Balthasar Gelt vs Kamen Rider Ghost

[DaReaperMan]

Speed Equal

Both high 6-B

Start 10 meters apart

Battle takes place in a skyscraper made of gold

Balthasar Gelt: 0

Kamen Rider Ghost: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[SomaKing13]

So...what exactly keeps Gelt from just turning Ghost into his latest Golden Statue?

 

[BERRIES555]

Real quick though, which version of Ghost are we using. Cause two of his 6-B keys have AE Type 1 and Nonexistent Physiology 1 and 3. Unless Warhammer Characters are capable of effecting beings like that

 

[DaReaperMan]

Real quick though, which version of Ghost are we using. Cause two of his 6-B keys have AE Type 1 and Nonexistent Physiology 1 and 3. Unless Warhammer Characters are capable of effecting beings like that

The strongest one. Because yes Warhammer Fantasy can effect those quite well

 

[BERRIES555]

Well then, Ghost doesn’t have any resistances towards transmutation. How does it work?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well then, Ghost doesn’t have any resistances towards transmutation. How does it work?

oh.

Well... he thinks and applies the concept of gold onto you. Turning you into a statue of gold

 

[BERRIES555]

Oh yeah Ghost has nothing against conceptual manipulation. Does it have a start up time and does start off like this in character or something

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh yeah Ghost has nothing against conceptual manipulation. Does it have a start up time and does start off like this in character or something

Don't think it has a start time and... well he does start with it IC

If Blackcurrant would add the big and little waaaghs to Aethyr Manipulation I could make Wurrzag and have a fair match

 

[BERRIES555]

Then I honestly don’t know what Ghost is supposed to do then

 

[DaReaperMan]

Then I honestly don’t know what Ghost is supposed to do then

Tbh I kinda was hoping Ghost had a passive or some shit that could possibly do shit to Gelt

 

[BERRIES555]

Well, Ghost does have a passive mind Hax but it only work if his opponent’s are weak willed and I’m pretty sure Gelt’s resist to Ayther already covers mind hax

 

[DaReaperMan]

Well, Ghost does have a passive mind Hax but it only work if his opponent’s are weak willed and I’m pretty sure Gelt’s resist to Ayther already covers mind hax

Very much so... also remembered Wurrzag isn't the best idea either cause supernaturaling him gets you turned into a Squig

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Well, Ghost does have a passive mind Hax but it only work if his opponent’s are weak willed and I’m pretty sure Gelt’s resist to Ayther already covers mind hax

If we are using the EoS version of Ghost, then he got pretty potent mindhax and soulhax.

Since he embodies the collective consciousness of all living beings, he can take control of Gelt's mind and soul like this.

There is also the fact that Ghost is untouchable by Specter or Necrom, both of whom can interact with abstract and nonexistent beings. In this case, their drivers allowed them to make contact with the Great Eye, but they couldn't see or touch Ghost in data state.

 

[DaReaperMan]

If we are using the EoS version of Ghost, then he got pretty potent mindhax and soulhax.

Since he embodies the collective consciousness of all living beings, he can take control of Gelt's mind and soul like this.

There is also the fact that Ghost is untouchable by Specter or Necrom, both of whom can interact with abstract and nonexistent beings. In this case, their drivers allowed them to make contact with the Great Eye, but they couldn't see or touch Ghost in data state.

Gelt's Mindhax resistance is several layers of conceptual mindhax. Everything in Aethyr Manipulation is conceptual.

We're gonna have to have Soma review this so we can know if this is a boring incon or a gelt stomp when he gets up

 

[Jamesthetaker]

I will let you decide whether this is a stomp or not, because that's all Ghost can do for now.

 

[SomaKing13]

Yeah, unfortunately all of that gets stopped by his resistances, where as basically Gelt thinks and Ghost turns into gold, so this would be a big ol' stomp, though if Ghost get's an actual physical hit in, he does insta kill Gelt cause Gelt is only 9-B physically, so i guess it all depends on if you count that as a wincon or not, if yes Gelt wins decisively and it can be added, if not it's a stomp

 

[IxaSaga2]

Got a question, how does Gelt's transforming bodies into gold interact with Ghost if Gelt's statement only referred to physical things being effected. Nothing implies that he does this conceptually, instead it's transmutation by thought. In other words, how does something get transformed into another thing if it first thing lacks existence in the first place?

 

[SomaKing13]

Got a question, how does Gelt's transforming bodies into gold interact with Ghost if Gelt's statement only referred to physical things being effected. Nothing implies that he does this conceptually, instead it's transmutation by thought. In other words, how does something get transformed into another thing if it first thing lacks existence in the first place?

because he can do it to ghosts and more importantly daemons which are abstract, non-existent beings, and by the very nature of how magic works in Warhammer it is all done through conceptual manipulation.

 

[IxaSaga2]

because he can do it to ghosts and more importantly daemons which are abstract, non-existent beings, and by the very nature of how magic works in Warhammer it is all done through conceptual manipulation.

interesting. it's a stomp then.

 

[DaReaperMan]

interesting. it's a stomp then.

I will redouble my efforts of getting Blackcurrant to update Aethyr Manipulation so I can make Wurrzag for this match!