BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Khaostichny]

The ep's info cards translations, from Google Translate:

Torrent of the Spirit King's Power

This phenomenon occurs when the power of the Soul King, released from his seal, is too much for Yhwach to contain and passes through his body and overflows. Appearing as a black, murky current, it is actually a collection of spirits shaped like one-eyed babies. It attacks those it perceives as enemies like a tsunami, biting into them with its sharp fangs. There are various theories as to why it attacks Shinigami, including that it is a manifestation of an unconscious resentment towards the fact that the Soul King was once sealed away by a Shinigami, that the Soul King's true identity was a Quincy and he harbored a grudge against Shinigami, and that Yhwach's will was mixed in with the torrent.

Black Coffin

The seeping cloudy emblem

Vessel of Insolent Madness

Rising, denying, numbing, blinking, preventing sleep

Crawling Iron Princess

A mud doll that keeps self-destructing

Combine or repel

Fill the earth and know your own powerlessness

 

[Excellence616]

we do

He felt the Reiatsu impact just like everyone else but didn't sense it.

 

[Excellence616]

You would have to sense the reiatsu inorder to see if there are any “weak points” in it, no?

Take what Nanana did like Superman's X-ray vision

 

[Crobatman44]

To test the open-mindedness of the chat, what is everyone's opinion on Ayon Absorbed Quilge being relative with Bankai Yamamoto via being relative with Fullbring Bankai Ichigo

Im fine with it being a thing tbh.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

And what does this title refer to? I honestly don't remember.

If I recall correctly, it's the chapter we see Yhwach's "back story" in the manga.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

For y'all to debate with and aid the journey of spreading the Bleach truth:

"...I really wanted to find the best way to express the scale of Yhwach's power, how it's so powerful that it could even reshape the world itself."

5-B base Yhwach and by extension Bankai Yama will be coming with my cour 3 stat revisions.

Weak. Should be Low 2-C.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

now bring that old ass 4D arguments for dangai ichigo and ultra fragor aizen

Yes!

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

To test the open-mindedness of the chat, what is everyone's opinion on Ayon Absorbed Quilge being relative with Bankai Yamamoto via being relative with Fullbring Bankai Ichigo

No. Fullbring Bankai Ichigo > Mugetsu; therefore, Quilge > Mugetsu.

Honestly, seems ok to me. Granted, it would be a little odd since Yhwach said that he was the only one who could handle Yamamoto's Bankai, but Yhwach probably wasn't referring to that form of Quilge.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Najahkoop could sense Aizen’s reiatsu, didn’t he? That’s why he was confident in his ability to paralyze him, he sensed the holes in Aizen’s reiatsu

Not exactly. It's more of a property of the Underbelly that lets him see Spiritual Pressure to poke holes in it.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

It’s explained in CFYOW that the Underbelly lets him see the patterns of one’s spiritual pressure. Which is different from being able to sense it with your normal spiritual pressure senses.

 

[Adam1396]

No. Fullbring Bankai Ichigo > Mugetsu; therefore, Quilge > Mugetsu.

Honestly, seems ok to me. Granted, it would be a little odd since Yhwach said that he was the only one who could handle Yamamoto's Bankai, but Yhwach probably wasn't referring to that form of Quilge.

Doesn’t seem reasonable.
It should include any form of any sternritter before auswahlen

 

[Wankbreaker]

It’s explained in CFYOW

the classic

thanks for the explanation though

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Hell no

Are you sure? Looking at the episode itself, the other Schutzstaffel while impressed by Uryu's performance, don't seem all that shocked by his power, and considering that Askin for example could turn Ichigo into a carpet, they should scale too

 

[Crobatman44]

Askin is NOT scaling to that tier,and for that matter he will not be scaling to Kisuke either,he's a SAFWY Kenpachi victim.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I think they're gonna get rid of that scene.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Doesn’t seem reasonable.
It should include any form of any sternritter before auswahlen

Ok.

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Are you sure? Looking at the episode itself, the other Schutzstaffel while impressed by Uryu's performance, don't seem all that shocked by his power, and considering that Askin for example could turn Ichigo into a carpet, they should scale too

We'll have to see if Ichigo still gets turned into a carpet or not. I think they'll get rid of that scene, but I will not be surprised if Askin is buffed anyway.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

I mostly find it strange how a lot of characters on their AP scaling are said to scale relative to Post-Unohana Kenpachi, but are still stuck at tier 6

 

[Excellence616]

Are you sure? Looking at the episode itself, the other Schutzstaffel while impressed by Uryu's performance, don't seem all that shocked by his power, and considering that Askin for example could turn Ichigo into a carpet, they should scale too

A heavy suppressed Shikai Ichigo who was just running around and did that with hax.

He should try that with HOS or True Bankai

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Are you sure? Looking at the episode itself, the other Schutzstaffel while impressed by Uryu's performance, don't seem all that shocked by his power, and considering that Askin for example could turn Ichigo into a carpet, they should scale too

There are numerous reasons why they shouldn’t scale, I’ll save it for my stat revisions down the line tho.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Shouldn't we just wait to see if they manage to do enough of something worth scaling to him with?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I think they're gonna get rid of that scene.

