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Outside of what was already mentioned,Oetsu's shadow is not present in either the cour 2 or Blu ray version of the fight iirc,the scene happens but Oetsu has no shadow.
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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion
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Arkenis
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I'm just wondering about the feat itself, not its useable in Bleach
PizzaDante67
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Do you know if that would include pre TYBW characters speed rating or is it just for the TYBW arc?
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Again, don't quote me on this.
But I think it's all speed, or at the very least from Fake Karakura Town onwards.
Apollonir.Scale
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Soi Fon vs Toshiro (FKT Version)
Both are FKT ARC versions. There is SBA. Who will win? Soi Fon: Toshiro:
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If this is mentioned in detailed or relevant to the scene is just a post editing mistake.
HelloThere1089
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So that Hell chapter was just bait then 
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Tune-inbait.So that Hell chapter was just bait then
HelloThere1089
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Exactly
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The anime has yet to finish.So that Hell chapter was just bait then
HelloThere1089
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So it was engagement bait then...
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@DragonZeroNova
We need to adapt Yukio's durability to Toshiro's, which is 20% stronger. I hadn't thought of that when you made the CRT. I remembered and thought I'd write it down. Do I need a separate CRT for this?
We need to adapt Yukio's durability to Toshiro's, which is 20% stronger. I hadn't thought of that when you made the CRT. I remembered and thought I'd write it down. Do I need a separate CRT for this?
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Uhh probably. Didn't even realise he had a durability rating lol. Too busy for CRTs rn so yeah you can do it. It's just 20% of the 6-B calc so you can use the same number on White's profile.
Apollonir.Scale
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I understand that we can apply it without opening a new CRT, so you are sure, right?
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Sorry, I meant you probably need a new CRT for this. Remember, even though I made the CRT for Xcution, it was argued that Tsukishima still scales to the full power of Byakuya. Thus, I think you need to make a CRT and explain why Yukio doesn't scale to Toshiro's full might and see if everyone agrees (IMO he shouldn't but you know how it is)
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If you don't want to make multiple CRTs, you can roll that one into another CRT as a bonus or just do it as a standalone. Alternatively, you can wait for several weeks for me to make it alongside the Toshiro-Cang Du CRT
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Anyone interested?
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Uryū Ishida vs Hendrickson (Seven Deadly Sins vs Bleach) [0-0-0]
Rules: Starting Distance: 20m Gray Demon Blood Hendrickson and Arrancar Arc Uryu are used Speed Equalized Battle takes place in a empty forest SBA for the rest Uryu: Hendrickson: Icon:
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The Goddess of Fate vs Yhwach
Pre-Final Arc Fate vs Almighty Awakened Yhwach SBA Speed equalized Who wins? Fate: Yhwach: Inconclusive: This is partly for my curiosity, and partly for the strongest list, that said if necessary, I can give Yhwach everything he can have to make this as fair as possible.
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"Q: Wonderweiss got shattered by Yamajii’s Sōkotsu, but would a strong Arrancar like the Espadas also get shattered? Would someone built with the intent of ultimately self-destructing be more fragile?
Kubo: Although not on the level of an Espada’s, Wonderweiss possesses a strong Hierro. Sōkotsu is simply super strong (Ikkotsu too)."
lol
Kubo: Although not on the level of an Espada’s, Wonderweiss possesses a strong Hierro. Sōkotsu is simply super strong (Ikkotsu too)."
lol
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Hierro is simply added durability. Durability via spiritul pressure still exist. WW can have the worst hierro of any arrancar and still have greater dura than all of them.
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Nnoitora has the strongest Hierro and Zommari has the fastest Sonido, so this probably doesn't change rankings.
All this confirms is that Wonderweiss' Hierro is not Espada level and that Sokotsu and Ikkotsu could probably paste any Espada.
All this confirms is that Wonderweiss' Hierro is not Espada level and that Sokotsu and Ikkotsu could probably paste any Espada.
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I know, I was kidding. Nnoitra would be the most durable of all of the Espada if Hierro = durability, but that's obviously not the case.
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I said this would take several weeks (and technically from the first time I said it this is several weeks ish), but I decided to do the fixes first and scaling later (hopefully after @Specterxxxx and @Apollonir.Scale do their CRTs cause the Espada changes would majorly change the scaling I've already written down and I would rather have that finished one way or another before I add the AP scaling to verse page)
Here is the sandbox, covering Toshiro, Cang and Yukio.
The Possibly versions include scaling to Sennen Hyoro, the Probably Not ones don't.
One thing I want feedback on is if I need to include all the higher in Cang Du Likely, as it looks really bad (but might be necessary)
Yukio's speed is based off the only MHS calc I know of, tell me if there's a different one that Toshiro scales to (don't link any MHS+)
CRT will come out sometime later, once I have a bit of feedback from this.
Here is the sandbox, covering Toshiro, Cang and Yukio.
The Possibly versions include scaling to Sennen Hyoro, the Probably Not ones don't.
One thing I want feedback on is if I need to include all the higher in Cang Du Likely, as it looks really bad (but might be necessary)
Yukio's speed is based off the only MHS calc I know of, tell me if there's a different one that Toshiro scales to (don't link any MHS+)
CRT will come out sometime later, once I have a bit of feedback from this.
