BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Arc7Kuroi]

I also don’t believe in Fullbring Ichigo > Dangai Ichigo.

 

[M11UTD]

Fullbring Ichigo was damaged by Chad, idk why people comparing to Dangai.

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Fullbring Ichigo was damaged by Chad, idk why people comparing to Dangai.

People who use the scale use it to scale pm the entire cast above Dangai

 

[Arcker123]

I also don’t believe in Fullbring Ichigo > Dangai Ichigo.

The flashback showed Ginjo tho...

 

[AnimesFreak2]

TYBW Kenpachi vs base Aizen is very debatable. CFYOW Kenpachi very likely outscales Muken Aizen in AP with his Shikai and or Bankai. But if by EoS base Kenpachi you mean CFYOW, I think he should be in that same tier as Muken Aizen, bare minimum scaling above Butterflyzen. If by EoS you mean TYBW, depends on if you think Kenny got a Zenkai vs Gerard and how massive you think that Zenkai is, but the debate would be moreso vs base Aizen for that Kenpachi.

1. I personally believe TBYW Kenpachi pegs Base Aizen, at the very least in Bankai

2. Jesus christ.....

 

[AnimesFreak2]

I also don’t believe in Fullbring Ichigo > Dangai Ichigo.

Anyone who believes that is an idiot fr fr

 

[M11UTD]

Damn so everyone scale higher than Transcendent Aizen and they all Soul King tier

 

[Tyri456]

力が対等でなくなろうとも私は君に興味がある

As Arc said, 力 means power/strength

I always interpreted it in another way, and CFYOW might confirm my interpretation

 

[Purgy]

I always interpreted it in another way, and CFYOW might confirm my interpretation

How do you interpret it?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Aizen later admits intellectual inferiority to Kisuke, so it cannot be referring to equals in intellectual abilities, if that’s what you’re aiming at.

 

[YukaSama4]

Shikai Yama > Aizen > base Yama would be more realistic

I think Yama said he can defeat Aizen even without his shikari, and iirc the databook repeated it? I'm not sure on that tbh.

I also don’t believe in Fullbring Ichigo > Dangai Ichigo.

This was debunked months ago here iirc.

Btw I think here we scale base Aizen above TYBW Kenpachi.

Base Aizen >> Tokinada ~ Byakuya ~ TYBW Bankai Zaraki.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Always remember Shinji is the same dumbass who explained his Shikai ability to both Aizen and Bambietta

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

I think Yama said he can defeat Aizen even without his shikari, and iirc the databook repeated it? I'm not sure on that tbh.

A) Yama can be wrong B) he doesn’t defeat Aizen

Always remember Shinji is the same dumbass who explained his Shikai ability to both Aizen and Bambietta

Remember when Rose was beating Mask until he explained his ability

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Remember when Rose was beating Mask until he explained his ability

That a bad habit of Kubo's

I get he wants to explain the character ability but does he constantly have to have characters be arrogant dumbasses and explain to their opponent

He can't have internal dialogue? Or even a Narrator bubble?


While I haven't seen too much of JJK I like that explaining their ability actually makes it stronger lmao

Kubo could have even done something like that

Hell even have characters lie about their magic sword abilities that way when an opponent figures it out it makes them seem smart and even more dangerous

 

[Arcker123]

Anyone who believes that is an idiot fr fr

Tsukishima fought god Aizen so

#Consistent

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Tsukishima fought god Aizen so

#Consistent

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

That a bad habit of Kubo's

I get he wants to explain the character ability but does he constantly have to have characters be arrogant dumbasses and explain to their opponent

He can't have internal dialogue? Or even a Narrator bubble?


While I haven't seen too much of JJK I like that explaining their ability actually makes it stronger lmao

Kubo could have even done something like that

Hell even have characters lie about their magic sword abilities that way when an opponent figures it out it makes them seem smart and even more dangerous

Eh Kubo probably didn’t wanna have explanatory walls of text like HxH so he worked it into the dialogue, just a concession he had to make so the readers could understand why certain stuff worked like it did

 

[AnimesFreak2]

I finally gained my true power guys.

The combined might and abilities of all the main races of the universe


Now behold..... TWO GETSUGAS


- Ichigo Kurosaki ( probably )

 

[YukaSama4]

A) Yama can be wrong B) he doesn’t defeat Aizen

Yes, but I think the databook repeated it.

