BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Apotheosis69]

Its strange, cause there's the whole thing about the X-Axis being infinite speed right? And so why would it then be Light speed then in a much stronger form.

But assuming that is indeed SoL, with how Shunsui presumably is able to dodge that... When he is literally Laying down on his BACK, and got donuted multiple times, weakening him

 

[Specterxxxx]

Its strange, cause there's the whole thing about the X-Axis being infinite speed right? And so why would it then be Light speed then in a much stronger form.

But assuming that is indeed SoL, with how Shunsui presumably is able to dodge that... When he is literally Laying down on his BACK, and got donuted multiple times, weakening him

Maybe his stronger attacks traded speed range and destructive power......

 

[Apotheosis69]

"Stronger" might've been the incorrect term for that.

Esp when his Schrift is all about hax, so what trading would there be. The only thing traveling at light speed is the sparks of light when Nanao cut off his hand, but that's cause of his pure physiology of being made of light. Not of the X-Axis itself.

 

[Specterxxxx]

"Stronger" might've been the incorrect term for that.

No as in his spatial manip became stronger.

Esp when his Schrift is all about hax, so what trading would there be. The only thing traveling at light speed is the sparks of light when Nanao cut off his hand, but that's cause of his pure physiology of being made of light. Not of the X-Axis itself.

He by his own words said shunsui dodged his light of judgement. That would mean Shunsui escaped it.

 

[Ralp0054]

But assuming that is indeed SoL, with how Shunsui presumably is able to dodge that... When he is literally Laying down on his BACK, and got donuted multiple times, weakening him

There is an obvious success being thrust into our eyes here and such questions are insufficient

 

[Apotheosis69]

There is an obvious success being thrust into our eyes here and such questions are insufficient

That second part is a feat for Shunsui... Have fun calcing that though

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

The X-Axis is the power to penetrate in a really fancy and esoteric way. When Lille awakens he pretty much becomes the X-Axis which allows him to apply it to anything he does since he is the X-Axis.

The Beams of light are just beams of light but with the X-Axis property.

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

And so why would it then be Light speed then in a much stronger form.

Lille's recent form is weaker than their previous form

 

[kwelski]

whats the stance regarding the canonicity of worldbuilding statements from the new soul resonance game?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

whats the stance regarding the canonicity of worldbuilding statements from the new soul resonance game?

Statements such as?

 

[Ralp0054]

What are your thoughts on the idea that Yhwach was born before the separation of the realms?

 

[Excellence616]

What are your thoughts on the idea that Yhwach was born before the separation of the realms?

I take Yhwach origins like Jesus. He existed during the Primordial World and Reincarnated into the 3 realms through conception

 

[Apotheosis69]

I take Yhwach origins like Jesus. He existed during the Primordial World and Reincarnated into the 3 realms through conception

Yhwach is def taken from Yeshua (Jesus's real original name)

His reincarnation is more of from the 999 years (especially with the connection of 3 times Itself being 9), And his "first birth" is through his mother, seemingly of the virgin Mary.

It could be of connection to the Holy Trinity too

The Father: Adyneus
The Son: Yhwach
The Holy Spirit: Unknown (Headcanon hopefully it being Jugram)

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

Yhwach is def taken from Yeshua (Jesus's real original name)

It's actually supposed to be taken from the tetragrammaton, YHWH, which is the Hebrew name for God. Kubo said he changed it at the behest of an editor to avoid potential controversies overseas.

 

[AppleLord]

What are your thoughts on the idea that Yhwach was born before the separation of the realms?

isn't the anime and manga say he is born every 200 years or something of the sort?

 

[PizzaDante67]

isn't the anime and manga say he is born every 200 years or something of the sort?

Don‘t think so. You might have confused it with Yhwach saying that a Quincy like himself and Jugram (those who give instead of absorb) are born once every thousand years or smth like that.

Edit: nvm its not 1000 years but 200 years so you‘re right. And yeah, they also mentioned that he was born 200 years ago.