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Also, there's some people that think the Soul Society are the bad guys. After doing all this, I know for sure the Espada and the Sternritter are the true evil, with all the ratings from multipliers and attacks like the GRC/Cero Osc multipliers and Sklav/Blut and all the forms, it's such a pain to edit. Just compare Toshiro to Cang or Ulquiorra ;-;
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I am still waiting for this calc to get accepted by a calc member staff before I can create a CRT and it's taking a lot of time for that to happen since I have posted the calc on their site almost three weeks ago.
Apollonir.Scale
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I think you should ask a mod "Can you tag some CGMs to check out this Calc?" We regular members can't tag. With a tag, they're more likely to see and rate the Calc.
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The illiterates on other forums are already tweaking about that WW hierro stuff 
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To my understanding, Hierro is just the ability to harden skin to withstand blows better. So having better Hierro just means the person can increase that hardness ratio when using the power. Wonderweiss's Hierro (or to use a theoretical example, Ichigo's Hierro if he learned how to use it) are likely proportionally worse than someone like Nnoitra's Hierro, but Nnoitra has such a vastly smaller energy pool that he can't reinforce it to the degree they can.The illiterates on other forums are already tweaking about that WW hierro stuff
Or to use an example, you fold a piece of cloth a dozen times and it can stop a bullet; but a sheet of steel folded over once can also stop the bullet due to its inherent superiority.
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Pretty much.
They should also accept that Nnoitra is the tankiest Arrancar and Zommari is the fastest Arrancar.The illiterates on other forums are already tweaking about that WW hierro stuff
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Surely I can finish this thread before anyone else does a Bleach CRT
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Bleach: Cang Du, Toshiro Hitsugaya and Yukio Hans Voralberna Statistics Fix
Why not I have enough time to do this thread surely Sandbox for the changes You don't need to look at the spoiler stuff in the spoilers, those are just for me personally so I don't forget. Toshiro and Cang Du Late Arrancar Arc Toshiro upgrade thread Cang Du upgrade thread Post-Timeskip...
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Yup. Nnoitra is cracked in durability for those on his level above because he have both the natural durability from reiatsu and have the best Hierro. Thanks to that, he can handle attacks above his reiatsu paygrade and not outright die. But someone with enough superior reiatsu baseline can still have more dura and outperform his reiatsu + hierro combo.
So as i said in a prior post, WW can have the shittiest hierro in history , his reiatsu and feats would still place him above most if not the entire espada in durability.
Excellence616
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Bleach: Shaking 3 Universes
Here's the feat. Here's thread where it got accepted. This thread should be simple. So problem with using Inverse Square Law for this is that it'll require solar system they're in being destroyed let alone the planet (which obviously didn't happen) . Considering that even room was unaffected...
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Bleach: Shaking 3 Universes
Here's the feat. Here's thread where it got accepted. This thread should be simple. So problem with using Inverse Square Law for this is that it'll require solar system they're in being destroyed let alone the planet (which obviously didn't happen) . Considering that even room was unaffected...
Let‘s say that thead gets accepted and the senjumaru feat gets downgraded to 4-B, wouldn’t that kinda mess with the whole Gremmy feat. I‘m pretty sure that ,part of the reason on why it got accepted as an actual feat and not an outlier, was because of the senjumaru feat being 4-A. Please correct me if i‘m wrong.
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Yes and no. It's true that Squad Zero getting this feat was why Gremmy 4-A was far easier to accept, but Gremmy's feat is one of his best while Senjumaru's is an extremely casual lowball that's just the bare minimum of what she could do. It is important to note that as far as I'm aware, Senjumaru never uses her full power. So, everyone would still scale from Gremmy.
(This is subject to change)
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Ah okay Makes sense. Thank you. Do y‘all think that the downgrade gets accepted? Their reasoning is that its Uniform shaking rather than energy spreading but i‘m almost 100% certain that there was a shockwave that traveled from the soul king palace to the wotl which should prove energy spreading. Might be wrong tho i‘m still pretty new here and not the best at scaling.
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/Shrug
I personally have no idea. I'll leave that for people who do calcs. With that in mind, the old formula was based on destruction afaik so I don't think it would be possible to use, though don't quote me on this. I'm unsure if the specific formula Floxy uses is accurate to the feat or not.
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id read a bit of the thread and gremmy being outlier bcs of “stat difference” bcs one being 4-B and 4-A is weird bcs we literally have verse going from like 7-B? to 6-B to High 6-A to 5-C and then 4-B to 4-A and even low 2-C SK (should be 2-C) so like thats honestly valid scaling, even then wasnt at one point gremmy feat argued to be 3-B? which if we assume the anime still shows galaxies would be fine? like im genuenly not seeing outlier case anymore and till now anime has been doing great
job showcasing how clear tier 4 is for the strongest around (and how yea gremmy 4-A feat is his FP and Senjumaru was more
or so casually doing this)
job showcasing how clear tier 4 is for the strongest around (and how yea gremmy 4-A feat is his FP and Senjumaru was more
or so casually doing this)
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I think people forget that Senjumaru’s feat is described as barely moving her hand in terms of effort. Whatever she scales is the ABSOLUTE bare minimum of her full power.
Her minimum being Gremmy’s displayed maximum should be fine.
Her minimum being Gremmy’s displayed maximum should be fine.
Apollonir.Scale
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I think Gremmy is stronger than Senjumaru, but for this to happen, you need to get SAFWY Zaraki at squad zero level. I was thinking of opening a CRT about this, but it seemed difficult to prove it.
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