I will try to search for it later

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Eh Kubo probably didn’t wanna have explanatory walls of text like HxH so he worked it into the dialogue, just a concession he had to make so the readers could understand why certain stuff worked like it did

 

[Ovy7]

Also I heard in the novels Hikone in his Resureccion was beginning to hit Transcendent levels near the end?

if so, would that mean he's at least comparable to Condom or Rockstar Aizen?

I genuinely think Rez Hikone is only comparable to Crysalys Aizen at most, based on that statement about his Reiatsu starting to break the boundaries between Hollow and Shinigami, something Aizen was already doing since even pre-Crysalys stage IIRC.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

I genuinely think Rez Hikone is only comparable to Crysalys Aizen at most, based on that statement about his Reiatsu starting to break the boundaries between Hollow and Shinigami, something Aizen was already doing since even pre-Crysalys stage IIRC.

Then what do you make of the statement of EOS Aizen needing to get serious to beat Hikone?

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Rare Sui Feng W

 

[Ovy7]

Then what do you make of the statement of EOS Aizen needing to get serious to beat Hikone?

Related to Ichigo's theory that deep down Aizen wanted to lose.

Also, IIRC, the statement talks about Aizen carring enough to fight Hikone, not needing to get serious to fight Hikone.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Related to Ichigo's theory that deep down Aizen wanted to lose.

Also, IIRC, the statement talks about Aizen carring enough to fight Hikone, not needing to get serious to fight Hikone.

I mean at the very least if it says he needs to care to win that by default should make him at Monster Aizen Tier or Higher seeing as a casual sealed Aizen's feats made Kisuke ( who watched Ichigo vs Aizen final battle ) believe he was already way stronger than when he was in his Monster state

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Also, IIRC, the statement talks about Aizen carring enough to fight Hikone, not needing to get serious to fight Hikone.

Negative I translated the raws before making the argument, it does mention serious iirc.

But I think that viewpoint isn’t invalid.

The way I see it Hikone has 2 valid spots to scale them: 1) to Reio based on Tokinada saying Hikone could replace Reio (giving Hikone the same statement as Ichigo) supported by Hikone breaking their boundaries against Kenpachi or 2) downscale relative to Muken Aizen based on Aizen needing to be serious supporter by Liltotto saying Hikone had the most potent reiatsu (or sumn akin to that) that they’ve ever witnessed (Liltotto having experienced a casual SK Yhwach and Quincy being possibly capable of analyzing “transcendent reiatsu” demonstrated by Nanana). Personally I favor 2 based on Kenpachi, Aizen, and Ichigo being put on the same pedestal by the narrator, but primarily because it’s stated verbatim that (while amped by his emotions) Bankai Ginjo fired off a GT that was equal to the strongest GT Ichigo ever fired off (the one against Yhwach) and despite that Ginjo can only maybe defeat Hikone per the author’s words.

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Last meme of the night

This one never fails to kill me

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Same vibe

Meme kinda wholesome in a way

Ichigo trying to cheer a bro up and they both lamenting what it like when they nerfed

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Same vibe

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Meme kinda wholesome in a way

Ichigo trying to cheer a bro up and they both lamenting what it like when they nerfed

~~my original post was a hit enter too soon moment~~

 

[YukaSama4]

Last meme of the night

This one never fails to kill me

Lmao

 

[AnimesFreak2]

~~my original post was a hit enter too soon moment~~

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

It’d be cool to see a cross over where they talk about they’re fights with god(s), troubles parenting, and general old man at a bar stuff, or maybe I’m just lame

 

[AnimesFreak2]

It’d be cool to see a cross over where they talk about they’re fights with god, troubles parenting, and general old man at a bar stuff, or maybe I’m just lame

Nah I would def be down for that

Let the nerd flow through you

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Naruto and Ichigo would def be friends man

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

Naruto and Ichigo would def be friends man

they got that nice regular sun vs black sun vibe going

 

[AnimesFreak2]

Speaking of which

This talk actually reminds me of this fan intro I found years ago back in middle school

Just rediscovered it recently

Naruto/Bleach crossover Opening

Little over a minute long

8-9/10 for me


Yall rate it

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

One Ok Rock is a good band

 

[AnimesFreak2]

One Ok Rock is a good band

what did u think of the opening itself though?

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

what did u think of the opening itself though?

Like the song or the visuals?