.

Aizen Post-Hogyoku (Soul King Fragment fused)[Nail of the Soul King]

???
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Yeah, idk why it is only labeled as likely when the ikomikidomoe thing is pretty clear, we also have almighty(the soul king's ability) be unaffected by ichimonji even in a weaker form and so on
 
I'm just curious, was there any attempt to extract anything from the scene where Liltotto pushes Giselle and saves both her and himself when Aushwahlen is active in Cour 2?
 
TYBW Anime changing/adding FIRE based powers to Renji means Ichika Abarai may as well have dual-zanpakutou with Ice and Fire. 🤔
 
Upgrade for Uryu?

Shinigami spiritual energy last for months as we saw Ichigo’s training in the Dangai. At the very least we know a week running in an energy draining machine for Ichigo ain’t enough.

Uryu’s spiritual energy absorbtion trap has a faster draining speeds if it goes against other verses which character don’t have feats of their energies lasting at least a week’s time.
 
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Liltotto Lamperd

Liltotto Lamperd (リルトット・ランパード, Rirutotto Ranpādo?) is a Quincy and a member of the Wandenreich's Sternritter with the designation "G" - "The Glutton". Tier: High 6-A, higher with Blut Arterie, far higher with Vollständig, even higher with Vollständig and Blut Arterie, at least High 6-A with...
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What is the basic scale logic of the speed I emphasize in this profile?
 
Ralp0054 said:
What is the basic scale logic of the speed I emphasize in this profile?
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Hikone has a Sub-Relative calc. Since Liltotto also has a Volstandig in TYBW, TYBW Liltotto>CFYOW Liltotto is used. But was Liltotto getting a speed scale for Hikone, who also exhibited a Sub Relative speed feat? I don't know about that either, but I remember her performing the Sub Relative feat in her final form. She's much faster than Liltotto in that form anyway.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
Hikone has a Sub-Relative calc. Since Liltotto also has a Volstandig in TYBW, TYBW Liltotto>CFYOW Liltotto is used. But was Liltotto getting a speed scale for Hikone, who also exhibited a Sub Relative speed feat? I don't know about that either, but I remember her performing the Sub Relative feat in her final form. She's much faster than Liltotto in that form anyway.
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In addition, since she gave to auswahlen a reaction, she also gained sub-relativistic speed from here. But how was this reaction speed calculated? the accepted speed of aushwahlen is 19.5c, This part confused me.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
How do you keep AP up to date but not speed?
didnt anime drop some speed feats or no?
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I feel like the senjumaru feat is a greater speed feat than an Ap feat but idk if that could get accepted here. And maybe better time frames for The Auswählen and Mimihagi.
 
PizzaDante67 said:
I feel like the senjumaru feat is a greater speed feat than an Ap feat but idk if that could get accepted here. And maybe better time frames for The Auswählen and Mimihagi.
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mimihagi hand could climb from SS base where Ukitake was into royal palace in seconds no? royal palace is so high it would take a week or more to climb up tho idk if that even goes into hypersonic speeds but how is senjumaru feat usable?
 
PedjaTarzan said:
mimihagi hand could climb from SS base where Ukitake was into royal palace in seconds no? royal palace is so high it would take a week or more to climb up tho idk if that even goes into hypersonic speeds but how is senjumaru feat usable?
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Her shockwave traveled from the Soul King Palace to the Wotl in mere moments. Even if her movement speed is hundreds of thousands of times slower than the shockwave, she‘d still be well into Massively FTL+. But i don’t know how to make a solid case for that just now
 
I mean… The Three Realms are each three different space-times as accepted in Ichibe's CRT.

How can shockwaves travel to completely different space-times?
 
PedjaTarzan said:
How do you keep AP up to date but not speed?
didnt anime drop some speed feats or no?
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Not sure any upscale worthy feat dropped in regards to speed (feel free to point out if I’m wrong), AP chains also change as multipliers require being indexed and all, I think some speed stuff dropped but those feats kinda only benefit low tier verses


Also liltotto reacted to a vastly slower Auswahlen compared to Yhwach’s first one that’s why she’s not 19.5c
 
There's also some ratings I still haven't figured out yet, like all the High Hypersonic ones. It's why I CBA to deal with speed (or LS) unlike AP where I'm making that scaling thing.
 
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