 

[Apotheosis69]

It's actually supposed to be taken from the tetragrammaton, YHWH, which is the Hebrew name for God. Kubo said he changed it at the behest of an editor to avoid potential controversies overseas.

I am talking about his STORY and Narrative. Not his Name. I know his name is based on the Tetragrammaton

And I wish Kubo did not change Yhwach's name over people gettin big mad. Alongside's the whole thing with Byakuya's death

 

[ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn]

I am talking about his STORY and Narrative.

Oh, then yeah, he's more like an evil Jesus/Yeshua.

Not his Name. I know his name is based on the Tetragrammaton

Ok.

And I wish Kubo did not change Yhwach's name over people gettin big mad.

He didn't do it because people got mad, he did it because an editor asked him to do it to prevent anyone from getting mad. Still, I do think it would've been cool.

Alongside's the whole thing with Byakuya's death

I thought that was just a rumor?

 

[AppleLord]

Don‘t think so. You might have confused it with Yhwach saying that a Quincy like himself and Jugram (those who give instead of absorb) are born once every thousand years or smth like that.

Edit: nvm its not 1000 years but 200 years so you‘re right. And yeah, they also mentioned that he was born 200 years ago.

could the reason he calls Jugram his other half is because this expecific time Yhwach did not die during those 200 years to reincarnate again and the reason he calls Jugram his other half?

 

[PizzaDante67]

could the reason he calls Jugram his other half is because this expecific time Yhwach did not die during those 200 years to reincarnate again and the reason he calls Jugram his other half?

Its probably because Jugram is the only other living Quincy, who distributes Reishi to those around himself, instead of absorbing it. I don’t think anything indicates Jugram literally being his other half. But who knows, maybe cour 4 adds something to Yhwach‘s backstory.

 

[PizzaDante67]

Btw, are there any good arguments for Yhwach destroying the entire cosmology and scaling to it physically instead of scaling to it via Environmental Destruction?

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Btw, are there any good arguments for Yhwach destroying the entire cosmology and scaling to it physically instead of scaling to it via Environmental Destruction?

ED stuff is outdated.

 

[PizzaDante67]

ED stuff is outdated.

Yeah but what are the proposed arguments for Yhwach scaling to it? I‘m gathering arguments for bleach scaling and i‘d love to hear the opinion of you guys.

 

[Sigurd_Snake_in_The_Eye]

Yeah but what are the proposed arguments for Yhwach scaling to it? I‘m gathering arguments for bleach scaling and i‘d love to hear the opinion of you guys.

Relative fodder in comparison to SK can effect the cosmology with a fraction of her reiatsu.

Yhwach whilst sleeping can affect the cosmology creating space time ripples.

Kisuke deleted the flow of souls headcanon, followed by us seeing it his raw power maintaining the cosmology.

There is other things too but this is just off the top of my head.

 

[AppleLord]

Ichibei exists

Other verses: hax won’t work, is an inverse thing to rename connection to powers in Bleach

Yhwach exists

So?

Yhwach isn’t his truth name, he took that name for himself and Ichibei’s power still worked!!

 

[Specterxxxx]

Btw, are there any good arguments for Yhwach destroying the entire cosmology and scaling to it physically instead of scaling to it via Environmental Destruction?

At the moment yes, but it is best to wait for cour 4 as that is related to the events in that cour and kubo is most likely expanding on it so.