You sure? Yuha has carpeted Ichigo already:

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

You sure? Yuha has carpeted Ichigo already:

Yhwach scales… no one thinks Yhwach doesn’t scale dude. Stop being obtuse for no reason

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

You sure? Yuha has carpeted Ichigo already:

That is also not Askin

 

[Crobatman44]

Askin is a respira diff victim.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Askin is a respira diff victim.

No

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

That is also not Askin

True, but if anime is willing to have Yuha carpet Ichigo, what’s keeping them from having Askin do the same?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

True, but if anime is willing to have Yuha carpet Ichigo, what’s keeping them from having Askin do the same?

Yhwach is the big bad final and strongest villain in the series. Him and Askin are not the same. Again stop being so obtuse.

 

[TheLav69]

Granted, it would be a little odd since Yhwach said that he was the only one who could handle Yamamoto's Bankai, but Yhwach probably wasn't referring to that form of Quilge.

Doesn’t seem reasonable.
It should include any form of any sternritter before auswahlen

At first I was worried about Yhwach’s statement too, but then I realized that the version of Quilge that absorbed Ayon should probably just be an exception to this statement tbh. Yhwach clearly went in with a plan to steal Yamamoto’s bankai beforehand, and I doubt he had any way of knowing that Ayon would he summoned, that he’d be that strong, and that Quilge would end up absorbing him. Ayon-Absorbed Quilge just falls outside the scope of that statement imo.

 

[Adam1396]

At first I was worried about Yhwach’s statement too, but then I realized that the version of Quilge that absorbed Ayon should probably just be an exception to this statement tbh. Yhwach clearly went in with a plan to steal Yamamoto’s bankai beforehand, and I doubt he had any way of knowing that Ayon would he summoned, that he’d be that strong, and that Quilge would end up absorbing him. Ayon-Absorbed Quilge just falls outside the scope of that statement imo.

There should be a massive difference between ichigo who quilgie scales to and the one managed to scratch yhwach.

Jugram's reaction clearly implies yamamoto is abnormally stronger.
Ayon absorbed quilgie still should be below pre auswahlen royal guards. Fake yhwach definitely is a top dog in that chain, since he likely copied more than 70% of yhwach's raw power.

 

[LordTracer]

To test the open-mindedness of the chat, what is everyone's opinion on Ayon Absorbed Quilge being relative with Bankai Yamamoto via being relative with Fullbring Bankai Ichigo

My opinion is that you should be burned at the stake

It’s weird, but I don’t have any real issues with it.

 

[Adam1396]

Are people arguing that askin scales to TS ichigo?

As how things going on in anime, I think even that might be possible.. Though I'm still iffy about even uryu's scaling to TS ichigo. He managed to one shot a paralyzed shutara.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Ayon absorbed Quilge is just not below the Elite Sternritter

pre Auswahlen Askin <<< Kisuke < Voll Stern Dich Ayon Absorbed Quilge ~< FB Bankai Ichigo ~ enraged but fatigued FB Bankai Ichigo ~ Yhwach ~ Bankai Yama > Shikai Yama >>> CFYOW Byakuya >>> pre Auswahlen Gerard

Quilge with Ayon is just cracked

 

[TheLav69]

At first I was worried about Yhwach’s statement too, but then I realized that the version of Quilge that absorbed Ayon should probably just be an exception to this statement tbh. Yhwach clearly went in with a plan to steal Yamamoto’s bankai beforehand, and I doubt he had any way of knowing that Ayon would he summoned, that he’d be that strong, and that Quilge would end up absorbing him. Ayon-Absorbed Quilge just falls outside the scope of that statement imo.

So I went and checked, and Quilge straight up says that Ayon wasn’t in the report when he gets mauled. So that just confirms it.

 

[Adam1396]

Ayon absorbed Quilge is just not below the Elite Sternritter

pre Auswahlen Askin <<< Kisuke < Voll Stern Dich Ayon Absorbed Quilge ~< FB Bankai Ichigo ~ enraged but fatigued FB Bankai Ichigo ~ Yhwach ~ Bankai Yama > Shikai Yama >>> CFYOW Byakuya >>> pre Auswahlen Gerard

Quilge with Ayon is just cracked

Ichigo was already stronger than quilgie and should be lot stronger by the time he was trying hard to break jail.
Even stronger when he is enraged. We know about his massive power cliff. This is absolutely such situation.

Just can't get around such notion, that any other sternritter would scale to elite sterneritter regardless of power boost however they get.
eg. Quilgie's boost, that man eating loli's boost and the guy that killed sasakibe.

 

[ReaperAndBlues]

Do y'all think Momo should get a profile?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Ichigo was already stronger than quilgie and should be lot stronger by the time he was trying hard to break jail.
Even stronger when he is enraged.

Just can't get around such notion, that any other sternritter would scale to elite sterneritter regardless of power boost however they get.
eg. Quilgie's boost, that man eating loli's boost and the guy that killed sasakibe.

Yeah man Quilge totally got one shot by Ichigo’s Getsuga. Either way, his scaling above Kisuke refutes your claim anyway

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Do y'all think Momo should get a profile?

If there's enough information to get statistics/abilities, I don't see why not.

 

[Arcker123]

Let's ask a more prudent question. What would be an inconsistency entailed by quilge > elites

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Did it show how Aizen was moved in the chair? I don't recall. Because if they are picking him up and carrying him around, that would be funny.