 

[SilentBob34]

@Specterxxxx, in regards to Yhwach’s lifting feat. with the manga distance being the one accepted vs the anime distance, the feat wouldn’t change from what I understand. It already takes the current Seireitei size and the maximum speed Yhwach could’ve done it without reaching FTL. So it’d be the same as on the page. A 5B feat with class Z lifting strength

 

[Specterxxxx]

@Specterxxxx, in regards to Yhwach’s lifting feat. with the manga distance being the one accepted vs the anime distance, the feat wouldn’t change from what I understand. It already takes the current Seireitei size and the maximum speed Yhwach could’ve done it without reaching FTL. So it’d be the same as on the page. A 5B feat with class Z lifting strength

I know, that's why I haven't said anything on Yhwach LS feat but I talked about Kenny and Toshiro's. I have been meaning to mention that but I have been forgetting. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[ItsMeat]

Don‘t think so. You might have confused it with Yhwach saying that a Quincy like himself and Jugram (those who give instead of absorb) are born once every thousand years or smth like that.

Edit: nvm its not 1000 years but 200 years so you‘re right. And yeah, they also mentioned that he was born 200 years ago.

It's 1.2k years ago, but that scene happens 1k years ago

 

[Ralp0054]

Auswählen's Speed Recalc

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[ItsMeat]

Auswählen's Speed Recalc

vsbattles.fandom.com

I say we go with option 1, when we see it moving in seiretei it seemes so slowed down that it's about as fast as the random foot soldiers stabbing corpses moments before we see the aushwallen ray

 

[Ralp0054]

I keep thinking about the distance between Reiokyu and Seireitei and I believe it needs a solid measurement, the distance we currently accept is the distance we determine based on the information given to us in the novel, based on Base Grimmjow's movement speed. I say that comparing Ichigo's movement speed with Grimmjow doesn't seem healthy at all, it doesn't fit Ichigo's god-level class at all, let's consider Hikone's achievements in the same novel and consider Ichigo's speed from Hikone's because it has been emphasized many times that he is one of the people who can fight Hikone, would you support such a measurement ?

 

[ItsMeat]

Yeah, it's not great, ichigo should be faster than grimmjow.

 

[ItsMeat]

I think that besides gremmy, senjumaru and senna, we got another feat kinda close to their tiers

 

[Specterxxxx]

I keep thinking about the distance between Reiokyu and Seireitei and I believe it needs a solid measurement, the distance we currently accept is the distance we determine based on the information given to us in the novel, based on Base Grimmjow's movement speed. I say that comparing Ichigo's movement speed with Grimmjow doesn't seem healthy at all, it doesn't fit Ichigo's god-level class at all, let's consider Hikone's achievements in the same novel and consider Ichigo's speed from Hikone's because it has been emphasized many times that he is one of the people who can fight Hikone, would you support such a measurement ?

The hikone that did that speed feat was a hikone who was in resureccion and their speed was amped with combining multiple speed techniques. Can you justify base ichigo moving that fast?

 

[Specterxxxx]

I think that besides gremmy, senjumaru and senna, we got another feat kinda close to their tiers

You could make a CRT for it.

 

[Black-san112]

I think that besides gremmy, senjumaru and senna, we got another feat kinda close to their tiers

I Think that the only problem you might find with this is one can argue that yukio only emulates/copies the effects of the things mentioned there more so then actually make a whole new solar system in his dimension but if you can argue otherwise then that would be a very good feat to try and make a CRT for

 

[ItsMeat]

I Think that the only problem you might find with this is one can argue that yukio only emulates/copies the effects of the things mentioned there more so then actually make a whole new solar system in his dimension but if you can argue otherwise then that would be a very good feat to try and make a CRT for

Honestly, that entire counterargument involves some mental gymnastics which aren't supported even by mere implications in the manga or the anime, let alone clear statements, but yeah

 

[Ralp0054]

The hikone that did that speed feat was a hikone who was in resureccion and their speed was amped with combining multiple speed techniques. Can you justify base ichigo moving that fast?

Resurrección and Limiters released = Soul King = CFYOW Kenpachi = TYBW Aizen = True Bankai İchigo am İ wrong ?

 

[Specterxxxx]

Resurrección and Limiters released = Soul King = CFYOW Kenpachi = TYBW Aizen = True Bankai İchigo am İ wrong ?

No, however it was true shikai ichigo that travelled the distance not true bankai ichigo.